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What the fuck do any of those posts have to do with covering coughs and sneezes?
Think about it for a microsecond, and you may figure out what face masks have to do with covering coughs and sneezes.
 

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Or you can think about it for a microsecond and figure out that people accomplished the task just fine without masks...
People have accompished bathing without showers.

Does this mean showers are completely ineffective for washing oneself?
 

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People have accompished bathing without showers.

Does this mean showers are completely ineffective for washing oneself?
Stay on point, you said upper respiratory infections commonly transmit at places like grocery stores. You used how much viral particles are in a sneeze as evidence towards this. I said people already cover sneezes and colds don't transmit via sneezes. You have no actual evidence saying going to a grocery is at all risky in terms of catching a cold.
 

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This seems to be of interest for some stupid reason


Colds are highly contagious. They most often spread through droplets of fluid from an infected person sneezing or coughing. These droplets can enter your body through breathing them in or touching a contaminated surface then touching your eyes, nose or mouth.
 
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This seems to be of interest for some stupid reason

Just use basic common sense. Why is it that droplet-based diseases spread far far more slowly than airborne diseases? The most common common cold is the rhinovirus and that's airborne, it doesn't need you coughing and sneezing to spread itself. In fact, when you are usually at the coughing stage of a cold, you are over it and no longer contagious. Also, if you think coughing is so bad for the spread of diseases, why don't you teach people how to not go through a coughing phase during a cold? After having a cold one time and having a post-infectious cough for like 2 months, I looked up how to completely eliminate having the coughing phase when I get sick.


You first. Answer the question, and it may elucidate for you why face coverings are related to covering one's face.
You never admitted you were wrong from 4 months ago, you're way way before me.
 

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You never admitted you were wrong from 4 months ago, you're way way before me.
As i said: you'll be waiting a long time, since you've still provided nothing new on that question.

But on the question we're discussing now, whether covering one's sneezes and coughs limits transmission, you've changed your view! Congrats!
 
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The only noteworthy exception seems to be Italy's Meloni. So far there's been no news of her being personally corrupt and in foreign matters she seems to be doing her duty.
Didn't she try to fuck with the court system of Italy somehow, but it was voted out in a referendum? I think she was also backing Orban to win the election.

But yes, by comparison she's not as much a slimey, disgusting fascist piece of shit.
 

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Didn't she try to fuck with the court system of Italy somehow, but it was voted out in a referendum? I think she was also backing Orban to win the election.

But yes, by comparison she's not as much a slimey, disgusting fascist piece of shit.
Meloni comes across relatively well because she's perhaps a lot more savvy than many other right-wing leaders. She totally is rigging Italian institutions (e.g. media control) in her advantage where she can, but is more careful and quiet about it. Then in a lot of high visibility ways she is conspicuously reasonable: for instance, on EU matters she acts very co-operatively, despite things like her support for Orban. Of course, I wonder whether Orban was useful to her because he fights battles she might like fought, so that she doesn't have to take the flak instead.
 

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Didn't she try to fuck with the court system of Italy somehow, but it was voted out in a referendum? I think she was also backing Orban to win the election.

But yes, by comparison she's not as much a slimey, disgusting fascist piece of shit.
Well I didn't say she was good. Just not personally looting the treasury or deepthroating Putin like Orban.
 

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"I know more about god than this guy" says thing that became Catholic for political capital like five years ago.
What political capital does being Catholic in a majority Protestant country even give you?
 

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it doesn't need you coughing and sneezing to spread itself.
right, it could also be talking, laughing, singing, breathing...

whether something is strictly necessary to accomplish some result is usually a lot less important than whether something will make a result more likely. putting more virus into the air makes it more likely that the virus will find a host. catching it in a mask (is that even what people are arguing about at this point?) makes it less likely that it will find a host. The fewer bits of virus that make contact with a host, the less likely that host is to contract the disease. (If all it took was one particle of whatever to contract a disease we'd all be sick all the time with everything.)
 

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What political capital does being Catholic in a majority Protestant country even give you?
Firstly, you want to be some stripe of Christian, because even the wrong type of Christian is better than all the alternatives.

Next, Catholicism and some Protestant sects (mostly established European ones - Episcopalian and Methodist from UK, Calvinist/Lutheran from continental Europe) are good establishment picks, giving off vibes of being respectable, responsible. In contrast, many evangelical sects give off a toxic vibe of crazy which could scare off a big chunk of voters.

Next, synergies in beliefs. Episcopalians tend to be liberal, vibes of New England affluence, where Catholicism perhaps more readily fits with conservatism. It just looks awkward when you're talking about banning abortion and immigrants when your church says they're okay.

Then situational stuff. From a political side, maybe some of Vance's major backers or local powerbrokers in his area were Catholic, or a key chunk of his state electorate. From a personal side, maybe it was because plenty of his friends were...or even he just genuinely liked Catholicism.

But my tendency is to be incredibly skeptical of politicians who convert prior to seeking high public office. Whether that's converting from agnosticism, atheism, a less electorally favourable religion or sect, or just discovering a love and attachment to their nominal religion that they'd mostly ignored for the previous 20 years.
 

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Firstly, you want to be some stripe of Christian, because even the wrong type of Christian is better than all the alternatives.
Depending on the time and place at least.
''Better Turkish than Papal!'' was a pretty common phrase in the Netherlands.

What political capital does being Catholic in a majority Protestant country even give you?
Well Catholics are more united. Protestands tend to have various streams that consider each other outright heritics and are then prone to split even further. And as Agema said the Catholic reputation is less damaged compared to the Evengalical protestant groups that are openly parading how they got taken over by complete freaks.
 

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Depending on the time and place at least.
''Better Turkish than Papal!'' was a pretty common phrase in the Netherlands.
Sure. And now plenty of Turks (well, mostly Moroccans I think) are in the Netherlands, turns out they prefer the Pope.
 

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As i said: you'll be waiting a long time, since you've still provided nothing new on that question.

But on the question we're discussing now, whether covering one's sneezes and coughs limits transmission, you've changed your view! Congrats!
You've never provided proof on your claim...

I never said covering sneezes/coughs was stupid...

right, it could also be talking, laughing, singing, breathing...

whether something is strictly necessary to accomplish some result is usually a lot less important than whether something will make a result more likely. putting more virus into the air makes it more likely that the virus will find a host. catching it in a mask (is that even what people are arguing about at this point?) makes it less likely that it will find a host. The fewer bits of virus that make contact with a host, the less likely that host is to contract the disease. (If all it took was one particle of whatever to contract a disease we'd all be sick all the time with everything.)
Yes, that's how you get sick from common colds, just being in the same room for a prolonged period with people that are sick and they are doing normal things like talking, laughing, breathing (singing not so much obviously). I'd rather be next to someone coughing than someone with a sore throat, sniffles, fever because the coughing phase of a cold is after you've beaten it and are no longer contagious. Plus, when was the last time you were actually coughed on, that doesn't happen outside of kids. It makes no sense that you'd be catching colds from people coughing on you.

The randomized trials (Cochrane review both before and after covid) say masking does very little to nothing at all (especially cloth masks). I can see the mask delaying the spread (holding back the spread) for maybe 5-15mins but being in the same room with family, friends, coworkers for a prolonged period, it's not really going to have any affect as you will be breathing/talking/etc and the viral particles will flow outside the mask rather quickly and fill the area very similarly than if you didn't have a mask on.