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They're obligated to cover the cost, but have numerous ways of changing what the cost is. Much like how an insurer may be obligated to fully replace something, but if their budget is shitty they'll opt for a cut-price or shoddier supplier or consider something cheaper to constitute full replacement.
Excuse me sir, we are talking about healthcare in America. The insurers here often force people to take the more expensive, brand-name things and refuse to cover cheaper alternatives.
 

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David Pakman may support universal healthcare, but he doesn't act like it with him supporting many candidates who support middle-of-the-road public options like healthcare plans for sick people who don't have employment but make too much to be on Medicaid. So I don't trust him on that.

But on authoritarianism, I don't trust any more left of progressive/social democrat and democratic socialists. The fact that Pakman who is a liberal is getting scared and preparing lawyers, and an exit plan freaks me out. We have seen waves of anti-authoritarian professors leave, but this is someone who is a media elite who calculated that making this video would be better than not making it and did it anyway. There are costs to making this video as it decreases your patriotism credibility no matter how much you soften that aspect of the messaging.

This is starting to get scary.

Edit: The Iran video aspect of it is that Trump may be ostracizing America on the international stage to a high degree by breaking the nuclear taboo.
 

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...but this is someone who is a media elite who calculated that making this video would be better than not making it and did it anyway.
Oh no, left wing personality says they're going to leave the country!? What a novel and surprising event that has never happened before and should obviously scare us!
 

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So I have a question. Republicans tried to paint it as a gigantic moral outrage that Hunter Biden did drugs despite him not even having a government post. But when druggie Musk takes so much Ketamine while doing his government job that he can't pee anymore then suddenly its no biggie?

So is the message we should take away from this that if Trump's likes you then you can take as much drugs as you want, but if he did a coup against your dad he'll slander you to no end if you do drugs?
 

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So I have a question. Republicans tried to paint it as a gigantic moral outrage that Hunter Biden did drugs despite him not even having a government post. But when druggie Musk takes so much Ketamine while doing his government job that he can't pee anymore then suddenly its no biggie?

So is the message we should take away from this that if Trump's likes you then you can take as much drugs as you want, but if he did a coup against your dad he'll slander you to no end if you do drugs?
Thats the point, the message is that if your the in-group, you can do anything you want, and if you're not, anything you do can be a justification.

This is what his supporter want, this is why every time something he does negatively affect them, their reaction is "but he was supposed to target other people!" and their response isn't that its wrong to do this, but that they need help to make it clear that they are part of the in-group.

The contradiction isn't a "gotcha" moment for them, its confirmation that their group is in control now, its a flat out a good thing.
 

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So I have a question. Republicans tried to paint it as a gigantic moral outrage that Hunter Biden did drugs despite him not even having a government post. But when druggie Musk takes so much Ketamine while doing his government job that he can't pee anymore then suddenly its no biggie?

So is the message we should take away from this that if Trump's likes you then you can take as much drugs as you want, but if he did a coup against your dad he'll slander you to no end if you do drugs?
If we take the anonymous sources as absolute fact, Musk abused prescription drugs. That is not great, that is worthy of condemnation, that really isn't comparable to becoming a crack addict and then cheating on your wife with your dead brother's widow and then getting her onto cocaine with you. Elon Musk is not a beacon of morality, he's a pretty terrible role model, but Hunter Biden is an actual full-fledged degenerate.
 

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Oh no, left wing personality says they're going to leave the country!? What a novel and surprising event that has never happened before and should obviously scare us!
The US is the most prosperous country/society in the history of the world, the fact people are willing to leave that for Canada, or Argentina is worrying.
 

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Excuse me sir, we are talking about healthcare in America. The insurers here often force people to take the more expensive, brand-name things and refuse to cover cheaper alternatives.
Yes, in circumstances with entirely different financial incentives involved, that does indeed happen.
 

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The US is the most prosperous country/society in the history of the world, the fact people are willing to leave that for Canada, or Argentina is worrying.
They've been doing this performance my entire life every single time a Republican is in the White House. It is performative.
 

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They've been doing this performance my entire life every single time a Republican is in the White House. It is performative.
I didn't see it with George HW Bush.

Edit: No, I wasn't alive back then.
 

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If we take the anonymous sources as absolute fact, Musk abused prescription drugs. That is not great, that is worthy of condemnation, that really isn't comparable to becoming a crack addict and then cheating on your wife with your dead brother's widow and then getting her onto cocaine with you. Elon Musk is not a beacon of morality, he's a pretty terrible role model, but Hunter Biden is an actual full-fledged degenerate.
The person who supports neofascism and makes Nazi salutes, openly enjoys making thousands unemployed and shutting down aid programmes that deliver support to millions, easily wins any degeneracy contest against a mere drug addict.
 
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The person who supports neofascism and makes Nazi salutes, openly enjoys making thousands unemployed and shutting down aid programmes that deliver support to millions, easily wins any degeneracy contest against a mere drug addict.
Other users: "Republicans don't care about drugs, they only care if it's their in-group or not."
Me: "The situations aren't comparable enough to reach that conclusion."
You: "People in that political in-group are worse than cheating drug addicts!"

If you're really that dedicated to being a hack and feel the need to announce it, I suppose that's your prerogative. You're really undermining the other people's points though.
 

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The US is the most prosperous country/society in the history of the world, the fact people are willing to leave that for Canada, or Argentina is worrying.
Is it though? Maybe on paper, maybe if you’re rich but in practice most places in the global north seem far better places to live as a normal citizen.
 

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The US is the most prosperous country/society in the history of the world, the fact people are willing to leave that for Canada, or Argentina is worrying.
I agree. Americans need to stay in their own country.
 

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Other users: "Republicans don't care about drugs, they only care if it's their in-group or not."
Me: "The situations aren't comparable enough to reach that conclusion."
You: "People in that political in-group are worse than cheating drug addicts!"
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You really had to stretch to reimagine the thrust of that argument.
 

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Your argument is genuinely embarrassing.
I would pause to think about your own. After all, you have attemped to address the issue of whether it's problematic that Trump let a drug-addled man have considerable power over the government with no significant counter other than that drug addict being less of a clusterfuck than another drug addict.

You don't get to complain about anyone else's arguments whilst you're at the level of bashing blocks into the wrong holes of the shape sorter.
 

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I agree. Americans need to stay in their own country.
Then why do countries keep wanting American remote workers to live there? Believe it or not, the average American who has stepped outside of their country, and has a good job is dynamic enough to be in the top 1-10% of the best educated, and most innovative workers in the world.
 

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Then why do countries keep wanting American remote workers to live there? Believe it or not, the average American who has stepped outside of their country, and has a good job is dynamic enough to be in the top 1-10% of the best educated, and most innovative workers in the world.
I don't care. Stay in your country and keep your crap to yourself.
 
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