Lifting Masks = Back to Getting Down With The Sickness

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And here's another poor vocal anti vaxxer turned into wormfood.


The guy's last tweet on the thirtieth of July:

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If only there was something that could have been done to prevent this person's death... if only...
 

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Alright, let’s get a few things straight. I am not going out of my way to infect people by not wearing a mask while being vaccinated. In fact, a lot of what I am saying is theory-testing ruthless. I have not gone to Walmart or Home Depot in weeks, and this week was when I created this theory anyway.
  • But if I am going to a Home Depot, I am only going to go maskless if it’s legal, and the store policy doesn’t say you need a mask. So unethical but not illegal, or rule-breaking.
I am also not for killing your political opponents or “throat-cutting”. We have not reached that point yet where America is in a 1930s Spain-like situation. We are not in a civil war yet.
My congressional district is also 80% vaccinated despite being republican controlled. The people who are vaccinated are the worst conservative, fascists, alt-right, and reactionaries. I have met a few of these people like when I went to a Trump rally ages ago, when I believe China was a bigger threat than the global rich, the establishments of the world, etc.
I am also not going to lead a revolution at least not by myself because I have poor verbal speaking skills.
I am also not an accelerationist. I voted, and donated to Joe Biden, and depending on how red my state is I will do it again if I determine in the general election doing so is cost-benefit-friendly.



Now then what do I believe, and I know no one will respond to this part, you will all respond to the above part. I believe in being ruthless to reach your goals. There are multiple reasons I believe this
Climate change will kill a great number of us if we don’t act on all fronts. The rich also have a chance of killing all of us when they own the factories, have private militaries, or so fore. Or at least I don’t want the US to be an even bigger corporatocracy than they are for economic, and social oppression reasons.
Think about what CEO believes. Dead collateral damage is okay if it’s legal. Look at the Elon Musk and cobalt mines in the Congo. Or Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, and Amazon delivery drivers, and warehouse workers. We must fight fire with fire, or we will be crushed by the class-consciousness, ruthless, and pragmatic rich.
Think about what a protest is. According to various national security documents. It’s fighting just below a red line. It’s fighting a war to achieve a goal, but doing so legally, and just below the line where you will be put down. That’s all it is. There’s a reason they are more aggressive towards left-winger protests than right-winger ones. We are trying to change the status quo, and the right just wants a more right-wing leadership, but still does so under capitalism. Similar boycotts, general strikes, strikes in general, unions are also useful.



I am a revolutionary democratic socialist. I have to be ruthless or in the future, I will be crushed along with the global left, and potentially the rest of America, and the world. Now I can’t do this alone, I am not a lone wolf, I know my place, but I believe in more ruthless, Machiavellian, and pragmatic actions.
What do I mean by that?
Conspiracy theories may not all be true, but it’s a tool to discredit your opposition. Look at how the right welds it. I am thinking of more than that, but I have much to learn from the more ruthless right.

Edit: sources



 
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And here's another poor vocal anti vaxxer turned into wormfood.


The guy's last tweet on the thirtieth of July:

In case Twitter takes the tweet down;

If only there was something that could have been done to prevent this person's death... if only...
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

In this case the prize was Covid and a casket.
 

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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

In this case the prize was Covid and a casket.
I believe the appropriate word is "karma".

Edit: although apparently some activist against infection control who just died was only 30, and has left three kids and a pregnant wife. Ouch. They didn't deserve that.
 
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They didn't. But he did, and their suffering lies entirely on his shoulders. But someone will be along shortly to tell us how we're responsible because we made the guy hate us enough to not get vaccinated just out of spite.
I don't think it takes any personal responsibility away from him. It's not really anyone else's fault. That doesn't mean it isn't worth considering the incentive structures that might have influenced his decisions, which includes people being jerks.
 

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Ah, doctors (and nurses) wearing lab coats in public seems like a totally logical, professional and not-at-all disingenuous ploy to ensure unearned trust from uncritical public observers.






Another one bites the dust.


"I care more about freedom than I do for your personal health."
Oops.

 
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Ah, doctors (and nurses) wearing lab coats in public seems like a totally logical, professional and not-at-all disingenuous ploy to ensure unearned trust from uncritical public observers.






Another one bites the dust.




Oops.
Proof that high education doesn't necessarily make one smart.
 

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Wtf


A Butler County judge ruled in favor of a woman last week who sought to force a hospital to administer Ivermectin — an animal dewormer that federal regulators have warned against using in COVID-19 patients — to her husband after several weeks in the ICU with the disease.

Butler County Common Pleas Judge Gregory Howard ordered West Chester Hospital, part of the University of Cincinnati network, to treat Jeffrey Smith, 51, with Ivermectin. The order, filed Aug. 23, compels the hospital to provide Smith with 30mg of Ivermectin daily for three weeks.

The drug was originally developed to deworm livestock animals before doctors began using it against parasitic diseases among humans. Several researchers won a Nobel Prize in 2015 for establishing its efficacy in humans. It’s used to treat head lice, onchocerciasis (river blindness) and others.

Both the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have warned Americans against the use of Ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a viral disease. It’s unproven as a treatment, they say, and large doses of it can be dangerous and cause serious harm. A review of available literature conducted earlier this month by the journal Nature found there’s no certainty in the available data on potential benefits of Ivermectin.

The drug has grown in popularity among conservatives, fueled by endorsements from allies of former President Donald Trump like U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc. or Fox News personalities Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity. The CDC warned reports of poisoning related to use of Ivermectin have increased threefold this year, spiking in July.

Estimated number of outpatient ivermectin prescriptions dispensed from retail pharmacies — United States, March 16, 2019–August 13, 2021. Data are from the IQVIA National Prescription Audit Weekly (NPA Weekly) database. NPA Weekly collects data from a sample of approximately 48,900 U.S. retail pharmacies, representing 92% of all retail prescription activity. Source: CDC.


Julie Smith filed the lawsuit on behalf of her husband of 24 years. He tested positive for COVID-19 July 9, was hospitalized and admitted to the ICU July 15, and was sedated and intubated and placed on a ventilator Aug. 1. He later developed a secondary infection he’s still wrestling with as of Aug. 23, court records say.

The lawsuit doesn’t mention whether Jeffrey Smith is vaccinated against COVID-19. However, overwhelming majorities of people currently hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated — data from the Ohio Department of Health shows of roughly 21,000 Ohioans hospitalized with COVID-19 since Jan. 1, only about 500 were vaccinated.

Julie Smith found Ivermectin on her own and connected with Dr. Fred Wagshul, an Ohio physician who her lawsuit identifies as “one of the foremost experts on using Ivermectin in treating COVID-19.” He prescribed the drug, and the hospital refused to administer it.

A hospital spokeswoman said she can’t comment on litigation and federal patient privacy laws prevent her from commenting on any specifics of patient care.

Smith is represented by New York attorney Ralph Lorigo, the chairman of New York’s Erie County Conservative Party, who has successfully filed one similar case against a Chicago area hospital and two more in Buffalo. He did not respond to an email or phone call.

The Ohio lawsuit makes reference to the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, a nonprofit of which Wagshul is listed as a founding physician. The organization touts Ivermectin as both a preventative and treatment for COVID-19. Its “How To Get Ivermectin” section includes prices and locations of pharmacies that will supply it, from Afghanistan to Fort Lauderdale to Pennsylvania to Sao Paulo, Brazil.

In an interview, Wagshul said the science behind Ivermectin’s use in COVID-19 patients is “irrefutable.” The CDC and FDA engaged in a “conspiracy,” he said, to block its use to protect the FDA’s emergency use authorization for COVID-19 vaccines. He said the mainstream media and social media companies have been engaging in “censorship” on Ivermectin’s merits, and that the U.S. government’s refusal to acknowledge its benefits amounts to genocide.

“If we were a country looking at another country allowing those [COVID-19] deaths daily … we would have been screaming, ‘Genocide!’” he said.

Wagshul said he had no financial interest in the sale of Ivermectin.

Dr. Leanne Chrisman-Khawam, a physician and professor at the Ohio University Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine, called the FLCCCA “snake oil salesmen.” She reviewed the association’s research on the drug’s uses and said there are some serious problems with its cited studies: many of them don’t show positive results, and those that do bear design flaws like small control groups, unaccounted for variables, non-blinded studies, not accounting for mitigations like vaccines and masking practices, and others.

“Based on evidence-based medicine and my read on this large number of small studies, I would find this very suspect, even the positive outcomes,” she said.

Several state authorities declined to comment on the matter. Cameron McNamee, a spokesman for the state Board of Pharmacy, referred inquiries to the state Medical Board, the attorney general, and the Ohio Hospital Association.

A spokesman for the state Medical Board, which licenses physicians, said its jurisdiction is over the practice of doctors and how they uphold standards of care — not lawsuits.

A spokeswoman for Attorney General Dave Yost declined comment and referred inquiries to the Board of Pharmacy and Veterinary Board.

An Ohio Hospital Association spokesman called the lawsuit “interesting” but said he’d need to confer with his legal team before commenting.

It’s unclear why the hospital didn’t mount any defense under a new law passed in the state budget this summer that grants health care providers the “freedom to decline to perform” any service which violates their “conscience,” as informed by moral, ethical or religious beliefs.

No attorney information for West Chester Hospital was available on the court docket as of Friday afternoon.
 
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Was gonna write some shit about "welcome to the USA's elected judges", but honestly the judge made the right call: imagine a less stupid scenario where a hospital refused a patient medical care because the hospital rejected the idea behind it.

(Which already happens regularly, but we don't need more court opinions backing the idea)
 
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I wonder how the hospital's liability is with that kind of thing. Like...they had a prescription so the hospital should honor that but if the person dies because of the medication they disagreed with but did it anyway...

That just feels like a legal clusterfuck regardless of what the hospital did
 
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Wtf

And when her husband dies, she'll sue the hospital for "improper treatment".
 
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So, those rope worms eh?
I was having a look through a bullshit "science" site.

Not only does it suggest ivermectin is the best covid treatment imaginable, but it performs an analysis of all the studies. Funnily enough, all the positive studies are fine, but all the studies finding it ineffective or worse for covid patients are terrible quality papers full of flaws; citations for this analysis are places like Reddit, and random websites.
 

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I mean, apparently God gave her what she wanted so IDK.

Sam: I'd rather have Covid then the Covid Vaccine.
God: Strange prayer but Ok.
Sam: I don't want this, God. Take it back.
God: WTF? Serious, what's up with you people? I don't have all day to cater to your every desire. I'm getting swamped with prayers about floods and masscres right now. It's not all about you, Lady.
 

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I mean, apparently God gave her what she wanted so IDK.

Sam: I'd rather have Covid then the Covid Vaccine.
God: Strange prayer but Ok.
Sam: I don't want this, God. Take it back.
God: WTF? Serious, what's up with you people? I don't have all day to cater to your every desire.
God moves in mysterious ways. And sometimes really fucking obvious ways, too.
 
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