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strong opinions are not a religion.
When you can't convince someone they are wrong with facts, it's a religion.

when I like at Trump's cult I certainly can't argue there.
Both sides are cults...

Trump's strategy was 'Let God deal with it'. If you died, God declared you deserved it. Trump is rich and healthy, which means he does deserve it

This was the exact approach to COVID. See also anti-vaxxers. Vaccines are an unnatural, ungodly process that let people circumvent God's plan
It was literally called the "Trump vaccine"...
 

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Like democratic voters refusing to be convinced most of their policies make things worse.
Is that why blue states are funding the red states? And why Democratic presidents seem to rank far higher than their counterparts? Its not Obama Clinton and Biden who bungle at the absolute bottom like Trump and Bush do.

Also its a stretch to assume Republican policies don't make global warming and wealth equality worse since they do those things by design.

Republicans weren't the sensible, competent rulers in the Bush era and they only got worse from there. And despite its Reagan who introduced the systems plaguing us you can argue its Clinton that ahem...''perfected'' it.

For your statement to be true Republican administrations should have a far better track record then their competition, rather than an abysmally worse one.
 

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Is that why blue states are funding the red states? And why Democratic presidents seem to rank far higher than their counterparts? Its not Obama Clinton and Biden who bungle at the absolute bottom like Trump and Bush do.

Also its a stretch to assume Republican policies don't make global warming and wealth equality worse since they do those things by design.
I don't care about rankings. Trump term 1 was definitely better than Biden's term.

When the option is between fossil fuels and wind/solar, then fossil fuels is the better option for the present. If the democrats were for nuclear power plants, which is greener than wind/solar, I'd be against the republicans. Look at how Britain has the highest energy costs among its peers.
 

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I don't care about rankings. Trump term 1 was definitely better than Biden's term.

When the option is between fossil fuels and wind/solar, then fossil fuels is the better option for the present. If the democrats were for nuclear power plants, which is greener than wind/solar, I'd be against the republicans. Look at how Britain has the highest energy costs among its peers.
You know you're saying that you're saying this in a time when the entire world economy can be derailed because a loony damagogue starts a war that causes a shipping lane to get blockaded?

More investment in green energy means less trouble from the loony war. I could get the argument that the best system is a hybrid one between the two, but Republicans are crystal clear about not wanting this either.
 

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I don't think we should draw much conclusion from Trump depicting himself as Jesus. Its all on brand in that typical insane way, but I actually suspect Trump stopped writing his own social media posts ages ago. Its likely now handled by a staffer who's larping as Trump and outright tries to be as unhinged as possible to sell the act.
 

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I don't think we should draw much conclusion from Trump depicting himself as Jesus.
Yes, it's completely trivial, although it is funny.

Whilst minor, it is evidence of several things. Firstly, it joins a tranche of evidence that suggests Trump is not religious, he just sometimes pretends to be for votes. Secondly, how he can have remarkably poor judgement. The two are connected here: suffice to say that a major contributor to Trump's lack of judgement on what the religious might find objectionable is his lack of religiosity. Thirdly, he's a narcissist.
 

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You know you're saying that you're saying this in a time when the entire world economy can be derailed because a loony damagogue starts a war that causes a shipping lane to get blockaded?

More investment in green energy means less trouble from the loony war. I could get the argument that the best system is a hybrid one between the two, but Republicans are crystal clear about not wanting this either.
Oil prices going up a bit is not derailing the entire world economy. If term 1 Trump is better than Biden and then Trump is running against Biden's VP Kamala (that is more of the same), why would people vote for Kamala?

Ask Britain that, ask Germany that (Germany got rid of nuclear and went back to coal...). Britain's loony green left imposed tariffs on themselves. They got rid of a lot of manufacturing to lower their country's carbon footprint. However, people still need/want those things and now they are being made in other countries that use dirtier energy to make them. Thus, that has cause more carbon to be released on a worldwide level and makes the climate change worse, not better. And then Britain imposed taxes on products that are made from dirty energy so now people are paying more money to buy products that use dirtier energy than if Britain didn't do anything. How are Trump's tariffs worse than Britain's dumbass energy policy that essentially does the same thing while also polluting the world more? At least Trump's tariffs make sense long-term, though those benefits will never happen because the next administration will mostly likely just do an Edit-Undo (Ctrl-Z) on all that so it will just result in higher prices for no reason.
 
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If term 1 Trump is better than Biden and then Trump is running against Biden's VP Kamala (that is more of the same), why would people vote for Kamala?
That's a bit if considering the constant chaos, democratic backsliding and a deliberately mishandled pandemic. The kindest thing you can say is that the global environment was easier during Trump's first term since he missed out on the post covid price disruption.

All the things you see in Trump's second term were reasons to vote for Harris. Things that could have been seen coming a mile away by just anyone yet somehow American voters were too idiotic to spot it. And now they're stuck with Trump due to their unforced error.
 

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That's a bit if considering the constant chaos, democratic backsliding and a deliberately mishandled pandemic. The kindest thing you can say is that the global environment was easier during Trump's first term since he missed out on the post covid price disruption.

All the things you see in Trump's second term were reasons to vote for Harris. Things that could have been seen coming a mile away by just anyone yet somehow American voters were too idiotic to spot it. And now they're stuck with Trump due to their unforced error.
Democrats mishandled the pandemic more. Trump was right about most big things with the pandemic, his administration got the vaccine going (which was by far the most important thing to be done), he was right about keeping schools open (democrats closed them and that was extremely harmful), he said wear a mask if you want (there shouldn't have been any mask mandates) and that was the right thing to say. He did compare covid to the flu early on but so did democrats so I don't see how Hillary winning in 2016 would've changed the early handling of the pandemic. Anyone in charge in the US would've had to do major major things (that would've been massively unpopular and it was an election year) in January to have made any significant impact on the spread of covid early on.

I don't think you realize with how bad the Biden administration was, I knew the election was over in like May/April, it was quite obvious. Anyone not seeing that was just sticking their head in the sand and ignoring things.

So no comment about how shit left policies can make things worse when I given you exactly what has happened in Britain? You all think people that don't vote for democrats are idiots and don't know anything and there's no valid reason to not vote for them. There's very much very real and logical reasons to not vote for democrats because they make policy that makes things worse quite often. What's going on in Britain is what people don't want to happen, Britain's been getting poorer for a couple decades now.
 

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Even Satan and the Anti-Christ would tell Trump to fuck off and make him suffer.
I mean Satan is supposed to be THE DECEIVER, and Antichrist is supposed to win the hearts of the in the entire world.

I think they will probably tell Trump to fuck off in the sense that he is really undermining, stereotying, and honestly insulting the work that they would bring, or are doing.

....Not that neither would mind taking more people to eternal suffering with them
 
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I mean Satan is supposed to be THE DECEIVER, and Antichrist is supposed to win the hearts of the in the entire world.
Come now. Trump saw that picture and thought it portrayed him as a doctor, because who doesn't imagine doctors as wearing shapeless, loose white robes with a red cloak, laying a gentle hand on someone's forehead with glowing orb in the other?

And so as Trump had to point out, he, "didn't want to have anybody be confused. People were confused". The issue here isn't Trump, it's us. You're confused. I'm confused. All those other people who thought he looked religious are confused: we're all the dum-dums here.

But thankfully Trump, with his patience of a saint and Christ-like compassion, took pity upon us and made the ultimate sacrifice of taking down his social media post so we would not have to suffer.
 

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Seems like Vance once again proved to be a piece of filth, with that vermin saying boosting Russia against Ukraine was among the things he's most proud of. You know, that barbaric hellhole that kidnaps, tortures and murders every Ukrainian they can find.
 

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Seems like Vance once again proved to be a piece of filth, with that vermin saying boosting Russia against Ukraine was among the things he's most proud of. You know, that barbaric hellhole that kidnaps, tortures and murders every Ukrainian they can find.
Sure. I guess they had to make savings somewhere so they could waste billions in military support to Israel so it can commit war crimes, waste billions more bombing Iran to achieve (so far) no strategic advantage, and cause an oil shock costing itself, its people and others billions vastly more?

Next, there's the fundamental lack of coherence implicit in policy. Is the USA for Ukraine or against or neutral? Why is it sanctioning Russia on the one hand and then impairing Ukraine's ability to fight on the other? Why not properly declare neutrality, remove its sanctions from Russia, and freely sell arms to Ukraine that Europe pays for?
 
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