A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

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Does anyone know if people can just ignore subpoenas without any repercussions? Cause it seems like that's what perpetrators like Bannon and co have been doing so far.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Further expanding its probe, the U.S. House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection has issued subpoenas to six additional associates of former President Donald Trump who were closely involved in his efforts to overturn his defeat in the 2020 election.

The committee’s chairman, Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson, said in a statement Monday that the panel is demanding testimony and documents from former Trump campaign officials and others who participated in a “war room” ahead of the siege and strategized about how to halt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory.

Thompson said the committee had issued new subpoenas to Bill Stepien, manager of Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign; Jason Miller, a senior adviser to the campaign; Angela McCallum, national executive assistant to the campaign; John Eastman, a lawyer who advised the former president; Michael Flynn, a former national security adviser to Trump who talked with Trump ahead of the insurrection; and Bernard Kerik, who the committee says paid for hotel rooms that served as command centers ahead of Jan. 6.


“In the days before the January 6th attack, the former president’s closest allies and advisers drove a campaign of misinformation about the election and planned ways to stop the count of Electoral College votes,” Thompson said. “The Select Committee needs to know every detail about their efforts to overturn the election, including who they were talking to in the White House and in Congress, what connections they had with rallies that escalated into a riot, and who paid for it all.”

The subpoenas come after the panel has already demanded documents and testimony from several other Trump advisers — some who have cooperated and some who have not. The House voted last month to hold longtime Trump ally Steve Bannon in contempt after he refused to comply with his subpoena. Trump himself is fighting the probe in court.

The rioters who violently pushed back police to break into the Capitol and interrupt the electoral count repeated Trump’s false claims of widespread fraud, and the committee says the six newly subpoenaed witnesses helped amplify the misinformation in the days ahead of the attack. Trump’s false claims came as election officials and courts across the country verified Biden’s win, and as his own attorney general said there was no evidence of significant fraud.

Thompson says in the letters to the Trump associates that the panel has uncovered “credible evidence” of their participation in the former president’s efforts to overturn the election and cites ways that they individually tried to further his cause.


In Stepien’s subpoena, Thompson cites the testimony of an unnamed witness in saying he oversaw the “conversion” of Trump’s presidential campaign to a “Stop the Steal” effort. In letters to Miller and McCallum, Thompson cites specific efforts to spread the false claims, including a phone call from McCallum to an unidentified Michigan state legislator asking if the Trump campaign could “count on” them and urging the person to push for the appointment of new state electors.

Thompson detailed several efforts by Eastman, a lawyer and professor, to persuade Vice President Mike Pence to try to overturn the election as he presided over the congressional certification — a power Pence did not legally have. Thompson also cites Eastman’s outreach to states, including a briefing to state legislators, and his participation in the so-called “war room” at the Willard Hotel where he, Bannon, Kerik and others strategized ahead of the siege about how to overturn Trump’s defeat.

Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner who was pardoned by Trump after serving time in prison for tax fraud and other charges, responded to his subpoena with a lengthy statement on Monday evening. He said that he “was not hired to overturn the will of the people, only to look into the integrity of the process” and that his focus after the election was on “looking for evidence,” not public relations.

“As to the events of January 6th, I was not involved,” he said.

The others contacted by The Associated Press did not respond to requests for comment.

In the letter to Flynn — the former national security adviser who twice pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and was also pardoned by Trump — Thompson cited a December Oval Office meeting with the then-president. Citing media reports, Thompson said Flynn and other participants “discussed seizing voting machines, declaring a national emergency, invoking certain national security emergency powers and continuing to spread the message that the Nov. 2020 election had been tainted by widespread fraud.”

The panel is working with other close Trump advisers to gain testimony, including former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and administration aides Kashyap Patel and Dan Scavino. Members of the committee said they have been “engaging” with those witnesses but may move to hold them in contempt, as well, if they don’t comply soon.

Trump’s own opposition has prompted some of his advisors, including Bannon, to say they can’t speak publicly about their roles. The former president’s lawsuit argues that he can assert executive privilege, or a presidential claim to keep some information private, in an effort to block the government from releasing a tranche of internal White House documents to the panel. The committee has argued that privilege doesn’t apply.

President Biden has so far waived executive privilege on nearly all the documents that the committee has asked for, citing the panel’s need to investigate the violent attack.

In his subpoena to Eastman, Thompson sought to preemptively attack any attorney-client privilege that he may attempt to cite to avoid testifying. The letter noted that Eastman has already “made extensive public comments” regarding his legal advice and direct discussions with Trump.

Former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, who aligned himself with Trump’s efforts to overturn the election as other department leaders pushed back, appeared for a deposition on Friday but declined to cooperate, presenting the committee with a letter saying he would not answer questions based on Trump’s assertions of privilege, including in the ongoing court case.

Thompson said afterward that he had rejected the claims of privilege and said Clark “has a very short time” to reconsider and cooperate.

The committee has already interviewed more than 150 people across government, social media and law enforcement, including some former Trump aides who have been cooperative. The panel has subpoenaed more than 20 witnesses total, and most of them, including several associates who helped plan the massive “Stop the Steal” rally the morning of the 6th, have signaled they will cooperate.
 
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Consequences? In my government?
That's what Im wondering here. What's his endgame? He told Congress to go sit and spin, and what, expected them to just roll over and leave him alone? Did he not think they'd actually do this, or is there some ace up his sleeve, like a get-out-of-jail card? I get he's brazen, but Trump isn't president and won't be for a few more years yet. So Im not getting what's going on here.
Steven Banon isn't an idiot. He's ruthlessly smart, and yet he's just sitting there going:
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"We're the House select panel. We're voting for contempt of Congress charges"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"We're sending the charges over to the full House"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"Federal Law Enforcement has decided to go forward with the charges"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"A federal grand jury has issued an indictment for your arrest."
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"

It just seems like he's purposefully baiting them and has some escape planned.
 

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That's what Im wondering here. What's his endgame? He told Congress to go sit and spin, and what, expected them to just roll over and leave him alone? Did he not think they'd actually do this, or is there some ace up his sleeve, like a get-out-of-jail card? I get he's brazen, but Trump isn't president and won't be for a few more years yet. So Im not getting what's going on here.
Steven Banon isn't an idiot. He's ruthlessly smart, and yet he's just sitting there going:
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"We're the House select panel. We're voting for contempt of Congress charges"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"We're sending the charges over to the full House"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"Federal Law Enforcement has decided to go forward with the charges"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"A federal grand jury has issued an indictment for your arrest."
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"

It just seems like he's purposefully baiting them and has some escape planned.
Or he wants to become a matyr or something? Hoping for some kind of Ruby Ridge to "rally the troops".
 

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In case it wasn't obvious before, Trump is fucking delusional and likely a sociopath as well. It sounds like he truly believes he was "robbed" of a 2nd term, which implies he needs a mental health specialist or he's truly high on his own supply.

Millions of idiots will still fucking vote for him in 2024 because he clearly wouldn't fuck them over like he did his VP(or anyone else who has ever trusted him). Except when he does and they'll just make excuses for him.
 
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That's what Im wondering here. What's his endgame? He told Congress to go sit and spin, and what, expected them to just roll over and leave him alone? Did he not think they'd actually do this, or is there some ace up his sleeve, like a get-out-of-jail card? I get he's brazen, but Trump isn't president and won't be for a few more years yet. So Im not getting what's going on here.
Steven Banon isn't an idiot. He's ruthlessly smart, and yet he's just sitting there going:
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"We're the House select panel. We're voting for contempt of Congress charges"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"We're sending the charges over to the full House"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"Federal Law Enforcement has decided to go forward with the charges"
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"
"A federal grand jury has issued an indictment for your arrest."
"Oh yeah? You and what army?"

It just seems like he's purposefully baiting them and has some escape planned.
I mean, I've heard the army is so femininism now it clearly wouldnt be able to do anything
 

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There are a lot more hurdles to pass before the possibility of Bannon seeing consequences, and he still has a few easy options available including just buggering off to another country beforehand. But was not expecting the bare minimum of enforcing subpoenas tbh.

Anyway, yet more eye-opening revelations...



 
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It just seems like he's purposefully baiting them and has some escape planned.
Every time they refuse, a whole load of legal hoops need to be jumped through to get them to testify.

If they all do this, they heavily delay the investigation. The investigation needs to be done by November 2022, because in those elections the Democrats may lose the House, in which case the new Republican majority will simply shut the investigation down. So if they delay long enough, at least some of them may not have testify and they can deny the investigation information.
 

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In case it wasn't obvious before, Trump is fucking delusional and likely a sociopath as well. It sounds like he truly believes he was "robbed" of a 2nd term, which implies he needs a mental health specialist or he's truly high on his own supply.
I'm not sure on this. Some people can convince themselves of untruth, but others are just consummate liars.
 

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...by November 2022, because in those elections the Democrats may lose the House...
Oh, you can rest assured Democrats are losing the House -- likely, Senate too -- in 2022. That alone has very little if anything to do with whether or not someone has the opinion Democrats are doing a good job. Midterms never favor the incumbent party, midterms always have lower turnout which always favors the more conservative party, voter suppression is bigger than ever, and this year's gerrymandering is going to wreak havoc on any potential Democratic majority. It'll be worse from 2021-2030, than it was 2011-2020.

The election as referendum on Biden's and Congressional Democrats' job performance...well, that'll be the difference between Republican majorities, and Republican super-majorities. Democrats sure as shit aren't doing themselves any favors telling young voters, poor voters, black voters, and immigrant voters to fuck themselves sideways right now.
 

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Democrats sure as shit aren't doing themselves any favors telling young voters, poor voters, black voters, and immigrant voters to fuck themselves sideways right now.
You mean the thing they've done since the moment Obama took office and the "yes we can" speeches turned into throwing money at banks? That's not new.
 

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Oh, you can rest assured Democrats are losing the House -- likely, Senate too -- in 2022. That alone has very little if anything to do with whether or not someone has the opinion Democrats are doing a good job. Midterms never favor the incumbent party, midterms always have lower turnout which always favors the more conservative party, voter suppression is bigger than ever, and this year's gerrymandering is going to wreak havoc on any potential Democratic majority. It'll be worse from 2021-2030, than it was 2011-2020.
I was having a look at some of the redrawn constituency boundaries. They're not really any worse than has been evident in the past, of course, but they are such patently abusive manipulations it beggars belief your country can allow the practice to stand.