SCOTUS leak suggests Roe v. Wade to be overturned

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SilentPony

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Already provided examples my dude, blow it out your ass
Missourian here. We're really fucking weird. Lots of Catholics in the cities, and those creepy protestant cults in the rural parts. Never go into rural Missouri without a full Inquisitorial purgation army. They're really fucking creepy.
 

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Because that's what MysteriousGX is doing. The argument being presented was if a parent could be required to donate blood to a child, why isn't literally everyone required to do that? GX "would make people go in for blood transfusions and organ donations as necessary."
So I take it from this that you acknowledge that its not actually communism, and only made that statement to... point out the faulty reasoning that someone else used in a completely different strand of conversation?
 

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You all say there's systemic racism (which I agree there is) meaning that minorities have an economic disadvantage in generational wealth meaning they have less money to buy a home or buy/rent a business. Thus, places with lower home prices give minorities more economic opportunities.
If house prices existed in a complete vacuum, and you eliminated all other factors of society, this might hold some water.

I mean, still not much.
 

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If house prices existed in a complete vacuum, and you eliminated all other factors of society, this might hold some water.

I mean, still not much.
The hilarious part of this thread of conversation is that tstorm actually managed to dredge up some coverage of black people moving down south, and it sure as fuck isn't about housing prices. But it's a source, and pheonix doesn't read those
 

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So I take it from this that you acknowledge that its not actually communism, and only made that statement to... point out the faulty reasoning that someone else used in a completely different strand of conversation?
Well, a strawman of it, anyway. I *don't* actually want that, but if the end goal is to save lives then making only certain people be forced to donate their body and not others is a weird decision, and if the goal isn't actually saving lives then it's kinda fucked to force certain people to donate their body
 
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I'm not aware that family structure is really part of Marxist dogma at all.

Marxists have criticised the "nuclear family" construct on a number of bases, none of which are fundamentally opposed to the idea of two parents bringing up their biological children. The major issue is more that the family unit can be used to convey forms of privilege (e.g. inheritance of wealth), and that it has been manipulated by capitalism via notions of competition and consumption beneficial to the capitalist class rather than themselves.
Engels and other Marxists do have a lot to say about the family, but I would agree that their project is generally more descriptive and predictive than prescriptive.

One of the reasons why you can tell Jordan Peterson is lying about Marxist Post-Modernists is that
Marxists are usually interested in keeping family structures, they just dont care about forcing women to do all the housework like a US 'capitalist."
Post-Modern question everything, including if the current view of family structures are useful
Well...

Especially the early Soviet Union was interested in experimenting with the family code, but tstorm823 proposed a definition of "traditional family" that is so broad that anything outside it would almost by necessity not have appeared in the Soviet Union. Even if they were doing some really funky stuff which, I suppose in the view of tstorm823, they would have been (the Soviet Union was far ahead of the United States when it came to women's rights, including but certainly not limited to abortion; they legalized it, outlawed it, then legalized it again decades before Roe v. Wade). But they never abolished the family or whatever; the early view of the Soviet Union was that rigid family structures would eventually wither away naturally.
 

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Yep, you know if neither side of an argument is perfectly happy with your suggestion you've struck a reasonable middle-ground.
Just gonna point out that Roe WAS the middle ground. Like RIGHT in the middle
 

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Just gonna point out that Roe WAS the middle ground. Like RIGHT in the middle
It was that in like the 70s but we can all acknowledge that the republicans and even the country in general has moved more to the right in the elapsing time so it no longer is in the middle ground any more. Like Reagan instituted amnesty for the mexicans, now they wanna deport em or shoot em or what have you.
 

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My argument is that nobody should be legally required to, your argument is that it is *legally murder* if specific people don't, but perfectly okay if others don't, despite the outcome being the same.
I never said murder. Not all homicide is murder. Otherwise yes, with the note that those specific people are the parents.
Already provided examples my dude, blow it out your ass
There is another user that just posts tweets from random accounts as evidence. That user is currently arguing that the war in Ukraine isn't really Putin's fault. Don't become him.

Since you're probably totally unaware of what is happening there, almost none of those tweets are actually talking about real things going on right now. Like "Missouri is joining Louisiana..." Missouri isn't doing anything atm, they have a trigger law to ban abortion should Roe be overturned, which it hasn't. And contraceptives are probably not even specifically mentioned in it, they're just choosing the most extreme interpretation of banning abortion.

The Marsha Blackburn one is a real head scratcher. As best I can tell, they somehow managed to infer from her questioning the Supreme Court ruling that allowed contraceptives only for married couples that she wanted contraceptives for only married couples.

The Arizona GOP candidate did not propose a condom ban. He actually says "I don't support a state law or federal law that would ban or restrict contraception — period,". He just also doesn't like the way the Supreme Court settled that issue.

And then the McConnell one is just the truth. If Roe were overturned, abortion bans will be "possible". He was asked some loaded questions about if Roe is overturned and they win the senate would he eliminate the filibuster to ban abortion nationwide, and he basically answered that it isn't something anyone is talking about. "Possible" was the most damning quote they could milk out of him, and frankly, if he said "no, federal abortion regulations would be impossible with Roe gone" he'd just be lying to you.

There is a dedicated effort right now to make you think Republicans are rushing through all sorts of nonsense to try and energize Democrats to vote in the fall. It's pretty much all lies. Do not believe any Twitter post that seems upsetting. Ever. From anyone. Get another source, one with details.
 

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So I take it from this that you acknowledge that its not actually communism, and only made that statement to... point out the faulty reasoning that someone else used in a completely different strand of conversation?
I was trying to make that user understand that they were using the specific reasoning of fringe political beliefs, and not some universal standard that everyone accepts. Of course, brick walls don't often change their mind, so certainly a lost cause there.
 

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It was that in like the 70s but we can all acknowledge that the republicans and even the country in general has moved more to the right in the elapsing time so it no longer is in the middle ground any more. Like Reagan instituted amnesty for the mexicans, now they wanna deport em or shoot em or what have you.
The country hasn't moved as far as you think. The majority still support abortion rights and other progressive policies. It's just that our government is set up in such a way that the minority can easily overrule the majority.
 

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I never said murder. Not all homicide is murder. Otherwise yes, with the note that those specific people are the parents.

There is another user that just posts tweets from random accounts as evidence. That user is currently arguing that the war in Ukraine isn't really Putin's fault. Don't become him.

Since you're probably totally unaware of what is happening there, almost none of those tweets are actually talking about real things going on right now. Like "Missouri is joining Louisiana..." Missouri isn't doing anything atm, they have a trigger law to ban abortion should Roe be overturned, which it hasn't. And contraceptives are probably not even specifically mentioned in it, they're just choosing the most extreme interpretation of banning abortion.

The Marsha Blackburn one is a real head scratcher. As best I can tell, they somehow managed to infer from her questioning the Supreme Court ruling that allowed contraceptives only for married couples that she wanted contraceptives for only married couples.

The Arizona GOP candidate did not propose a condom ban. He actually says "I don't support a state law or federal law that would ban or restrict contraception — period,". He just also doesn't like the way the Supreme Court settled that issue.

And then the McConnell one is just the truth. If Roe were overturned, abortion bans will be "possible". He was asked some loaded questions about if Roe is overturned and they win the senate would he eliminate the filibuster to ban abortion nationwide, and he basically answered that it isn't something anyone is talking about. "Possible" was the most damning quote they could milk out of him, and frankly, if he said "no, federal abortion regulations would be impossible with Roe gone" he'd just be lying to you.

There is a dedicated effort right now to make you think Republicans are rushing through all sorts of nonsense to try and energize Democrats to vote in the fall. It's pretty much all lies. Do not believe any Twitter post that seems upsetting. Ever. From anyone. Get another source, one with details.
"They don't want to ban it, they just want to get rid of the rules protecting it and I think you're such a fucking moron that you'd fall for it"

I know that people are generally gullible but I didn't fall for NFTs either. Why the fuck do you believe *I'd* believe a word these motherfuckers said? At what point have they conducted themselves in ways conducive to trust? That time McConnell didn't have a hearing for a Supreme Court Justice for 10 months because an election was coming up, then jammed one through in 8 days right before an election to pull this bullshit in the first place?

Sorry that people aren't believing your gaggle of serial liars tstorm
 

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Sorry that people aren't believing your gaggle of serial liars tstorm
Your excuse for believing lies is that you're not believing lies.. ok, sure. Your logic would rationalize belief in literally anything bad about Republicans, regardless of evidence or even common sense.
 

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In terms of realist domestic political analysis, liberal educated women are the primary non-racial enemy of the republicans. They have won over non-college-educated women, and men and college-educated men. College-educated women are what's left. It's funny the democrats generally lose political points for not implementing their policies and gain political capital for putting their plans in action, it's the opposition for republicans.

They are coming for liberal educated women, and I hope they have a plan. Otherwise, we may all be forced to spoof the AI hunting for abortion searches by using automated googling tools and forming an underground economy of abortion tools.
 

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It was that in like the 70s but we can all acknowledge that the republicans and even the country in general has moved more to the right in the elapsing time so it no longer is in the middle ground any more. Like Reagan instituted amnesty for the mexicans, now they wanna deport em or shoot em or what have you.
Republicans. Sure. The US... it's moved slightly left but it pretty much stayed stagnant. Like, they have gay marriage now and homosexuality was an offense back in the 70s

The only people who did any real change was evangelicals who were generally pro-Choice and then told to hate people and murder them. This was just used to kept the GOP in power because the GOP stance became unpopular

This is a small part of the country, and even the GOP. It's not that many in the GOP who actually want to shoot Mexicans (excluding the politicians obviously.) It's very unpopular ideas that have been allowed to control the leadership of the GOP
 

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It's funny the democrats generally lose political points for not implementing their policies and gain political capital for putting their plans in action, it's the opposition for republicans.
A natural pattern. The Democratic Party is marketed to people who want to make things better with the mission of squandering that political energy and reinforcing the idea that better things are not actually possible. Failure is thus success in terms of their role in American politics, but repeated failure is not exactly a compelling electoral strategy. Thankfully, the Republican Party is active and unapologetic in its devotion to making things worse which, in itself, is also not a compelling electoral strategy. But they collaborate between themselves and with the media to make sure that they are the only two "viable" choices and that all the dubious upsides of making things worse are very well promoted. The desired status quo stalemate is the result.
 
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