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Your point is that these games are under threat. They are clearly flourishing. Gal Gun is well known as "that" kind of game

Gotta love the goalpost shift though: couple pages ago it was "feminists are influencing companies to censor these games", now it's "feminists aren't paying attention to these games"
Ah yes because people who so love to censor things so often stop the moment just the top most visible things get changed and there's no historical precedent for pushes to censor media harming small time things ever ./s

You know both can be true right? They can want games as a whole censored by only focussing on the top 1% because that's the main thing that controls the industry to an extent?

Is this something that actually happened or are you imagining somebody and then getting mad at them?
And please, something with actual engagement, not some dozen like nobody you can find taking any position on any topic
Best I've got is audio-visual hallucinations. Watched a few clips and I'm decidedly not seeing what you're seeing
Unfortunately it's only partly hyperbole.
They're most likely nobodies I've not bothered checking but it has been happening. Hell is it any surprise when Anita in the past rallied against Bayonetta?

No you wouldn't, not that it matters.
Just like every games journalist article thrust into my face by enraged gamers in the past 5 years, I'm left disappointed. Like, every promo and trailer I just pulled up could swap Batwoman's gender and change zero dialogue besides maybe pronouns. How is this your boogeyman? Because all I have left is uncharitable assumptions about your character.

EDIT:you know you can dislike something without inventing an ideological reason to justify it, right?
Ah yes thanks for telling me how I totally would have acted and not at all pulling argumental positions out of your ass there to try and reinforce the ad hominem your argument is slowly sliding further and further into being.

I mean you could change the pronouns but then it would be getting yelled at for sexism because of lines like "It will be perfect once the suit fits a man" or "I'm not having a woman take credit for my work" lol. I mean if you want to talk about uncharitable impressions of peoples character well you're kind of saying a lot about yourself here I think.

Also yes I can the issue being any dislike of the show sees people try to deflect it by "You just hate it because you're a bigot who hates women / LGBTQQIAA2+ individuals" and such elements in some media are used to create and easy way to deflect any criticism. Kind of like what you're trying to put forward here. Because I could also dislike the fact that Batwoman's weakness is Kryptonite in the show but poor writing in support of certain causes is apparently fine but not other cases.
 

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Ah yes because people who so love to censor things so often stop the moment just the top most visible things get changed and there's no historical precedent for pushes to censor media harming small time things ever ./s

You know both can be true right? They can want games as a whole censored by only focussing on the top 1% because that's the main thing that controls the industry to an extent?
Then they're doing a terrible job and are thus nothing to worry about
Unfortunately it's only partly hyperbole.
They're most likely nobodies I've not bothered checking but it has been happening. Hell is it any surprise when Anita in the past rallied against Bayonetta?
Lmao, "it must be happening, a blogger made a video 6 years ago!"

Ah yes thanks for telling me how I totally would have acted and not at all pulling argumental positions out of your ass there to try and reinforce the ad hominem your argument is slowly sliding further and further into being.

I mean you could change the pronouns but then it would be getting yelled at for sexism because of lines like "It will be perfect once the suit fits a man" or "I'm not having a woman take credit for my work" lol. I mean if you want to talk about uncharitable impressions of peoples character well you're kind of saying a lot about yourself here I think.
See, here's the problem with the "but clips I've seen" argument: I didn't see those clips. Despite what you may think, I do not actually live inside your head. Was that promos? Trailers? What?
And does that mean the entire show is woke feminist garbage? Because Stargate SG-1 fails that test
Also yes I can the issue being any dislike of the show sees people try to deflect it by "You just hate it because you're a bigot who hates women / LGBTQQIAA2+ individuals" and such elements in some media are used to create and easy way to deflect any criticism. Kind of like what you're trying to put forward here. Because I could also dislike the fact that Batwoman's weakness is Kryptonite in the show but poor writing in support of certain causes is apparently fine but not other cases.
What are those "certain causes"? Do you practice being vague or does it come naturally?
 
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Then they're doing a terrible job and are thus nothing to worry about
Not as terrible as I'd like because unfortunately some tools are listening to them and acting on it unlike past such censorship pushes where mostly the industry stuck two fingers up to puritan types

Lmao, "it must be happening, a blogger made a video 6 years ago!"
Yeh and some people are still true believers in her cause and push unfortunately.

See, here's the problem with the "but clips I've seen" argument: I didn't see those clips. Despite what you may think, I do not actually live inside your head.
Well as you said you'd looked up clips and promotional content I'm rather surprised you didn't run into them as they were part of the main series 1 promotional trailer.

What are those "certain causes"? Do you practice being vague or does it come naturally?
Well causes like modern 4th wave feminism mostly. Because can't have a female hero character unless we know for certain she is definitely totally better than a male character and men are definitely bad one way or another.
 

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Not as terrible as I'd like because unfortunately some tools are listening to them and acting on it unlike past such censorship pushes where mostly the industry stuck two fingers up to puritan types
...except for all the old banned and censored games that will become a talking point again next page, sure.

Yeh and some people are still true believers in her cause and push unfortunately.
Ahh yes, the unfalsifiable Some People working behind the scenes
Well as you said you'd looked up clips and promotional content I'm rather surprised you didn't run into them as they were part of the main series 1 promotional trailer.
No, I watched the Season promo 1 trailer, you watched the Batwoman Official Trailer Ruby Rose and apparently nothing else:

So let's take a look: needs to modify the suit, guy says the suit is "perfection", "it will be, once it fits a woman". Now, apply some of that big brain logic and reason: a combat suit isn't perfect unless it's fits it's wearer. The suit's not perfect until it fits her, plus she's, you know, Batwoman
Second line apparently proving 4th wave feminist ideology: "They think I'm Batman. I'm not letting a man take credit for a woman's work".
Because she's Batwoman, not Batman. It's a wordplay joke and assertion of identity.
Well causes like modern 4th wave feminism mostly. Because can't have a female hero character unless we know for certain she is definitely totally better than a male character and men are definitely bad one way or another.
Is this in a different trailer or...? Because, like, Batman's cool but missing and the main antagonist is apparently a lady. The private security force run by a dude gets beat up because otherwise there'd be no show. The Crows are playing the role of Gotham PD, organization run by a dude that routinely gets punked by bad guys, though it's not some feminist argument then for reasons, I'm sure
 
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...except for all the old banned and censored games that will become a talking point again next page, sure.
You know you don't have to make my argument for me that there are instances of games getting censored already right but they don't count for some reason.

Ahh yes, the unfalsifiable Some People working behind the scenes
OK so would you care to offer an alternative explanation for why people are cheering for the potential censorship of Bayonetta 3?

No, I watched the Season promo 1 trailer, you watched the Batwoman Official Trailer Ruby Rose and apparently nothing else:

So let's take a look: needs to modify the suit, guy says the suit is "perfection", "it will be, once it fits a woman". Now, apply some of that big brain logic and reason: a combat suit isn't perfect unless it's fits it's wearer. The suit's not perfect until it fits her, plus she's, you know, Batwoman
Second line apparently proving 4th wave feminist ideology: "They think I'm Batman. I'm not letting a man take credit for a woman's work".
Because she's Batwoman, not Batman. It's a wordplay joke and assertion of identity.
Is this in a different trailer or...? Because, like, Batman's cool but missing and the main antagonist is apparently a lady. The private security force run by a dude gets beat up because otherwise there'd be no show. The Crows are playing the role of Gotham PD, organization run by a dude that routinely gets punked by bad guys, though it's not some feminist argument then for reasons, I'm sure
Or it's not perfect because a woman isn't wearing it / wasn't wearing it and the second bit being a talking point about how men always steal the credit for women's work which is a thing brought up as a grievance fairly often by 4th wave feminist types. Because sure it totally makes sense you'd want to be doing vigilante work and make sure you got the credit not merely be doing good an helping people.

On a kinda of funny relate note Alice is kind of a new villain somewhat linked to (but as far as I'm aware never actually acknowledged to be) in the show. A Male villain whom for some reason they decided to have Alice be a reference too but never actually become part of the show. Just a weird point.
 

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You know you don't have to make my argument for me that there are instances of games getting censored already right but they don't count for some reason.
Whether or not they "count" seems to fluctuate on a page by page basis as your arguments require.

OK so would you care to offer an alternative explanation for why people are cheering for the potential censorship of Bayonetta 3?
Never seen it. Pretty sure you're making it up.
Or it's not perfect because a woman isn't wearing it / wasn't wearing it and the second bit being a talking point about how men always steal the credit for women's work which is a thing brought up as a grievance fairly often by 4th wave feminist types. Because sure it totally makes sense you'd want to be doing vigilante work and make sure you got the credit not merely be doing good an helping people.
...She is literally talking about herself in the context of the TV show that is about her. Like, you get that Batman was also concerned with making a statement, criminals being a superstitious and cowardly lot and all. But sure, I guess that was okay that he wanted to make sure he got the credit instead of merely doing good and helping people. It's only bad when she does it.
On a kinda of funny relate note Alice is kind of a new villain somewhat linked to Mad Hatter(but as far as I'm aware never actually acknowledged to be) in the show. A Male villain whom for some reason they decided to have Alice be a reference too but never actually become part of the show. Just a weird point.
Pretty sure that sentence is missing a few words, so I added them in underlined. Might want to watch some more trailers in lieu of watching the show you're judging. Might find that the plot has advanced over the past 2 seasons, going into season 3
 

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Whether or not they "count" seems to fluctuate on a page by page basis as your arguments require.
No that would be if your arguments require or not normally along the lines of either
Well AAA games aren't being banned
or
Well those games were censored or banned but these others exist so it's fine there is totally no campaign against sexy content in games

Never seen it. Pretty sure you're making it up.
Well when you refuse to look or don't want to find things it's easy not to find it.

...She is literally talking about herself in the context of the TV show that is about her. Like, you get that Batman was also concerned with making a statement, criminals being a superstitious and cowardly lot and all. But sure, I guess that was okay that he wanted to make sure he got the credit instead of merely doing good and helping people. It's only bad when she does it.
Except kind of the point of the suit and the costume is to disguise who is in it somewhat. Why care about building a rep when "The Batman he's back" would be a pretty damn good rep to start with while "It's some chick cosplaying as Batman" would probably have thugs more willing to have a go because they know you're not "The real Batman" as such.

Pretty sure that sentence is missing a few words, so I added them in underlined. Might want to watch some more trailers in lieu of watching the show you're judging. Might find that the plot has advanced over the past 2 seasons, going into season 3
Yeh I oddly just saw the Season 3 trailer and they chose to bring him in / bring him back.

Still it's very much a show that seems to have plenty of issues writing wise just from what I've seen and a lot of tell don't show stuff. Also little idea of subtlety.
 

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No that would be if your arguments require or not normally along the lines of either
Well AAA games aren't being banned
or
Well those games were censored or banned but these others exist so it's fine there is totally no campaign against sexy content in games
I mean, A) they aren't and B) you tried selling a 16 year old game with child pornography in it as unjustly banned. There's lots of healthy diversity of thought happening around games, but portray a micro bikini being changed into a regular bikini by the studio as some kind of nefarious, organized outside campaign and I'm gonna laugh. Maybe a blogger made a case and a dev went, "yeah, seems legit", maybe a publisher didn't want to be known for cringy sex scenes, maybe a platform didn't want to have games on its platform where you take up skirt screenshots of high school girls.

You are catastrophizing lots of little independent decisions and deciding it's one major organized thing
Well when you refuse to look or don't want to find things it's easy not to find it.
Twitter loads 200 tweets at a time. Maybe both my "Top Tweet" search and "Recent" search for Bayonetta 3 just missed them, but right now I'm batting zero out of 400. What you got?
Except kind of the point of the suit and the costume is to disguise who is in it somewhat. Why care about building a rep when "The Batman he's back" would be a pretty damn good rep to start with while "It's some chick cosplaying as Batman" would probably have thugs more willing to have a go because they know you're not "The real Batman" as such.
Oh man, I can only imagine the epic shit fit weird nerds would be throwing if they "turned Batman into a girl". You really have no idea how any of this works, huh
Yeh I oddly just saw the Season 3 trailer and they chose to bring him in / bring him back.

Still it's very much a show that seems to have plenty of issues writing wise just from what I've seen and a lot of tell don't show stuff. Also little idea of subtlety.
CW's always been as subtle as a brick, we're talking about the supposed feminist ideology, remember? Maybe the show's writing works better in 42 minute episodes instead of one minute promotional trailers.

Just a thought
 

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Where's that happening? Everyone seems to be creaming their pants over her here.
So far I've found 2 complaints:
1) Weird nerds complaining that the game that Nintendo exclusively funded is a Nintendo exclusive
and
2) Fair number of people wondering why they changed the english voice actress for the Bayonetta in the trailer.
 
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I mean, A) they aren't and B) you tried selling a 16 year old game with child pornography in it as unjustly banned. There's lots of healthy diversity of thought happening around games, but portray a micro bikini being changed into a regular bikini by the studio as some kind of nefarious, organized outside campaign and I'm gonna laugh. Maybe a blogger made a case and a dev went, "yeah, seems legit", maybe a publisher didn't want to be known for cringy sex scenes, maybe a platform didn't want to have games on its platform where you take up skirt screenshots of high school girls.
A) Yes they are
B) No I tried pointing it out as an example of the games that were being made in the past and worthy of putting in context she lied about her age saying she was 18 to take part in the thing
C) Or Sony didn't want a character to be seen on the cover scandalously showing ankle or silly options like Boob bounce sliders (meaning you actually couldn't set it to 0 either)
D) Some games have just entirely been refused Playstation releases.

You are catastrophizing lots of little independent decisions and deciding it's one major organized thing
So why do the same names and ideas keep ending up connected with so much?

Twitter loads 200 tweets at a time. Maybe both my "Top Tweet" search and "Recent" search for Bayonetta 3 just missed them, but right now I'm batting zero out of 400. What you got?
A few and growing.
 

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Oh man, I can only imagine the epic shit fit weird nerds would be throwing if they "turned Batman into a girl". You really have no idea how any of this works, huh
Yes the Batwoman licence was cheaper and on offer unlike the Batman Licence and being connected to it the CW saw potential profits. Hell the first appearance of Batman in the Arrowverse they had him and an alternative earth villain lol. Who Batwoman had to kill

CW's always been as subtle as a brick, we're talking about the supposed feminist ideology, remember? Maybe the show's writing works better in 42 minute episodes instead of one minute promotional trailers.

Just a thought
Nah I've watched a fair bit of Supergirl, the CW manages just as badly given 42 minutes. Worth pointing out how they changed Kara's sister to be a Lesbian when they took over the show when previously she had a sort of thing with Maxwell Lord (Arrowverse Maxwell Lord is basically somewhat paranoid Elon Musk), oh and they entirely erased the whole thing she had with him and pretended it never happened. Also removed Cat Grant because the character was being used as a mouthpiece by certain writers to object to some of the more woke ideas but using 3rd wave Feminist logic to basically call stuff out.
 

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See now part of the issue was the changes were made because people couldn't get over it.
So, let's address what should be incredibly obvious yet somehow isn't.

Final Fantasy VII is a commercial product made and published by Square Enix. The artists and creative people who work on it are not solo artists motivated by a desire to realise their own personal vision, they're employees who have been hired to deliver that product in accordance with the needs and demands of the corporation. If they weren't being paid by, and thus under obligation to, Square Enix they would not even be allowed to touch the intellectual property.

Even taking at face value the idea that there is some nefarious shadowy ethics body somewhere in Square Enix who are responsible for the unforgivable and borderline criminal decision to put a character in a bra you don't like for part of a game, those people are just another part of Square Enix. They are part of the company that funds the game and owns the subsidiary that makes the game. If this sinister feminist cabal have the ability to affect creative decisions, it's because the company gave them that ability. Even if we take the extremely naïve assumption that they are enforcing an actual political or ethical stance, that is only possible because they have demonstrated the value of that political stance to the company or otherwise obtained sufficient trust to justify that level of control. Square Enix is a corporation that makes and publishes video games. They are not your friends. They do not care about art. They do not care about ethics. They do not care about women or their boobs, and they certainly don't care about you. They care about money. Any creative decision, or artistic decision made by a corporation will be taken based on the perceived financial interests of the corporation, that is all that matters, at the end of the day.

In a capitalist economic system, artistic integrity is something you have to pay for. The artists and creative people who make the products you consume have no say in what they produce because they don't pay the bills, the corporation pays the bills. You seem to find the idea of a corporation deciding to change a product created by people it pays and whose labour it owns strange or remarkable for some reason, when in fact it's entirely normal. You also seem to believe that corporations with enormous marketing and communications divisions are less aware of who their audience is than you are.

I mean, congratulations on realising how much capitalism sucks I guess, but this seems like a very weird hill to die on. I mean, if you want any indication of the effectiveness of propaganda, ask yourself why it is that the world you live in is slowly reverting to feudalism and drifting towards ecological collapse, and you're worried about whether a fictional woman is wearing the wrong bra. How does that even happen?
 

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They're not using the hashtag for the game try it without the hash
I never search with hashtags and I'm 0/400. Even tried adding "woke" and "broke" in and still nothing. Did find 2 people complaining about hypothetical internet puritans, but they didn't link anything either. I do have a few morons blocked, but if that's all it takes to cut out literally all of this argument, then it's nothing.
A) Yes they are
B) No I tried pointing it out as an example of the games that were being made in the past and worthy of putting in context she lied about her age saying she was 18 to take part in the thing
C) Or Sony didn't want a character to be seen on the cover scandalously showing ankle or silly options like Boob bounce sliders (meaning you actually couldn't set it to 0 either)
D) Some games have just entirely been refused Playstation releases.
A) Banned AAA games is news to me
B) Unwitting child pornography is still child pornography
C) Or they wanted to be able to put the game on GameStop's shelves instead of holding them behind the counter. Actual real world thing I ran into
D) And? A platform isn't required to house a game, welcome to capitalism
So why do the same names and ideas keep ending up connected with so much?
No idea what you're talking about
A few and growing.
I'm still batting zero and I've been actively searching
 

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I wouldn't really say Lady D counts so much as a femme fatale / sexy seductress type she's more a monster woman in the Resident Evil tradition of monster male characters.
I also said sexualized villainesses, as in female villains who don't act seductive but are still sexualized in design. It isn't like she's a monster for most of the game.

Sindel maybe but she's hardly that new.
Her characterization in MK 11 certainly is.



That the series saw a decline?

Happens with plenty of stuff especially as the first film was pushed a lot more heavily and was released on Valentines day I think it was.
You're acting like it was some major success in the first place. It was a critical punching bag which, unlike the Twilight movies, couldn't justify its existence by pulling in large amounts of cash. If the only reason the first movie barely avoided being a flop was due to being released on Valentine's Day, that should tell you how much appeal it actually had.

I mean Megan Fox has done some other stuff recently.
Yeah, stuff which focuses less on using her for T and A and more on actually showing that she can act.

The Baywatch movie flopped in part because it was marketed as almost a buddy cop comedy action film lol.
Which also happened to feature a cast full of attractive people in swim wear. And it still flopped, despite having Dwayne Johnson in it.

You still need a decent film to go with the sex appeal but the sex appeal will add to a film but it won't hold the film up on it's own.
In other words, its completely superfluous. Thanks for proving my point.

Also there very much has been a toning down in films in fairly recent years.

Did you actually watch this video? It isn't just about sex and nudity being toned down. Hell, most of it is talking about lack of violence and swearing or how R-rated movies are viewed as too risky.
 

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So again you're mostly referring to OPTIONAL outfit options not their main looks. So you're objection is to the optional looks that aren't realistic but only the women?
Why're you so laser-focused on the fact that I posted some optional outfits? Is something automatically non-sexualised if it's optional? How does that work?

But that aside, let's look at her main outfit, then;

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So, we've got... a wildly impractical short skirt, huge pumps & leather straps, and she's wearing a choker with a leash-ring on it. Oh yeah, very practical!
 
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Because you have to base it on something and so yes you are comparing to real life even if you don't want to admit it or you can claim everything is sexist compared to the image in your head of a martial arts Nun in full habit (actually a thing that existed)
Why do I need to "base it on" a real-world counterpart? Why is that necessary?

Let's apply your logic elsewhere. I also dislike the handling of the ships in Star Fox Zero. Hell, most people didn't like that. But.... interplanetary fighter ships don't exist IRL, so I have nothing to compare it to! So, going by your rationale, I cannot criticise the handling, because I don't have a... real world counterpart to compare it to?!

See what complete drivel that requirement is?

So you're arguing the handling can be slightly off and some power ups overpowered in the Mario Platformer games because of Mario Kart?
😂 This is such a bollocks argument, I'm stunned even you can't see it.

Funnily enough, the presentation of a character is something that is shared across both games.

Criticism is with the intend of getting change be that via co-operation or forcing the change one way or another.
Yep, I hope that in future, designers opt to make less sexualised designs for female characters in general. I hope criticism plays some part in convincing them of this.

Huh! No force involved, no banning, no nothing-- just criticism, of the same kind that has existed since the advent of art.


They do have to do with what you say if you'd think through what you're arguing fully as yet it would include or involved what I'm saying.
Prove it. You've made the ridiculous connection between something I said and something I didn't.

Show how they're connected. Show how criticising an artist's decision to make a character a certain way implies that the artist doesn't want to do it in the first place.
 
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Why're you so laser-focused on the fact that I posted some optional outfits? Is something automatically non-sexualised if it's optional? How does that work?

But that aside, let's look at her main outfit, then;

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So, we've got... a wildly impractical short skirt, huge pumps & leather straps, and she's wearing a choker with a leash-ring on it. Oh yeah, very practical!
Fun fact: According to some fans, this character, who is Swedish, was created as a personal "fuck you" to Sweden for banning Dead or Alive Dimensions because the game technically classified as child pornography.
 

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So, let's address what should be incredibly obvious yet somehow isn't.

Final Fantasy VII is a commercial product made and published by Square Enix. The artists and creative people who work on it are not solo artists motivated by a desire to realise their own personal vision, they're employees who have been hired to deliver that product in accordance with the needs and demands of the corporation. If they weren't being paid by, and thus under obligation to, Square Enix they would not even be allowed to touch the intellectual property.

Even taking at face value the idea that there is some nefarious shadowy ethics body somewhere in Square Enix who are responsible for the unforgivable and borderline criminal decision to put a character in a bra you don't like for part of a game, those people are just another part of Square Enix. They are part of the company that funds the game and owns the subsidiary that makes the game. If this sinister feminist cabal have the ability to affect creative decisions, it's because the company gave them that ability. Even if we take the extremely naïve assumption that they are enforcing an actual political or ethical stance, that is only possible because they have demonstrated the value of that political stance to the company or otherwise obtained sufficient trust to justify that level of control. Square Enix is a corporation that makes and publishes video games. They are not your friends. They do not care about art. They do not care about ethics. They do not care about women or their boobs, and they certainly don't care about you. They care about money. Any creative decision, or artistic decision made by a corporation will be taken based on the perceived financial interests of the corporation, that is all that matters, at the end of the day.

In a capitalist economic system, artistic integrity is something you have to pay for. The artists and creative people who make the products you consume have no say in what they produce because they don't pay the bills, the corporation pays the bills. You seem to find the idea of a corporation deciding to change a product created by people it pays and whose labour it owns strange or remarkable for some reason, when in fact it's entirely normal. You also seem to believe that corporations with enormous marketing and communications divisions are less aware of who their audience is than you are.

I mean, congratulations on realising how much capitalism sucks I guess, but this seems like a very weird hill to die on. I mean, if you want any indication of the effectiveness of propaganda, ask yourself why it is that the world you live in is slowly reverting to feudalism and drifting towards ecological collapse, and you're worried about whether a fictional woman is wearing the wrong bra. How does that even happen?
You forget there are more ways than trust or perceived value to convince people to take action. Fear can be a good motivator too though generally it's use is pretty looked down on for good reason. It's fairly easy to make a big company somewhat scared these days or at least executives.

Also I'd probably say it's not the best argument to ignore artistic value or freedom in favour of the corporation.

As far as being unaware of their audience well I refer you to the Jimquisitions "Perfect Pasta Sauce" and "Damn fine Coffee". It's easy to fool corporations who chase money especially in gaming.

Single Player games were dead remember?
How about how no-one wanted to play horror games and that's why companies stopped making them or tried to shift all their horror franchises to be action ones?

As far as why I'm worried about fictional women's look and not [inset bigger problems in the world] I can make far more of a difference even if still not that much of one on this issue than others. It's a fallacy of relative privation to pull the "there are larger issues" not least because having had education in the specific area of environmental management and sustainability I've got a clear enough picture of the world at present on a number of levels to be able to say take the time to enjoy things because even with drastic changes things may well not get better.