Mixtape; Ovehated piece of art! Now where's the gameplay?
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Ah see I'm just a little too old for Silverchair. I was in college already, and that college was in a small town so we were isolated, away from any "scene." I had musician friends and we were crate digging for Frank Zappa and jazz fusion and prog metal and god knows whatever other pretentious bullshit.
I guess playing a game as a pretentious music shit was the least "role playing" I've ever had to do in a game hahah.
So it turns out that Mixtape was made by Annapurna Interactive, run by a woman named Megan Ellison who's father is mega billionaire Larry Ellison. Megan originally made a string of films that all flopped in the box office and is now running a games company that also makes flopped games that sell way underbudget.
Which really adds to the idea of major review outlets being "paid off". Journalistic integrity doesn't mean shit and apparently never did. So long as you dont criticize the wrong people you can be successful. Promote and praise what they want you to praise and never talk back against it.
Which really adds to the idea of major review outlets being "paid off". Journalistic integrity doesn't mean shit and apparently never did. So long as you dont criticize the wrong people you can be successful. Promote and praise what they want you to praise and never talk back against it.
Again, nothing new here and they've been doing that shit with Activision, Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft, etc. The sexist/racist grifters and rage baiters aren't much better and significantly worse. They claim to not be sell outs, but they've more than happily taken money from those corporations I just mentioned either under the table or sponsored them within the same breath.So long as the narrative fits.
She can make whatever game she wants, so long she doesn't go after and hurt people. I've heard not much else otherwise about the lady or who her father is. Her origin is negligible to the overall game. Considering how well it's doing, I really wouldn't call it a flop. I'm not saying to trust her a million percent, but let's not jump to conclusions. You admitted, you're not even interested in the game yet, you u keep running back here, trying to find some dirt or whatever.
You have an obsession, and you just don't want to admit it. If this game have failed or fit the narrative, you wanted, you wouldn't have bothered otherwise. I know you are burned hard by that crappy dinosaur game, but that's why you don't follow people who will just use whatever politics to screw any over. Now if I remember correctly, you didn't follow them, because of that, so I will give you that. Yet she and her team turned out a better game than they ever could, because she wasn't lying about what it is and admitted it's an adventure game from the start.
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Ah, I was wondering when the faux-nepobaby-outrage would crop up.
Yeah, fuck Annapurna, the publisher of shit games like... *checks notes*... Outer Wilds, and Neon White. And What Remains of Edith Finch, the game that Mixtape is most compared to.
Hypothesis: all the online grifters feigning outrage over nepobaby Ellison were until recently applauding and celebrating nepobaby in chief.
Yeah, fuck Annapurna, the publisher of shit games like... *checks notes*... Outer Wilds, and Neon White. And What Remains of Edith Finch, the game that Mixtape is most compared to.
Hypothesis: all the online grifters feigning outrage over nepobaby Ellison were until recently applauding and celebrating nepobaby in chief.
Ohh, yeah, I just looked it up too and none of those games I wouldn't really call failures. Especially Neon White.
It's all they ever do.
I played this game yesterday on my gameplay sub and I dont think I played what you guys played.
This game is awful. Im sorry. The writing is bad, the plot makes no sense, the animation hurts my eyes, I dont understand what the hell everyone is playing.
My only guess is that the music is enough to carry the game for you because that is really all Mixtape offers.
The big issue is the writing. The dialog is not written by anyone who lived through the 90s. All the dialog is very modern terminology and for a game that is trying to portray a particular era dialog is hugely important in this. There is no "Radical", "Tubular", "Sick", nothing. I mean fuck dude they dont even get the skateboarding terms right they are called Kickflips not flip tricks for gods sake.
Also Stacy's headphones are magic. There was no Bluetooth wireless headphones in the 90s. Stupid game. Stupid stupid game. Stacy is also just a twat, for no reason instantly hating Jenny who does nothing to her except not like music properly and kind of likes Slater who Stacy brushes off in the end anyway!
And thats the thing for me. The story doesnt go anywhere. The characters dont develop, they dont grow through learned experiences within the games story, they just are rock solid in who they are and that never changes throughout the game except arguably Cassandra who just rebels because....but also learns that Stacy is a twat and distances herself from her overtime. Stacy ultimately is just kind of a rotten and bad influence on Cassandra at the end of the day.
I dunno I didn't like the game and found the story uninteresting so I started to notice random annoying things like Stacy's wireless headphones and crap like that.
This game is awful. Im sorry. The writing is bad, the plot makes no sense, the animation hurts my eyes, I dont understand what the hell everyone is playing.
My only guess is that the music is enough to carry the game for you because that is really all Mixtape offers.
The big issue is the writing. The dialog is not written by anyone who lived through the 90s. All the dialog is very modern terminology and for a game that is trying to portray a particular era dialog is hugely important in this. There is no "Radical", "Tubular", "Sick", nothing. I mean fuck dude they dont even get the skateboarding terms right they are called Kickflips not flip tricks for gods sake.
Also Stacy's headphones are magic. There was no Bluetooth wireless headphones in the 90s. Stupid game. Stupid stupid game. Stacy is also just a twat, for no reason instantly hating Jenny who does nothing to her except not like music properly and kind of likes Slater who Stacy brushes off in the end anyway!
And thats the thing for me. The story doesnt go anywhere. The characters dont develop, they dont grow through learned experiences within the games story, they just are rock solid in who they are and that never changes throughout the game except arguably Cassandra who just rebels because....but also learns that Stacy is a twat and distances herself from her overtime. Stacy ultimately is just kind of a rotten and bad influence on Cassandra at the end of the day.
I dunno I didn't like the game and found the story uninteresting so I started to notice random annoying things like Stacy's wireless headphones and crap like that.
So when the hell AREN'T they being paid off?! Is this a selective thing, with any game from a billion dollar company, or just all games? Because these accusations only seem to crop up when it involves a game that a group of people is pissed off at for being praised/awarded. There's never an instance of a game that was unanimously praised (Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3) where it turns out a bunch of review outlets were paid off. It ONLY gets brought up in regards to games that a certain percentage has taken a set against, by said percentage. Which pretty much tells you everything right there.
So yeah, people (really) don't like something others do, therefor their brains shortcircui-.. uh I mean, those people who praise it are obviously being paid off.
A friend of mine introduced me to them in 96, I'll admit I was a bit sceptical with their age (or just jealous they were younger but far more accomplished than me, lol) but I had to admit Frogstomp had some good tunes, Israel's son being my favourite.
I didn't know they had a 3rd album, once I dropped out of uni in 98 I drifted in and out of touch with most of the world for a good few years.
Now, I've not played it, and very unlikely to, so I can't comment to quality but this kind of illustrates why I don't play heavily story and character based games. If you don't gel with the story and characters, you got nothing.
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Also to chime in on the review thing. I think it is pretty stupid to praise a game for its soundtrack when it is just licensed music. The developers didnt make it.
Praise final fantasy 14 for its music. Because the creators of the game actually made it. Praise expedition 33.
But for a game that just bought smashing pumpkins songs? Not fair. Of course pop hits from the 90s are going to be good. It like being praised for using cheat codes.
Am I taking crazy pills?
Praise final fantasy 14 for its music. Because the creators of the game actually made it. Praise expedition 33.
But for a game that just bought smashing pumpkins songs? Not fair. Of course pop hits from the 90s are going to be good. It like being praised for using cheat codes.
Am I taking crazy pills?
Yes, you are. Having the right song playing at the right time in a licensed soundtrack is just as worthy of praise as managing to specifically write a song for a particular moment, IMO. The two skill sets can't really be directly compared, but neither is worthy of scorn or praise just by concept, IMO.
As an action game dev and gamer who doesn't play bullshit like this, I see absolutely no value in engaging with this game, nor its discourse. I highly doubt anybody who is currently shitting on this game is willing to try anything outside of what they're already familiar with anyways, just seems like a shitty ass game that people want to hate on, just so they could bring up old political drama.
It's a waste of time, and I'd rather just bury this garbage and move on to better things. It's honestly kinda annoying people would rather just take a whole ass week to hate on something for clout and clicks than to engage with something they actually like and is awesome. Shows the mentality of a lot of people who are just chronically online.
It's a waste of time, and I'd rather just bury this garbage and move on to better things. It's honestly kinda annoying people would rather just take a whole ass week to hate on something for clout and clicks than to engage with something they actually like and is awesome. Shows the mentality of a lot of people who are just chronically online.
Because most people like them a poser with no real job nor life, and know nothing else. They're a misery onto themselves, any medium/media, and to those they "engage" with. Fuck them all indeed.
Where's my Bobby Brown's Humpin Around. It ain't a 90s nostalgia without some hip-hop or New Jack Swing?/sarcasm
A little, yeah. The whole point is to evoke the 90s era of making mix-tapes, something I remember doing myself, and capturing that vibe successfully by choosing the right songs and putting them in the right place is a skill in and of itself. Is it as masterful as composing wholly new music? Of course not; but Final Fantasy and Expedition 33 are explicitly fantasy games that require a mood and feeling and a sound all their own. Mixtape is explicitly set in reality and the music must reflect that; like hearing "Freak" is going to elicit a very visceral response because its a real song with real history and connects the listener to a fixed point in time, possibly in their own life. A newly created track won't do that even if the song itself is great.
Pretty much, yeah. It's a John Hughes coming of age teen drama, but mid to late 90s Northern California instead of 80s Chicago, some anachronisms aside.
Tell that to movies like The Royal Tenenbaums, The Big Lebowski, Dazed and Confused, Fantastic Mr. Fox, and Drive.
It is not consistent to claim that a lot of people go to IGN and Gamespot for reviews, and then also claim that the reviews fail to serve their audience. Sites that fail their audience will gradually die. Maybe IGN and Gamespot know and serve their audience a lot better than you suppose.
Caveat emptor.
The law might regulate for health and safety, false advertising and the most egregious scams, but beyond that It is the responsibility of the purchaser to do due diligence before they buy. We can have limited sympathy for people who buy a product with minimal research. It is genuinely insane to blame a review site because some of their readers couldn't be bothered checking out the product well.
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Having played Mixtape, I've gone and read the IGN and Gamespot reviews about it. They're more impressed than I am and maybe wax poetic a bit, but otherwise paint a pretty accurate picture about waht Mixtape is. I suppose someone can read them and walk away with the wrong idea, but that would say some rather unkind things about their reading comprension.
If I'm honest, I think there's a certain degree of this just comes from reflexive dislike of big players - whether review sites, publishers, devs, anyone - and equivalent lionisation of minnows and indies. Suspicion/envy of the successful and powerful? Contrarianism? Whatever. But I guess if anyone's getting unfairly punched, better the big players more able to take it.
Which shows that they're still full of anger and rage.And take it out on people who don't deserve it, and never learned to read a day in their life.
And that's what separates me from those type of people. As much problem as I have with professional game journalists, I don't let it rule my life. Regardless of how they feel or how honest they are.I'm knocking, it mad over them like making. I'm not interested in or don't like. Nor would I go out of my way to harass and harm. The grifters I find so much worse.
@Old_Hunter_77, i read your hot take and I a million percent agree with you. I consider games, that's hard even if some of them are just "product". Those same fools who hate on art are the exact same fools back in southern generation that got mad when Ebert didn't consider games art and threaten the guy with death threats and harassed him. He only took a second opinion after all the harassment which was unnecessary. I never like the guy, but he never deserved that. The same will clutch art when it's only a game they care about, or when it's a "real gamers game/manly game"! When it's a game, they dislike all of a sudden, it's just product or too artsy for its own good. They're hypocritical shits who can ever commit to anything or change for the sake of convenience and the narrative. They're just cowards hiding behind whatever to excuse their shit personalities and behavior.