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That happens to have an illustrated pov blowjob.
Have you seen the illustration? It's clearly not meant to be arousing. It's even part of a narrative section about how it didn't feel right to the protagonist, but you've stripped out all the context to misrepresent it as pornographic.

Look, teenagers develop sexual characteristics/feelings, and it can be messy and confusing. Some people have a damn hard time of it. And some people believe (quite reasonably) that part of the education system's role can be helping them navigate those feelings.

It doesn't gel with your beliefs about how these things should be entirely separate, or not talked about or looked at. Fine. But that doesn't make it pornography. You're being puritanical.

There are no activist groups pushing cis straight blowjob cartoons in schools. It's not even about gay or straight or anything like that. It's that certain people make being politically transgressive their goal in life. Cause progressive isn't the opposite of conservative, transgressive is. And the list of things that are politically transgressive includes both unique gender/sexuality positions and showing blowjobs to children. They want kids reading gender queer not because it's important on its own merits, but because undermining accepted norms is the goal in and of itself. Don't be that person.
Oh, shove off with this.

There's nobody "pushing gay blowjob cartoons" in school either. That's an ultra-reductionist misrepresentation of the situation. A schoolteacher helped her students access books with queer coming-of-age memoir content, and some sexual themes. That's what actually happened. One such book had a very tame illustration of someone putting a rubber strap-on in their mouth, in the context of finding out that it didn't work for them. And you've twisted it out of all recognition, stripped all the works down to that one drawing in that one book, and then misrepresented the content of the picture as pornographic. To demonise someone who tried to do what she thought best.

And by the way, straight sexual content doesn't have advocates... because nobody fucking questions it. Straight sexual content is in countless books in schools and these modern day Puritans don't bat an eyelid.
 

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Surely you must be taking that out of context. The Bible would never be so pornographic.



Oh... wait...
Oh my, I never realized just how filthy it was. You'll have to excuse me, I never actually read the bible myself, I don't think I'm old enough for it reading that though. :^)
 

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Because at least some of the people involved at the district have suggested she may have violated HB 1775, but I cannot see how she might have done so given the conduct described is the extent of it?
I dont think they actually care if she broke the law or not. They're just going to say that she did

The law is vague enough for you to say whatever you want to say. That's the point of laws. See also: people getting rolled up for protesting Prince Andrew this week. There a huge discussions on what the law actually says.

Actually breaking the law is not necessarily to get someone in jail ot getting them fired to these people
 

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...and I was expected as a kid to recite prayers to a god I didn't believe in.
Fun fact: The words "under God" were not in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, thanks to the efforts of a reverend who said the following: "An atheistic American is a contradiction in terms. If you deny the Christian ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life." (The fact that the words also differentiated us from "those Godless communists" also made the change popular.)
 

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"And lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses." -The bible
There are student versions of the Bible. You don't want public schools to give kids bibles. What point are you making?
 

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Have you seen the illustration? It's clearly not meant to be arousing. It's even part of a narrative section about how it didn't feel right to the protagonist, but you've stripped out all the context to misrepresent it as pornographic.
The image is literally captioned "this is the visual I'd been picturing". The narrative of the section is that living out the pornography wasn't actually arousing to the protagonist. Displaying porn and saying "this isn't actually my thing" doesn't change what it is.
One such book had a very tame illustration of someone putting a rubber strap-on in their mouth...
Sometimes people argue against themselves...
 

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Oh, shove off with this.

There's nobody "pushing gay blowjob cartoons" in school either. That's an ultra-reductionist misrepresentation of the situation. A schoolteacher helped her students access books with queer coming-of-age memoir content, and some sexual themes. That's what actually happened. One such book had a very tame illustration of someone putting a rubber strap-on in their mouth, in the context of finding out that it didn't work for them. And you've twisted it out of all recognition, stripped all the works down to that one drawing in that one book, and then misrepresented the content of the picture as pornographic. To demonise someone who tried to do what she thought best.

And by the way, straight sexual content doesn't have advocates... because nobody fucking questions it. Straight sexual content is in countless books in schools and these modern day Puritans don't bat an eyelid.
I mean, it's the same logic that got us "Mass Effect is a lesbian sex simulator"
 
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There are student versions of the Bible. You don't want public schools to give kids bibles. What point are you making?
That any of these rules are applied unevenly. The bible is an easy go to, but literature is littered with graphic depictions of not just sex, but violence too. Expunging it doesn't help anyone. Especially when what's chosen is chosen on an obvious bias.
 
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That any of these rules are applied unevenly. The bible is an easy go to, but literature is littered with graphic depictions of not just sex, but violence too. Expunging it doesn't help anyone. Especially when what's chosen is chosen on an obvious bias.
God asks for the Israelite to commit genocide in the bible too. Because it's good book....

But the Bible is a special book that cant be critiqued or follows the rules of every other book. Because it's from God, you see

Obviously read that last paragraph with as much sarcasm as you can muster. And don't look at Sam Harris reasons for thinking Muslims are inherently violent... it might make you realise his rationale would make Christians and Jews automatically violent too
 

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The image is literally captioned "this is the visual I'd been picturing". The narrative of the section is that living out the pornography wasn't actually arousing to the protagonist. Displaying porn and saying "this isn't actually my thing" doesn't change what it is.
You have a retrograde, puritanical view of what constitutes pornography if you think any depiction of a sex act-- no matter whether it's clearly not intended to be arousing-- counts.
 

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That any of these rules are applied unevenly. The bible is an easy go to, but literature is littered with graphic depictions of not just sex, but violence too. Expunging it doesn't help anyone. Especially when what's chosen is chosen on an obvious bias.
But you only think the rules are applied unevenly because it's easier to argue against hypocrisy than someone with a legitimate argument. Like, Silvanus is trying to argue against the legitimate criticism and landed on "tame illustration of someone putting a strap-on in their mouth". I guarantee that sort of scene would send a movie directly to R-rated. Schools should be stricter about age gating content than movie theaters, because schools are mandatory.
 

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Like, Silvanus is trying to argue against the legitimate criticism and landed on "tame illustration of someone putting a strap-on in their mouth".
It's genuinely quite cute that you think that's hard-core.

The Christian fearful treatment of sex is a hell of a thing.
 

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The Christian fearful treatment of sex is a hell of a thing.
It's neo-Puritan bullshit about an angry God who doesn't want us sinners to be happy, used as a cover by punishment-fetishist old men who can't get an erection if they think someone somewhere isn't suffering as much as they ought.
 

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True the Vote, a conservative organization that’s known for pushing false claims of widespread voter fraud and that was behind the debunked film 2000 Mules, has actively collaborated with QAnon influencers, promising to act as a liaison between them and law enforcement and using them to target an election software company in Michigan.
True the Vote’s collaboration with QAnon influencers is a significant development when it comes to the QAnon community’s ongoing influence in the election denier movement. Media Matters has previously reported on the community’s close associations with election denial efforts; one QAnon influencer is even involved with a coalition recruiting and electing election-denialist secretary of state candidates.
A Media Matters investigation into True the Vote’s extraordinary and blatant collaboration with QAnon figures to push election misinformation — including during repeated appearances on QAnon-supporting shows and the group’s “The Pit” event that included many QAnon figures — reveals the community’s connection with the election denial movement taken to a new level. Most recently, a software company targeted by True the Vote and its QAnon collaborators has sued the group, claiming defamation and saying its founder has left his home due to death threats. True the Vote’s leaders claimed the FBI refused to look at their supposed evidence against the company, so they turned their findings over to QAnon-supporting “citizen researchers.”

  • True the Vote’s background and history of election denial
  • Then-tea party activist Catherine Engelbrecht founded True the Vote in 2009, following the election of then-President Barack Obama, to push for voter ID laws and purging voter rolls. (“Stop the Steal” organizer Ali Alexander has called Engelbrecht “the godmother of the election integrity movement.”) In 2016, Engelbrecht’s business partner, Gregg Phillips, a Republican operative and former Mississippi official, claimed without evidence that that year’s presidential election featured millions of illegal votes, a claim embraced by then-President Donald Trump.
    Both Engelbrecht and Phillips are also listed as executive producers for and starred in 2000 Mules, a widely debunked film claiming evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Despite 2000 Mules’ false claims (and True the Vote’s dubious record with its finances), right-wing figures have widely embraced the film, which was screened at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in May. True the Vote has since announced partnerships with right-wing sheriffs groups.
    As 2000 Mules catapulted True the Vote into fame within the right, Engelbrecht and Phillips also began to cultivate a relationship with another particular group: supporters of QAnon, a categorically false conspiracy theory that has been tied to multiple acts of violence, including the January 6 insurrection. The conspiracy theory has also spurred internal warnings of domestic terrorism from multiple government agencies.
  • True the Vote has cultivated relationships with QAnon influencers, appearing on QAnon-supporting shows at least 20 times in four months, and proposed getting their material to law enforcement
  • Around the same time that 2000 Mules was released, Phillips joined Truth Social, Trump’s social media platform, whose leadership has extensively appealed to the QAnon community. There Phillips interacted with multiple QAnon figures, including repeatedly amplifying posts explicitly promoting the conspiracy theory and calling QAnon influencers his “friends.” (Phillips has explicitly credited Truth Social for connecting him with QAnon figures.)
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  • Phillips’ association also extended outside of Truth Social posts. Since at least June, Phillips has repeatedly gone on the QAnon-supporting MatrixxxGrooove Show (or MG Show), which is co-hosted by QAnon supporters Jeffrey Pedersen (known online as “intheMatrixxx”) and Shannon Townsend (known online as “ShadyGrooove”). In fact, he has been on the show at least a dozen times since June.
  • During those appearances, Phillips has worn flannel for “Flannel Friday,” a trend that developed in the QAnon community, and lauded the QAnon community, saying it was “becoming a force” and adding, “It’s not a fringe movement. It’s not a conspiracy theory.” Phillips even promised the hosts to get Arizona Republican gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake on the show — which he did.
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    CitationFrom the July 15, 2022, edition of MatrixxxGrooove Show
  • Phillips has also gone on other QAnon-supporting shows — such as X22 Report, RedPill78, and those hosted by Jon Herold (known online as “Patel Patriot”) — at least 6 times since May, leading Pedersen to brag that Phillips had been “going on all the anon shows.”
    Phillips seemingly revealed some of his motivation for going on QAnon-supporting shows in May, writing, “I don’t agree with all I hear but as long as the motive is freedom from tyranny, I’ll stand next to ANYONE and fight.”
    Phillips has also collaborated with QAnon figures for Patriot Games, a podcast that he launched in July. A QAnon influencer has been co-running the podcast’s official Truth Social page, and J.T. Wilde, a QAnon-supporting musician, wrote a song for the podcast, which they first debuted on MatrixxxGrooove Show. Phillips said he is also working with Wilde on other projects.
    Engelbrecht, too, has associated with the QAnon community. Besides going on RedPill78, she has appeared multiple times on both X22 Report (whose host is an “old friend” of Engelbrecht, according to Phillips) and MatrixxxGrooove Show. During the latter, the show featured on screen a donation link for True the Vote that suggested some kind of collaboration between the show and the group.
    Engelbrecht also participated in the QAnon Flannel Friday trend on the show alongside Phillips and has lauded the show’s “awesome” hosts for doing “such a great job of building an audience of activists and of people that are not willing — not only willing to listen, but willing to engage.” She has also said, “It is coming, there is nothing that can stop what is coming” — echoing a common QAnon phrase. (Engelbrecht has also said a QAnon influencer was “helping to run” True the Vote’s Substack.)
    Phillips and Engelbrecht also see QAnon figures as tools to support their agenda. Phillips in recent months said he wanted to use supposed research from QAnon figures to give to law enforcement and the sheriffs groups that partner with True the Vote. Phillips has praised the QAnon community’s research effortssaying that its “open source intelligence” is “spectacularly good” — and said that he wants to involve its “citizen researchers.” He has also specifically floated giving their research and findings to Pinal County, Arizona, Sheriff Mark Lamb — the head of one of the sheriffs groups True the Vote is partnering with who once signed a book with the QAnon slogan (“where we go one, we go all,” or “WWG1WGA” for short) — and to “any of the other sheriffs that are going to be involved.”
  • Many QAnon figures attended True the Vote’s The Pit event
  • In August, Phillips and Engelbrecht hosted an event in Arizona they called The Pit (which Herold said he helped coordinate), where they would supposedly reveal “devastating” information showing the 2020 election was stolen.
    In the weeks leading up to the event, Phillips told the MatrixxxGrooove Show hosts it would be a “secret meeting” of “influencers, folks like you all, you know, Patel [Patriot] and all the guys” where they would “turn over a bunch of information to you.” Multiple QAnon influencers were photographed at the event, including Zak Paine, the host of RedPill78 and who participated in the January 6 insurrection; David Hayes (know online as “Praying Medic”), who has called for a military coup against Biden; and the host of X22 Report. Multiple members of We The Media, a QAnon influencer collective channel, were also photographed together at the event, and one of its members, Jordan Sather, said “a bunch” of them were attending.

  • QAnon influencers the pit photos
  • Media Matters identified at least a dozen QAnon figures who attended. Multiple QAnon influencers later praised the gathering, saying it allowed “us to meet, in the flesh, fellow digital soldiers who have been working tirelessly together in the trenches for years” and thanking Phillips for “bringing the anon community together” because “nobody else has done what you did for us and bringing us together.”
    Political figures also attended the event, such as Arizona gubernatorial candidate Lake and Arizona Republican secretary of state nominee Mark Finchem, along with Lamb, the Pinal County, Arizona, sheriff, and Trump attorney Christina Bobb, who used to work for far-right network One America News.
  • True the Vote used QAnon influencers to target Michigan election software company Konnech after allegedly being rejected by the FBI
  • From The Pit, Phillips and Engelbrecht used the QAnon community to target Konnech, a Michigan-based election software company, with election fraud conspiracy theories. Konnech has since sued True the Vote, Phillips, and Engelbrecht for their claims about the company, saying they hacked its servers and that their campaign resulted in death threats against its founder and forced him and his family to flee their home.
    While much of The Pit was livestreamed, a portion of it was kept private. That portion focused on conspiracy theories about Konnech, where they claimed it was a “questionable company involved in this that may have been rigging elections on behalf of the CCP [Chinese Communist Party],” according to Sather, and that the FBI was “too compromised to do anything” about it.
    Engelbrecht has criticized the FBI, saying True the Vote shared this information about Konnech with the FBI, but “we became the target” of the agency instead. Therefore, the aim of The Pit event was to “go public … initially in a trusted space with people who could help gather up more and more and more information so that if, God forbid, something happens to us ... that other people are equipped.” Phillps has also said that the FBI “betrayed us.”
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    CitationFrom the August 19, 2022, edition of GraceTime TV
  • In response to their grievances with the FBI, Phillips and Engelbrecht turned to the QAnon community to “take what we had done and turn it over to these men and women on the internet, these anons, and just let them have it.” Phillips said that because of what they claimed was their falling out with the FBI, they turned to the “most maligned community on Earth,” the “anonymous researchers, you know, that were linked to ‘Q’” (referring to the conspiracy theory’s central figure).
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    CitationFrom the August 31, 2022, edition of 1819 News The Podcast
  • And the QAnon community responded, saying after the event that it was now “focusing on” and “digging in to” Konnech. Figures also spread nefarious allegations about the company, such as calling it one of the “front companies here in the United States … owned by the CCP” and saying it was tied to efforts to “manipulate our elections.” They also claimed its owner had questionable connections. Sather even called Konnech “our new Dominion,” referring to the election voting software and hardware company that has been targeted with numerous false conspiracy theories about voter fraud.
  • Video file
    CitationFrom a video uploaded to Rumble on August 17, 2022
  • Some QAnon influencers also said Phillips and Engelbrecht had emailed or planned to email them material about the company, and some even helped establish a Telegram channel dedicated to finding supposed information about Konnech.
  • Both Phillips and Engelbrecht also subsequently shared content that QAnon figures created regarding Konnech on Truth Social and praised it as “brilliant” and “great work,” and even praised and recommended people follow multiple We The Media members for their supposed findings. One QAnon influencer’s blog targeting Konnech has since been shared by former national security advisor Michael Flynn and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, both QAnon-connected and election denialist figures. Both Phillips and Engelbrecht also pointed to what the “anons” supposedly found to further criticize the FBI.
    Phillips and Engelbrecht have also said they are talking with law enforcement and giving them the supposed information from those QAnon figures, invoking their partnerships with sheriffs. “We’re in with attorneys general and district attorneys and sheriffs and governors and any level that will take action,” Engelbrecht said. Phillips also said they were speaking with some United States senators, a secretary of state, and state attorneys general, and Engelbrecht in September said she had been meeting “a number of” elected officials in Washington, D.C.
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    CitationFrom the September 8, 2022, edition of MatrixxxGrooove Show
  • Days before Konnech’s lawsuit was filed, Engelbrecht disclosed — on a QAnon-supporting show — that Konnech sent True the Vote a cease-and-desist order. She refused. A federal judge has since granted Konnech’s motion for a temporary restraining order against True the Vote.
    The clear collaboration between True the Vote and QAnon figures to target Konnech serves as a warning on how the QAnon movement has become an online anti-reality network that helps boost other conspiracy theorists — including the election denial movement.
Had to remove incompatible video files, they're available in main article still though.
 

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But you only think the rules are applied unevenly because it's easier to argue against hypocrisy than someone with a legitimate argument. Like, Silvanus is trying to argue against the legitimate criticism and landed on "tame illustration of someone putting a strap-on in their mouth". I guarantee that sort of scene would send a movie directly to R-rated. Schools should be stricter about age gating content than movie theaters, because schools are mandatory.
And why should the MPAA be a guiding force in this discussion? That's not an argument either for threatening the job and life of a teacher providing library cards.
 

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It's neo-Puritan bullshit about an angry God who doesn't want us sinners to be happy, used as a cover by punishment-fetishist old men who can't get an erection if they think someone somewhere isn't suffering as much as they ought.
Also

Evangelicals: WHY AREN'T (WHITE)PEOPLE HAVING MORE BABIES?
also evangelicals: STOP TALKING ABOUT SEX! IT'S GROSS AND CHILDERN MIGHT HEAR ABOUT!

I mean, critical thinking isn't one of their strong suits, considering most of them see the bible as both a history and science textbook.
 
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And why should the MPAA be a guiding force in this discussion? That's not an argument either for threatening the job and life of a teacher providing library cards.
She was not fired. The only cited death threat was facetious. And I would prefer you admit people against that book in schools are reasonable to think that before skipping to "but that doesn't justify violence".
 

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She was not fired. The only cited death threat was facetious. And I would prefer you admit people against that book in schools are reasonable to think that before skipping to "but that doesn't justify violence".
Where did she offer the book? She was however brought up for discipline, the OK government is trying to take her job, and she recieved death threats. You just want to deflect from the crux of the issue, that conservatives hate free speech.