HBO Max The Last Of Us review (SPOILERS!)

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If there was a mercy killing, or a killing at all, they should have shown it.
As it is, I was left thinking the writers forgot: if they just stayed together waiting? Riley would have morphed and Ellie would have had to fight for her own life as she wouldn't morph.
Pretty much. It's not that Riley dies and we don't get to see it, it's that both of them wait to turn together, but then Ellie doesn't. How does she respond to that, how does this impact her? Ellie's scared of ending up alone, of not having a place to belong, and this is one of the most important moments of that happening and we don't get to see it. The game (and the show) isn't opposed to showing the raw visceral reaction to loss, yet with this one character, someone who at the time is the most important person in Ellie's life, we don't get to see it. If by obscuring it, but showing how Riley's fate absolutely haunts Ellie, it could draw attention to how bad it must've been, but nothing really implies she's terribly traumatized by this. It's a very sad memory obviously, but not one that seems to really grip her.

This has always been my problem with the DLC as well. Because they obviously wrote it after the game was already finished, but then tried to retroactively introduce this previous important character in Ellie's life that she lost, eventhough nothing from Ellie's behaviour in the main game indicates she saw the first girl she ever loved die infront of her. When you think that would've left some scars on her personality.
 

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AAAAANNNNNDDDDD There it is. I knew it was a matter of time before terrible takes like this begins to happen.

I don't know what's worse; the article trying to instigate the woke hate, or youtubers like this who try to twist its words to speak out their crap opinions.
 
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AAAAANNNNNDDDDD There it is. I knew it was a matter of time before terrible takes like this begins to happen.

I don't know what's worse; the article trying to instigate the woke hate, or youtubers like this who try to twist its words to speak out their crap opinions.
The fact that this man has 1.48 million subscribers astounds me. So he has a total of 1.48 million thundering dumb asses following is even simpler dumb ass. I honestly could not give a shit about most of the "anti-woke" fuckheads, because they can screech all they want, but TLOUS is not going anywhere for a long time. How you idiots ignore the games or the show, and do something worthwhile with your life, instead of acting like a piss cry baby 24/7?

 
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You expected any different? Luckily they telegraph their attentions so hard in their thumbnails that I never accidentally click any of it. 'Oh look, a man with comically applied rouge and lipstick, and a cross-eyed girl in the thumbnail; I wonder if this'll be any sort of nuanced coverage?'
 

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The fact that this man has 1.48 million subscribers astounds me. So he has a total of 1.48 million thundering dumb asses following is even simpler dumb ass. I honestly could not give a shit about most of the "anti-woke" fuckheads, because they can screech all they want, but TLOUS is not going anywhere for a long time. How you idiots ignore the games or the show, and do something worthwhile with your life, instead of acting like a piss cry baby 24/7?


On a relative scale, 1.5 million people won't even get you elected mayor in a major city. In the concept of global numbers, its barely a drop in the pond. (and thats assuming the 1.5 million is legitimate subscribers actively following them, and not bots/brand accounts that follow to try and convince you buy ads/marketing from them, or people who clicked the subscribe bell like 14 years ago on some cool gaming highlight or something and never unclicked it lol)
 
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Episode 8: When We Are In Need

So this episode features the original VA for Joel, Troy Baker. The dude used to be one of my favorite celebs in gaming industry. Keyword on "used to", because over the years I think he has let his fame get over his head, and been acting like a bit of douche. Plus, he tried to push for a NFT project with that horrible slogan "You can hate or you can create". So based on his appearance alone, I really wasn't looking forward to this episode.

The episode immediately introduces us to David and his group. Now for those who played the original game, we know who he is, so his enigmatic preacher appearance is a creepy facade. We are also introduced to Troy Baker's character, James. His character seems to be more devloped here, instead of being one of david's insignificant lackeys

After this, the episode pretty much flows the same way as the game did; Ellie is caring for incapacitated Joel, goes out hunting for food, and runs into David's group. James returns to their settlement, and David and Ellie wait for him to come back in an abandoned warehouse.

David lets Ellie go back to Joel with the medicine, and David's group have "venison" for dinner. And we slowly get to see David's darker side here; His nice attittude starts to go away, and these people seems to follow not because of faith, but fear; Everyone who played the game knows why, but I guess this was done for those who didn't play. I'd argue it was done to a great effect as a shocking revelation. I really like his preacher persona; it adds to his secretly-a-brutal character

The next day Ellie gets hunted down by David and his men, and this is where we really began to see Jame's character, which isn't much. I mean I understand he originally wasn't a too much of an important character to begin with, but the small build-up from eariler doesn't lead anywhere; James is just another cynical, disgruntled, hardened survivor.

From here, the show seems to follow the game again; Joel is killing off David's men or torturing them for info, and Ellie has been captured by David and he's taunting her. And Pedro Pascal once again nails his performance here; It shows Joel is willing to be brutal as hell to save Ellie. The cannibalism gets revealed, and maybe it's because I knew this was gonna happen, but the revelation doesn't seem nearly as effective.

Joel continues to search for Ellie, while she escapes her near-death situation. James gets killed off, and this really annoyed me once again as giving the guy significance earlier led nowhere. David and Ellie begans to have a stand-off at a burning restaurant. As a last-ditch effort, Ellie hacks the fuck out of David with a meat cleaver. And holy hell, huge bonus point for Bella on the acting here. Joel calling Ellie "baby girl" still feels emotional.

I would say this episode is another 9/10. Followed the plot pretty close, both Pedro and Bella nailed their performance. But James sort of ruined the experience for me, as his character was really boring and I feel like Tory Baker was cast purely on recognition alone.
 
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I liked this one, though I do feel like it was a bit rushed.

I think what I liked from the game, is that Ellie and David held off a horde of infected together, which immediately builds this sense of camaraderie between the two characters. Then when they did the bait and switch afterwards, and have David come out as a cannibal/bad guy, it was a lot more effective.

Here, you are introduced to David, and he reveals himself to be a bad guy, whilst Ellie is still on edge/suspicious about him.

It just worked a little better in the game.

I feel like I would have enjoyed this arc to have had a little more time to breathe, instead of wasting time on the last episode's Left Behind story.
 
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Just saw Episode 8, and it was alright. Overall it feels like it's skimming through what the game did, but there are moments that were shorted effectively, and in later scenes Bella Ramsey really gives a hardy performance.

I like that David is much more friendly and unassuming looking in the show, as opposed to the game where he looks creepy and unkempt from the get-go, with Nolan North's performance making him sound like a stereotypical creep. However, this does make David's turn to full blown rapist murderer in the show feel a little sudden, when in the game you could tell it was already there beneath the surface and then by the end it comes out unchecked.

The scene by the campfire between Ellie and David isn't as tense, since David pretty much immediately makes his mortivations known. In the game you kinda knew something was up with David from the moment you saw him, and this gets highlighted by how the game kinda presents him as a replacement Joel (which we obviously wouldn't want). But through the simple act of gameplay companionship you automatically let your guard down, giving the reveal more weight to it. Also, some of Ramsey's delivery felt a little off during her first interaction with David and James.

Making the initial group that tracks Ellie also be the one to hunt down Joel was a good way of shortening that section for the show. Though showing a shot of it quite heavily snowing out followed by David talking about how they'll easily track her in the snow was a bit of a flub.

Troy Baker plays James and he was alright. I enjoyed how he set his face to borzoi deflation for the whole episode.

Once Ellie gets captured it's a lot more harrowing due to Bella Ramsey's performance. She comes across a lot more genuinely scared and disturbed then Ellie in the game, and when they grab her for the slab it feels legitimately uncomfortable to hear her plead. And once "that scene" comes around - the scene that leaves absolutely no doubt what David's intensions are - it feels significantly more icky, in large part again due to Ramsey's performance.

I'm kinda two ways about not having Joel there immediately after Ellie kills David. On the one hand it really leaves Ellie alone with the horror of what has just occured, but on the other it doesn't give us that very nice moment where we hear just the score as we transition to Spring.
 
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Oh dear, I just checked out the preview for Episode 9, and I saw something that I hope to God they're not going to do. We see a pregnant woman played by Ashley Johnson as Ellie's mom, seemingly get assaulted by an infected. And if they're going the 'mother was bitten while pregnant therefor child is immune'... please dear god no. Ellie's immunity was always a freak occurance; nothing genetic or anything like that. Ellie wasn't special, how she got infected wasn't special. More importantly it's not something that could get replicated. It was a freak mutation of this particular cordyceps infection, that's it. Please don't pull this Blade shit on us, I beg of you.
 
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Maybe it's because I saw some of my favourite moments I wanted to see realized, but that episode was a banger for me.

After having seen Joel use the "it better be the same position that she pointed at line" at the start of an earlier episode I wasn't sure if they were foreshadowing Joel's current interrogation or whether they were replacing it, but seeing it happen was a gleeful moment for me.

Same for the scene where Ellie breaks David's finger.
 

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This quite an episode. Overall I have positive things to say, though I felt a little let down by the confrontation. I remember it all a bit differently, but not well enough to contradict the adaptation. I wasn't a fan of the snidely whiplash turn, but I can't remember if that character was more nuanced in the game. Kinda eating me alive that the game doesn't come out on PC until the 28th. Very tempted to break down and play it on PS5.
 

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Episode 8: When We Are In Need

So this episode features the original VA for Joel, Troy Baker. The dude used to be one of my favorite celebs in gaming industry. Keyword on "used to", because over the years I think he has let his fame get over his head, and been acting like a bit of douche. Plus, he tried to push for a NFT project with that horrible slogan "You can hate or you can create". So based on his appearance alone, I really wasn't looking forward to this episode.

The episode immediately introduces us to David and his group. Now for those who played the original game, we know who he is, so his enigmatic preacher appearance is a creepy facade. We are also introduced to Troy Baker's character, James. His character seems to be more devloped here, instead of being one of david's insignificant lackeys

After this, the episode pretty much flows the same way as the game did; Ellie is caring for incapacitated Joel, goes out hunting for food, and runs into David's group. James returns to their settlement, and David and Ellie wait for him to come back in an abandoned warehouse.

David lets Ellie go back to Joel with the medicine, and David's group have "venison" for dinner. And we slowly get to see David's darker side here; His nice attittude starts to go away, and these people seems to follow not because of faith, but fear; Everyone who played the game knows why, but I guess this was done for those who didn't play. I'd argue it was done to a great effect as a shocking revelation. I really like his preacher persona; it adds to his secretly-a-brutal character

The next day Ellie gets hunted down by David and his men, and this is where we really began to see Jame's character, which isn't much. I mean I understand he originally wasn't a too much of an important character to begin with, but the small build-up from eariler doesn't lead anywhere; James is just another cynical, disgruntled, hardened survivor.

From here, the show seems to follow the game again; Joel is killing off David's men or torturing them for info, and Ellie has been captured by David and he's taunting her. And Pedro Pascal once again nails his performance here; It shows Joel is willing to be brutal as hell to save Ellie. The cannibalism gets revealed, and maybe it's because I knew this was gonna happen, but the revelation doesn't seem nearly as effective.

Joel continues to search for Ellie, while she escapes her near-death situation. James gets killed off, and this really annoyed me once again as giving the guy significance earlier led nowhere. David and Ellie begans to have a stand-off at a burning restaurant. As a last-ditch effort, Ellie hacks the fuck out of David with a meat cleaver. And holy hell, huge bonus point for Bella on the acting here. Joel calling Ellie "baby girl" still feels emotional.

I would say this episode is another 9/10. Followed the plot pretty close, both Pedro and Bella nailed their performance. But James sort of ruined the experience for me, as his character was really boring and I feel like Tory Baker was cast purely on recognition alone.
So that really was him. Ugh. Episode was ok. The show is batting 100 IMO for its best episodes being the ones that most veer away from the game script. Here the most that happens is the point at which Joel finds her was moved back a bit.

In short, game still did it better.
 

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Episode 9: Look for the light

Here we go, the season finale.

The episode starts with pregnant Anna (played by Ashley Johnson) running into an abandoned house. She has gone into labor, and is being hunted by one of the infected. She fights it off, and manages to give birth while doing so. And the baby turns out to be Ellie. Turns out Anna was part of fireflies, and Marlene and some of the fireflies come to find her. Anna go bitten just before giving birth, and hence the show's explanation of why Ellie has immunity.

IDK, This was such a strange scene. Just like with Troy Baker, I feel like Ashley Johnson was just there for fan service. Not only that, but I really wish there would've been better reasons. I mean for one thing, I'm sure that's not how immunity works, and I'm sure they copied this from Blade's origin.

We jump back to the present time, while Joel and Ellie are continuing to make their way to firefly base. These two now officially have accepted each other as surrogate father/daughter, and their dialog seems so be once again lifted from the game. They make their way through a city, and we have our giraffe scene. The only thing that ruins it was the fact that giraffe was CGI. I understand they may not have been able to acquire an actual giraffe, but damn it, what's supposed to be a hauntingly beautiful scene looks really distracting. And they got an actual giraffe for this scene. I think that's quite amazing, making the scene all the better.

Joel and Ellie have a bit of dialog after this, and the foreshadowing of future events is more obvious, now we all know what happens by the end and in TLOU part 2. Joel actually confesses to Ellie that he was planning to end his own life after Sarah died, and how a last-minute hesitation saved him. Holy crap, that's actually dark, and totally understandable.

Joel and Ellie get captured by fireflies, and when Joel regains consciousness, Marlene is there to explain Ellie has to die to create a cure.

The show pretty much follows the game from this point, Joel fights through hell to save Ellie, and kills the doctors performing the surgery that would've killed Ellie. At this point, I realized this is only the second time in the show version that Joel is fighting against humans, the first one during the part with Sam and Henry. The game version had lot more encounters, IIRC. I guess the show didn't want to repeat the same format with every episode, but it is still weird they had no looter/bandit encounter to this point. I don't think we got to the part of Ellie being unable to swim, and them being chased by armored car.

This hospital scene is brutal. Joel spares NO ONE, even people who were surrendering. Maybe it's because I'm not in control of him, but I was a bit shocked here; All that sweet, nice side of him is gone, and I'm watching him mowing down people to save Ellie. I think it's probably even more shocking to those who never played the game.

Joel kills off Marlene and drives off with Ellie. He lies to her about the whole thing. And this is probably the part that still generates debate; Did Joel make the right decision? Would Ellie have made the decision to sacrifice her own life?

This was a 9/10 episode. Super close to the original game, with some detail changes for the show. But that intro with Anna was really weird and felt unnecessary

Overall:

Generally, I'd say this was a damn good live-action adaptation. It has shown that with careful dedication, writing, and understanding of the source material, we can have a nice adaptation. There were some questionable directions, missing parts from the game, and unnecessary/wasted cameos. Still, the plot was great, Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey's performances were superb, the atmosphere and set designs were on point.

Now to cancel my HBO max subscription until another interesting show comes along, or whenever part 2 gets made
 
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So Episode 9 happened and... eh, yeah I guess. Don't feel too strong about it one way or the other. It felt super skimmed again, this one being probably the shortest episode of the bunch. They just kinda blast through the iconic bits - the giraffes and whatnot - but we don't get Ellie's dream or her giving Joel the photograph.

I was super scared they'd make Ellie immune from birth, and while they did do that they thankfully made it so it was still due to getting infected and not because she's genetically immune. Don't know how much sense it makes what with her being born the moment Anna got bit; I don't know how much if any blood is still coming from the mother into the fetus once the water is broken and with the placenta likely giving way too.

There's a new addition to Joel's character where it's revealed he actually tried to kill himself shortly after losing Sarah. And it makes sense, though the game never actively hints at this. It got cheesy as fuck though when Ellie said 'Guess time heals all wounds' and Joel replies 'It wasn't time...' and looks at her. Could've been worse, he could've followed it up with '...it was you', but it was still silly.

There's some music that's shifted around that I could kinda appreciate. During Joel's murder rampage through the hospital we actually hear the 'All Gone' theme that we hear ingame during his escape with her from the Fireflies. And when we see them drive away after Joel lied to Ellie about what happened we hear the theme that plays at the very start of TLoU2 with Joel riding his horse together with Tommy back to Jackson. It sorta fit quite well.

We do FINALLY got confirmation that Ellie killed Riley, so good on them. And I liked how Joel just instantly killed the surgeon, didn't even gave him time to finish his thoughts. Oh, and cool that Laura Bailey played one of the operating assistants, since she voiced the female assistant in the game as well. No "you fucking animal" though. I was surprised we didn't get a teaser in the shape of a young Abby or the surgeon getting a bit more characterisation, but I guess at the time they weren't assuming a second season yet.

Overall this show was alright. Some parts were quite good, some parts were kinda eh, but it was pretty alright. Episode 3 is still the best one, and the game is still better regardless. But good job though.
 
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I watched the finale this morning, and I liked it, but I do have a couple of pretty major gripes.

First of all, whilst seeing Ashley Johnson was nice, and she really suited playing Ellie's mum, I really didn't need to know a possible reason as to why Ellie is immune. Her immunity is much more interesting as an unexplained anomaly, and this explanation is rather contrived.

My other issue with the episode, was simply how short and fast-paced it was. This was the shortest episode in the entire series, and it really felt like it. After they wasted however many minutes with Ellie's mum, they only had about 30 minutes left to wrap up the rest of the story. 30 minutes to wonder around for bit, do the giraffe thing, arrive at the hospital, have Ellie's situation explained to Joel, have him shoot up the entire hospital, rescue Ellie, kill Marlene, drive back to Jackson, attempt to convince her of his lie, and then roll the credits. 30 minutes for all of that isn't a very long time at all.

What ensued, unfortunately felt like a sprint to the finish. It didn't feel as though there was any room for the show to breathe, or any opportunities for any of these moments to linger. The whole shootout section, from Joel killing the first soldier, to walking out of the hospital with Ellie, felt like it lasted about 5 minutes. This is possibly the most important moment of this entire story, and one of the most pivotal moments of the entire franchise, and it was over in a breeze.

The episode indulged itself by showing Ellie's mum, then edited the rest down to the bone.

I still feel like this episode ultimately stuck the landing, but im disappointed that it felt so rushed. It definitely could have done with at least another 10 minutes.

Overall, I think this was a solid adaption. Im happy it was a TV show, and not a movie. Im happy that they generally stuck to the source material, and retold the story well. Some of the changes were great, some of the changes were not so great (which comes with the territory of being an adaption, I suppose). Im generally very happy with this version, and I am excited to watch it again, as a complete series.

With that said, with the exception of Episode 3/Bill's Town, I feel like the game was better overall. But in terms of adaptions, it is definitely up near the top. I do think it stumbles a few too many times to challenge something like Arcane, though.

At least it was better than fucking Halo.
 
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Remember the whole deal with opting to forego the spores and making the infected a hivemind instead? Yeah, nothing much was done with that at all. This only shows up in Episode 2 to draw the infected to where Tess, Joel, and Ellie are (something that could've easily been replaced by just a loud sound). We never see this underground network of tendrils show up ever again. So that was pretty fucking pointless.

Not having the zombies there much, not having the spores or the big clumps of shroom made the infection - the thing that was the goal in making Ellie grant a cure worth it - have far less of a presence in the show. Again, despite the game being cinematic, and people accusing it of just having you walk/shoot from cutscene to cutscene, the fact that it was a game made it so we could have plenty of moments during gameplay where infected show up, or where we walked through rooms and tunnels filled with spores and people grown into the walls, making the infection a constant in the game world. Whereas in the show they virtually disappear from the story after Episode 5.