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That fictional portrayal of a female standup comic is fine by today's standards, though I imagine given the time period (1950s?), she was probably written to sound equally "risqué" as modern female comics. Much like comparing a 19th century frontierswoman woman showing ankle to a modern day stripper collecting dollar bills off a stage using her ass cheeks.

It's just my hot take. I don't avoid female comedians, and I'm not some pearl-clutchy prude who can't take vulgarity or who has any predilection for personal standards of women's behavior, but I'm not going to sit there for an hour while a woman talks about most things I don't want to hear out of ANYONE'S mouth, let alone a woman's, the whole time. As I said, same standard for male comedians, there's just fewer of them to make me notice the disparity.
I think back then comedians were arrested just for swearing vs the actual content. I think if you could make a joke about R-rated content using essentially PG speech you were fine.

I only dabble in stand-up a bit and only take a look at the real big ones like Carlin or Chappelle. I don't think any female comedians ever made it as big as to be considered like top 10 greats though.
 

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I think back then comedians were arrested just for swearing vs the actual content. I think if you could make a joke about R-rated content using essentially PG speech you were fine.

I only dabble in stand-up a bit and only take a look at the real big ones like Carlin or Chappelle. I don't think any female comedians ever made it as big as to be considered like top 10 greats though.
Yeah, as far as female comedians go, women are unfortunately in the minority in terms of "greats," but that's not to say there aren't great ones. I already listed DeGeneres, Notaro, Bamford, and can add one of my personal favorites in Kathleen Madigan, all of which are just fundamentally clever and funny without sacrificing their dignity by being obscenely gross simply because "women don't talk like that." I think a lot of female comics today go more for "shock" than "funny," and good comedy is so much more nuanced than just saying "pussy" and "****" and "cock" for an hour. Amy Schumer is the perfect example; she is extremely phony between joke stealing and clearly just going for the shock value with her humor. In the second video, she literally opens up talking about (sexually) "fucking kids." That's absurd, and it's crazy that anyone would say that (absurdist humor,) but it's certainly not clever or funny, and she's made a name for herself doing dumb shit like this.


 
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Amy Schumer is the perfect example; she is extremely phony between joke stealing and clearly just going for the shock value with her humor. In the second video, she literally opens up talking about (sexually) "fucking kids." That's absurd, and it's crazy that anyone would say that (absurdist humor,) but it's certainly not clever or funny, and she's made a name for herself doing dumb shit like this.
Is Amy Schumer still a thing? I thought she disappeared ages ago, possibly when details of her past came out. (Wiki seems to show she's active, but I don't think she's as big as she used to be). But yeah, never really got the appeal of her.
 
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Is Amy Schumer still a thing? I thought she disappeared ages ago, possibly when details of her past came out. (Wiki seems to show she's active, but I don't think she's as big as she used to be). But yeah, never really got the appeal of her.
She's not nearly as relevant today as she might have been years ago (particularly after her joke stealing scandals,) but she perfectly encapsulates my issue with a lot of female comedians who think being crude, nasty, and what they effuse as "one of the guys" makes them funny.
 

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Yeah, as far as female comedians go, women are unfortunately in the minority in terms of "greats," but that's not to say there aren't great ones. I already listed DeGeneres, Notaro, Bamford, and can add one of my personal favorites in Kathleen Madigan, all of which are just fundamentally clever and funny without sacrificing their dignity by being obscenely gross simply because "women don't talk like that." I think a lot of female comics today go more for "shock" than "funny," and good comedy is so much more nuanced than just saying "pussy" and "****" and "cock" for an hour. Amy Schumer is the perfect example; she is extremely phony between joke stealing and clearly just going for the shock value with her humor. In the second video, she literally opens up talking about (sexually) "fucking kids." That's absurd, and it's crazy that anyone would say that (absurdist humor,) but it's certainly not clever or funny, and she's made a name for herself doing dumb shit like this.


I recall once hanging out many years ago, we put on a Ellen standup act and it was funnier than I thought it would be, very observational.
 

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She's not nearly as relevant today as she might have been years ago (particularly after her joke stealing scandals,) but she perfectly encapsulates my issue with a lot of female comedians who think being crude, nasty, and what they effuse as "one of the guys" makes them funny.
I have this spurious un-researched feeling that joke stealing among comedians one of those things where ‘good artists borrow, great artists steal’ is applied. In the sense that it wouldn’t matter if Schumer stole a joke as long as she made her telling of it an absolute firecracker. But clearly the consensus is she fucked it.
 
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I hate mid fight power ups.

There's a frequently used and abused trope, used especially in anime and manga, where the hero will be completely outmatched by the villain and get their teeth kicked in during the initial phases of the fight. Eventually, bloody and bruised, and enjoying the blurring sensation of consciousness fading from their hemorrhaged brain, they will suddenly suddenly realize a vast wealth of untapped power awakened by rage at the death of a dear friend/relative, or by an urgent desire to protect, or even simply at their sheer determination and unwillingness to accept defeat. They will rise up, stronger, faster, and more clear headed than before the fight began, maybe even with a new technique or ability, and overwhelmingly turn the tide of the battle.

This is just lazy writing, in my opinion. Introducing an overwhelmingly strong villain is an easy way to build tension in a show, and having the protagonist overcome, not through clever strategy, or tactics, or even intense and prolonged training, but by a last minute, arbitrary, and unearned power up just causes all that tension to instantly deflate, and me to roll my eyes. In any realistic concept of a fight, the more damage one takes, the less likely is victory. The opposite is so often true in anime, however, when it seems the surest way to success it to get beaten up for a while. It gets downright comical when this same scenario is repeated a number of times, or if the villain themselves have multiple transformations. Power becomes meaningless as each villain could effortlessly annihilate the last as if crushing an ant, and yet somehow there always remains enough untapped potential in our heroes to span any gulf, just as long as the plot requires them to succeed. Inevitably I begin to wonder why, if it so easy to become so unfathomably strong, why beings of such capability are so rare (until the next arc, that is, when the protagonist's hangers on all play catch up.)

Besides the cliched and tired use of this trope, and damage it causes to narrative tension, I think the biggest problem I have with it is that it contradicts my favorite fantasy concept: that anybody can achieve greatness with enough effort and perseverance. I love the idea that a person can rise up, set their mind on a goal and, regardless of their birth or circumstances, achieve it through their own determination. Often, shows will pay lip service to this concept, and then invalidate it by granting unquestionable superiority by right of their genetics or simply author fiat. It doesn't matter if Tenshinhan spends his entire life training, he will never be able to measure up to any Saiyan character.

I feel like I'm beginning to diverge into a tangential topic, however, so I will bring my commentary back on track with a couple examples. To make as many enemies as quickly as possible, let's start with Dragon Ball Z's Namek Arc. Before this point, Goku's success can largely be attributed to tactics, strategy, and diligent training, but power ups become the word of the day when faced against Freiza's forces. It's not even limited to Goku. Gohan and Kuririn get a power up from Guru, Piccolo gets a power up from Nail, and Vegeta gets zenkai power up after zenkai power up merely from nearly getting killed and being revived by magic or technology. It would be nice to be a part of a race that when suffering from a serious injury, instead of facing months of recuperation and rehabilitation and lifelong challenges, gets a massive power boost for no reason. Then there's the Super Saiyan transformation that ends the arc, which is a result of Goku becoming so angry he becomes a god. A long time could be spent comparing how satisfying this was as a narrative conclusion versus the conclusion of the Saiyan arc, but that's a topic for another post.

The finale of the first Season of The Legend of Korra falls firmly into this trope, by granting Korra mastery over airbending without needing to resolve any of those nasty mental hangups or even to grow at all as a character.

Lastly, the show that actually prompted me to make this thread: Yu Yu Hakusho. Yusuke leans on this trope so heavily that it's in danger of snapping under the weight. After finishing the show, I have the impression that at least half his fights, and all the major ones, consisted of Yusuke being kicked around until suddenly he discovered the determination deep within to unleash powers yet unseen. Sometimes this would happen multiple times in a single fight. It got to the point where I felt like it was literally impossible for Yusuke to lose, as he only got stronger the more he was beaten up. This is pushed to the point where he literally dies only to revive an episode later with such a tremendous power boost that the Spirit World's top elite are wetting themselves in terror. I don't know if I've ever seen, or will ever see again a show where it felt so much like fights were determined by author fiat, rather than the individual merits of the characters.

Well, there's also the fact that one of the earliest Disney movies where Katzenberg did get his way for the most part ended up nearly killing Disney animated films. The Black Cauldron.
That movie scarred me as a child.
 
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I hate mid fight power ups.

There's a frequently used and abused trope, used especially in anime and manga, where the hero will be completely outmatched by the villain and get their teeth kicked in during the initial phases of the fight. Eventually, bloody and bruised, and enjoying the blurring sensation of consciousness fading from their hemorrhaged brain, they will suddenly suddenly realize a vast wealth of untapped power awakened by rage at the death of a dear friend/relative, or by an urgent desire to protect, or even simply at their sheer determination and unwillingness to accept defeat. They will rise up, stronger, faster, and more clear headed than before the fight began, maybe even with a new technique or ability, and overwhelmingly turn the tide of the battle.
Oh yeah, that's really annoying. Why didn't you do that in the first place!?
 

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There's a frequently used and abused trope, used especially in anime and manga, where the hero will be completely outmatched by the villain and get their teeth kicked in during the initial phases of the fight. Eventually, bloody and bruised, and enjoying the blurring sensation of consciousness fading from their hemorrhaged brain, they will suddenly suddenly realize a vast wealth of untapped power awakened by rage at the death of a dear friend/relative, or by an urgent desire to protect, or even simply at their sheer determination and unwillingness to accept defeat. They will rise up, stronger, faster, and more clear headed than before the fight began, maybe even with a new technique or ability, and overwhelmingly turn the tide of the battle.

This is just lazy writing, in my opinion. Introducing an overwhelmingly strong villain is an easy way to build tension in a show, and having the protagonist overcome, not through clever strategy, or tactics, or even intense and prolonged training, but by a last minute, arbitrary, and unearned power up just causes all that tension to instantly deflate, and me to roll my eyes. In any realistic concept of a fight, the more damage one takes, the less likely is victory. The opposite is so often true in anime, however, when it seems the surest way to success it to get beaten up for a while. It gets downright comical when this same scenario is repeated a number of times, or if the villain themselves have multiple transformations. Power becomes meaningless as each villain could effortlessly annihilate the last as if crushing an ant, and yet somehow there always remains enough untapped potential in our heroes to span any gulf, just as long as the plot requires them to succeed. Inevitably I begin to wonder why, if it so easy to become so unfathomably strong, why beings of such capability are so rare (until the next arc, that is, when the protagonist's hangers on all play catch up.)
A lot of this is mainly a shounen genre issue, but it crops up sometimes in non-shounen anime every now and then.

Lastly, the show that actually prompted me to make this thread: Yu Yu Hakusho. Yusuke leans on this trope so heavily that it's in danger of snapping under the weight. After finishing the show, I have the impression that at least half his fights, and all the major ones, consisted of Yusuke being kicked around until suddenly he discovered the determination deep within to unleash powers yet unseen. Sometimes this would happen multiple times in a single fight. It got to the point where I felt like it was literally impossible for Yusuke to lose, as he only got stronger the more he was beaten up. This is pushed to the point where he literally dies only to revive an episode later with such a tremendous power boost that the Spirit World's top elite are wetting themselves in terror. I don't know if I've ever seen, or will ever see again a show where it felt so much like fights were determined by author fiat, rather than the individual merits of the characters.
Chapter Black is where this thing is at its worse. The Mazuko/Demonic bloodline is one of the biggest ass pulls in anime/manga history. Still, I don't hate YYH, and at least the anime adaption salvaged this somewhat and the anime has a much better ending/conclusion than the manga.
 

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Chapter Black is where this thing is at its worse. The Mazuko/Demonic bloodline is one of the biggest ass pulls in anime/manga history. Still, I don't hate YYH, and at least the anime adaption salvaged this somewhat and the anime has a much better ending/conclusion than the manga.
A lot of people really like YuYu Hakusho, but I don't really understand it. My initial impressions of the show were strong, but it fairly quickly devolved into a DBZ wannabe, and its desperation to become Dragon Ball seemed to increase with every season. You get the over-reliance on tournament arcs, Toguro powering up in percentages like Frieza, they even introduce battle power out of nowhere in the last season. This was really disappointing to me because I really don't like Dragon Ball Z, and YYH seemed to be promising a more character driven, mystery based series that it never delivered on. Keiko's role in the story in particular was just pathetic. The only reason she's there is to scream "Yusuke!" and to provide him with a reason to power up and win fights, but they have no chemistry, nothing in common, and Yusuke will never make her happy. Yusuke's only concern is himself and his emotions and desires. There will always be a new challenge for him to want to overcome, and he will always put Keiko aside to pursue it. She has no role to play in that part of his life, and it's the entirety of his life.

The last two arcs were really all over the place with ideas as well, and kept shifting goals and conflicts. In Chapter Black, we set up a new territory battle system and introduce a bunch of new protagonists, but territories don't have anything to do with the final conflict and the new protagonists don't actually do anything. Half way into the final fight with Sensui it's revealed that he has 7 different personalities, but this doesn't even matter and we only get to see 2 of them. For the whole arc everyone is fighting desperately to prevent a hole being opened to the demon realm, then during the fight Yusuke decides he doesn't care about any of that and just wants to fight Sensui (sorry Keiko, have fun becoming demon chow) and Kuwabara actually slices through the periphery field himself. Then it turns out that Sensui doesn't even care about the hole at all, so cutting through periphery field was completely meaningless to his plan because he actually just wants to die in the demon realm. Then it turns out that the hole is actually no big deal and the Spirit Realm SWAT team close it up in a couple of days, so why did Koenma waste 500 years of energy trying to prevent Sensui from opening the hole?

The Three Kings arc was just as bad, setting up a war arc and then deciding that actually that doesn't matter and we're just going to have another tournament instead. It was actually really bizarre because once Yusuke brings up the tournament, literally every demon in the show forgets about any previous characterization or motivation and turns into a pure battle maniac, who's only desire is to engage in honorable combat. We spend a ton of time on the previous losers from the Dark Tournament who obviously have no chance in this tournament because they were already losers at a much lower power level. There's a really unecessary subplot where Yomi clones a son and then beats him during the tournament that has nothing to do with anything. Then the tournament ends and we have a really sacharine ending where it turns out demons are good now and there's no need for the periphery field, and it doesn't matter that we've seen that the majority have no regard for humans, and most of them eat humans and die if they don't eat humans (or something?? It's really unclear). It doesn't matter, things will be perfect forever and precaution is now unecessary, despite a new ruler being determined every 3 years, which is actually no time at all considering the previous power structure stood for over 500 years, but whatever!

I watched the whole show because I mainly watch anime while running on the treadmill and despite its flaws YYH did manage to be exciting enough to help my workout. It's definitely not the masterpiece I was lead to expect, however.
 

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watched the whole show because I mainly watch anime while running on the treadmill and despite its flaws YYH did manage to be exciting enough to help my workout. It's definitely not the masterpiece I was lead to expect, however.
I never personally called it a masterpiece, though. I know you're not accusing me of that, but even at the time, I just considered the anime great. A grade B+, though looking at everything back now, more of a B-. Not much of a problem for me. Like I mentioned, the last two arcs sort of fall apart, but there are some nice character moments I enjoy that are specifically in the anime version. The final episode just felt really heartwarming to me, and it was just nice to see some anime end.

YYH does have the shounen DBZ problem, but it's honestly not the worst with this, and so much has gotten worse or has similar issues. It's why I dropped out of the genre when I did. I tried with One Punch Man, but I stopped caring after finishing the second season, and MHA i barely finished. At least it has a great conclusion over most shounen.
 
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I never personally called it a masterpiece, though. I know you're not accusing me of that, but even at the time, I just considered the anime great. A grade B+, looking at everything back now, more of a B-, but not much of a problem for me. Like I mentioned the last two arcs sort of fall apart, but there are some nice character moments.I enjoy that are specifically in the anime version. That in the final episode just felt really heartwarming to me, and it was just nice to see some anime end.

YYH does have the shounen DBZ problem, but it's honestly not the worst with this, and so much has gotten worse or has similar issues. It's why I dropped out of the genre when I did. I tried with One Punch Man, but I stopped caring after finishing the second season, and MHA i barely finished. At least it has a great conclusion over most shounen.
The bar for writing is definitely low with shounen, I won't argue with that.

Edit: Also I'm glad I only ever watched season one of One Punch Man. I thought it was phenomenal, but never got around to watching season 2. Looking up how bad everybody thinks season 2 and 3 are makes me feel like I dodged a bullet.
 
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I hate mid fight power ups.

There's a frequently used and abused trope, used especially in anime and manga, where the hero will be completely outmatched by the villain and get their teeth kicked in during the initial phases of the fight. Eventually, bloody and bruised, and enjoying the blurring sensation of consciousness fading from their hemorrhaged brain, they will suddenly suddenly realize a vast wealth of untapped power awakened by rage at the death of a dear friend/relative, or by an urgent desire to protect, or even simply at their sheer determination and unwillingness to accept defeat. They will rise up, stronger, faster, and more clear headed than before the fight began, maybe even with a new technique or ability, and overwhelmingly turn the tide of the battle.

This is just lazy writing, in my opinion. Introducing an overwhelmingly strong villain is an easy way to build tension in a show, and having the protagonist overcome, not through clever strategy, or tactics, or even intense and prolonged training, but by a last minute, arbitrary, and unearned power up just causes all that tension to instantly deflate, and me to roll my eyes. In any realistic concept of a fight, the more damage one takes, the less likely is victory. The opposite is so often true in anime, however, when it seems the surest way to success it to get beaten up for a while. It gets downright comical when this same scenario is repeated a number of times, or if the villain themselves have multiple transformations. Power becomes meaningless as each villain could effortlessly annihilate the last as if crushing an ant, and yet somehow there always remains enough untapped potential in our heroes to span any gulf, just as long as the plot requires them to succeed. Inevitably I begin to wonder why, if it so easy to become so unfathomably strong, why beings of such capability are so rare (until the next arc, that is, when the protagonist's hangers on all play catch up.)

Besides the cliched and tired use of this trope, and damage it causes to narrative tension, I think the biggest problem I have with it is that it contradicts my favorite fantasy concept: that anybody can achieve greatness with enough effort and perseverance. I love the idea that a person can rise up, set their mind on a goal and, regardless of their birth or circumstances, achieve it through their own determination. Often, shows will pay lip service to this concept, and then invalidate it by granting unquestionable superiority by right of their genetics or simply author fiat. It doesn't matter if Tenshinhan spends his entire life training, he will never be able to measure up to any Saiyan character.

I feel like I'm beginning to diverge into a tangential topic, however, so I will bring my commentary back on track with a couple examples. To make as many enemies as quickly as possible, let's start with Dragon Ball Z's Namek Arc. Before this point, Goku's success can largely be attributed to tactics, strategy, and diligent training, but power ups become the word of the day when faced against Freiza's forces. It's not even limited to Goku. Gohan and Kuririn get a power up from Guru, Piccolo gets a power up from Nail, and Vegeta gets zenkai power up after zenkai power up merely from nearly getting killed and being revived by magic or technology. It would be nice to be a part of a race that when suffering from a serious injury, instead of facing months of recuperation and rehabilitation and lifelong challenges, gets a massive power boost for no reason. Then there's the Super Saiyan transformation that ends the arc, which is a result of Goku becoming so angry he becomes a god. A long time could be spent comparing how satisfying this was as a narrative conclusion versus the conclusion of the Saiyan arc, but that's a topic for another post.

The finale of the first Season of The Legend of Korra falls firmly into this trope, by granting Korra mastery over airbending without needing to resolve any of those nasty mental hangups or even to grow at all as a character.

Lastly, the show that actually prompted me to make this thread: Yu Yu Hakusho. Yusuke leans on this trope so heavily that it's in danger of snapping under the weight. After finishing the show, I have the impression that at least half his fights, and all the major ones, consisted of Yusuke being kicked around until suddenly he discovered the determination deep within to unleash powers yet unseen. Sometimes this would happen multiple times in a single fight. It got to the point where I felt like it was literally impossible for Yusuke to lose, as he only got stronger the more he was beaten up. This is pushed to the point where he literally dies only to revive an episode later with such a tremendous power boost that the Spirit World's top elite are wetting themselves in terror. I don't know if I've ever seen, or will ever see again a show where it felt so much like fights were determined by author fiat, rather than the individual merits of the characters.

That movie scarred me as a child.
One of the mid-fight power ups I liked because there was a narrative reason, though like all Shonen anime it eventually succumbed to pulling from the arse, was in the first season or two of Bleach. Because the primary character getting the power ups - Ichigo - is unfamiliar with the power he's using AND a big part of that power is expressed through the swords which are themselves spiritual beings with wills of their own so can refuse to grant that power if they think the wielder wasn't up to snuff.
 
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I just watched The Goonies with my mother and niece, it's extremely overrated. I was the only one who sat through the entire movie, my mother checked out after an hour and a half of children screaming non-stop. Finding the treasure was kind of fun, but man does the movie not earn any of the emotional payoffs in its ending. I didn't completely hate it, but I really don't understand how everyone considers this a masterpiece.
 
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I just watched The Goonies with my mother and niece, it's extremely overrated. I was the only one who sat through the entire movie, my mother checked out after an hour and a half of children screaming non-stop. Finding the treasure was kind of fun, but man does the movie not earn any of the emotional payoffs in its ending. I didn't completely hate it, but I really don't understand how everyone considers this a masterpiece.
I always found this one of the more boring child adventure movies. If you didn't grow up in the 80s or wasn't enthralled to begin with around that time, then it really has nothing going on, except people referencing it back in the 2000s.
 

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I had a fun time with it, personally. Partially because I actually quite liked the connection between Sloth and Chunk, and I was also surprised that Robert Davi has a strong opera voice. I will say it's not necessarily the "everyone must see it" classic that it's held up as, but I still enjoyed it.
 
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I had a fun time with it, personally. Partially because I actually quite liked the connection between Sloth and Chunk, and I was also surprised that Robert Davi has a strong opera voice. I will say it's not necessarily the "everyone must see it" classic that it's held up as, but I still enjoyed it.
The resolution between Sloth and Chunk is nice, but, like nearly every resolution in the movie, it's almost entirely unearned. There's about 5 minutes of screen time between them and their relationship goes from 'we're chained up in chairs together and I'm scared of you' to 'I love you Sloth, and I'm going to adopt you!' over the course of an hour or two. The movie just divides its attention between too many kids and too many plot threads to give anything the set up it needs. Not to mention the majority of the film isn't spent developing its characters or plot, but rather watching kids talk over each other incessantly.

A couple of years ago I saw just the ending of the film (right around where they find the treasure onwards) with my cousin and thought it seemed like a good movie. So watching the movie from the start, I already had an idea where it would go and was disappointed to find that there isn't a lot of progression between the start and the end. Also, I thought there was a gay relationship in the movie that really surprised me, but this time I learned that the short haired girl was actually a girl.
 
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. Also, I thought there was a gay relationship in the movie that really surprised me, but this time I learned that the short haired girl was actually a girl.
That is not the film's fault, and I don't know what you were expecting. It's an American kids movie from the 80s; that was never going to happen. Even as kids, my big bro and I could tell the short haired girl is actually a girl.
 

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That is not the film's fault, and I don't know what you were expecting. It's an American kids movie from the 80s; that was never going to happen. Even as kids, my big bro and I could tell the short haired girl is actually a girl.
I wasn't complaining. I was saying I was surprised that there was a gay relationship and it turned out to not be the case. I didn't attach any values to the statement.

Did your big bro and you also only see the very end of the movie? Because I don't think it's unreasonable to only look at this scene and not immediately catch that the one on the left is a girl:

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And the scene actually comes completely out of nowhere after watching the entire film. I don't think Stef saved Mouth anywhere in the film and they have next to no interaction.
 

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Did your big bro and you also only see the very end of the movie?
It's been years, but we've mainly see Goonies from beginning to end a majority of the time. That said, we never cared much for it, and we care more about Mighty Ducks, 3 Ninjas, Bebe Kids, Gremlins, Land Before Time, and Home Alone than The Goonies. That's really still on you though.