US 2024 Presidential Election
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Rubio boasted that 83% of USAID operations were terminated. Not restructured or reshuffled, terminated.
He never provided a full list, and neither did DOGE. But 80% would be >5,000 contracts. And we have the FAO telling you it included the ones we're talking about.
Much of USAID's work is done through funding to other, internationally-run programs. The GHS is the umbrella under which the USAID provided funding to many of them. They were, nonetheless, operated by other organisations like the FAO.
Recall, the Trump administration also demanded all USAID staff abroad return to the US, and placed hundreds on administrative leave.
I can't tell what the FAO is telling me, as their phrasing read at face value is incorrect.
Only about 20% of USAID was health related, and only a fraction of that is in the Americas, and only a fraction of that is animal related. Easily small enough to fit in the remaining 17%, probably less than 1%. To quote Rubio: "Foreign assistance programs that align with administration policies—and which advance American interests—will be administered by the State Department."
So they took the programs USAID would be doing, with or without the FAO, and moved them into a different agency in the state department, provided they advance American interests, which this does. All you know is that FAO didn't get a check. Also worth reiterating, that check the prior few years did not prevent to movement of NWS.
Please point out where I said in my post that you just quoted that has anything to do with ICE detainers themselves being unconstitutional or where I said that you are claiming ICE detainers themselves are unconstitutional? Because I never said any of that.
Its still so funny Trump ruined the reflection pool. It shows that no issue is small enough for Trump to ruin. It does not matter if its something as giant as geopolitics or as small as a pool, the moment Trump gives it his personal attention its going to face rot and ruin.
But it also shows that Trump is not even good at being an autocrat. These little vanity projects are meant to show strength of the regime but whether its the ballroom , the victory arch without a victory to celebrate or now the pool , it all just shows the weakness and incompetence of the regime.
But it also shows that Trump is not even good at being an autocrat. These little vanity projects are meant to show strength of the regime but whether its the ballroom , the victory arch without a victory to celebrate or now the pool , it all just shows the weakness and incompetence of the regime.
And he will, without fail, find someone else to blame for it, and punish them. And his supporters will cheer, because they just want to see people be punished.
Right there: "The point of the matter is that people today are held due to ICE detainers meaning doing that is not considered universally unconstitutional".
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A pat that is annoying me to no ends part is he called it a ballroom. Why not called it a conference room because some of the logic makes sense. The US White House is to small, but he couldn't help himself.
Also I don't personally like naming, building, and generally narcissism legacy stuff that autocrats love, but other people are suppose to these things for you, not yourself. If you do it yourself, it's very sad
Ah, a statement vague enough to include or exclude whatever they want at discretion. DOGE cut hundreds of millions in funding that inexperienced near-teenagers had decided didn't fit with the administration's priorities.
You genuinely just accept whatever they say at face value, don't you?
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There's also the question of what is verifiably happening in reality. Hard to imagine having a issue be known as urgent in 2024, have $100 million + extra funding passed is Novemeber, have DOGE tear up the programs in March, but then finish awarding the bids to build new facilities with that extra funds in June. There are several US agencies more involved in this issue that haven't shown any sign of hiccups, there are multiple international organizations more involved than the FAO, none of them reported issues. Every other avenue you can approach this from shows efforts to push back screwworm accelerating continuously since before this presidential term started.
And then you have one anonymous source claiming that funding cuts from the agency that also paid for irrigation to help grow heroin in Afghanistan and secretly built a social media platform to overthrow Cuba meant that the US was cutting it's screwworm programs, and you believe that's why it appeared in the US now.
You genuinely just accept anything that makes your enemies look bad, don't you?
Because you're conflating funds for the USDA and FAO.
Its very easy to imagine them allocating funding to one body, and then cutting funding to another body.
I'm not really interested in your opinions on why a cut is unimportant.
Poisoning the well.
If you genuinely believed that a body being involved in corrupt, dangerous shit was grounds to disregard everything they said, you'd be immediately disregarding everything the US President's Office comes out with.
I believe that when they create an agency to slash funds with no proper process, scrutiny or paper trail, and staff it with zero-experience teenage ideologues, that agency may well cut things that have value. I believe that when the FAO explicitly says its programmes have been affected by such cuts, its likely they're telling the truth, unless there's real evidence to the contrary. And i believe the US gov saying "we promise we won't cut anything valuable", but fail to provide any full list or even criteria they used, thats meaningless politi-speak.
Literally the same thing happened when the Obama administration fixed-up/maintained the reflection pool...
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What's the word in the red circle? I didn't say ICE detainers themselves are unconstitutional (I'm referring to the holding), which you keep saying I do over and over again when I don't.
I would never, the former actually does things about this, the latter is only just now putting together a $1 million program for central American screwworms.
There are lists of what was cut. I'm certain you have a dozen reasons to disregard those lists, because you want to believe the administration failed as often as possible.
To which I respond with the conclusion you're using that proposition to push: " meaning doing that is not considered universally unconstitutional". Because for all that you want to put emphasis on the word "held", the subject is not whether or not you said they were "universally constitutional", but that your rhetoric has instead consistently treated my position as if it claimed they were "universally unconstitutional".
And you saying "meaning doing that is not considered universally unconstitutional" is a direct expression of that. It's literally you stating "that proves that they are not universally unconstitutional" as a retort; as if such a 'proof' directly contradicted my own statement.
Never mind that for all your efforts to erase the record and focus on your most recent post to the exclusion of all else, I was not responding exclusively that sentence but instead to your overall rhetoric, in which you repeatedly made it clear that your position was that the 13 cases I supplied you with upon your request didn't count and could be dismissed out of hand as necessarily wrong.
But more than that, you consistently argued that the simple existence of any 'honored' ICE detainer proved that those cases - which said that ICE detainers constituted another arrest and needed judicial warrants to hold people past their release date - couldn't be correct, going so far as to say - and I quote - "Either all ICE detainers are unconstitutional or none of them are".
Never mind how plainly grotesque it is that you keep on trying to invoke the simple prevalence of ICE detainers as if that were itself a counterargument against judicial rulings that detainers require judicial warrants to hold people past their release date. Your argument is essentially that because a government practice exists and is routinely carried out (without further qualifier), courts cannot find constitutional violations arising from that practice. "Either all [instances of them] are unconstitutional, or none of them are" as you put it.
But by that logic, rulings against excessive force would be wrong because police are authorized to use force in a broad sense, or rulings against unlawful searches would be wrong on the grounds that police conduct searches every day.
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The difference is Obama didn't make up some idiotic conspiracy theory about his political enemies vandalizing the pool to make him look bad.Literally the same thing happened when the Obama administration fixed-up/maintained the reflection pool...
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It's not that Trump made architectural blunder that his predecessor made, it's that he refuses to accept it or even move on from it. This story only has so much traction because Trump and his followers are keeping it in the news.
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Yet you did. Your attempt to make the narrative look self-contradictory 2 posts ago involved doing exactly that. Recognise that they're separate bodies, and there's no contradiction.
I have one very good reason to disregard them: they're not full lists. The admin put out a few inexhaustive summaries for media consumption, mostly including programs it could easily mock or mischaracterise. There was no requirement to publicise a full record.
If we take Rubio's statement, over 5,000 USAID contracts would have been cut. If you can find an official list of them all, please do provide it.
((I also find it funny that in one post, you assume that the FAO's screwworm work wouldn't have been cut simply because the admin said it didn't cut anything in line with its priorities... but in another post, you dismiss the FAO's work as worthless. Which is it?))
I'm not attempting to "make the narrative self-contradictory", I'm trying to make you understand that your stances are contradictory, not mine. I understand there are separate bodies, you are the one ignoring that. Your logic is "less money to FAO > cut efforts to combat screwworm > screwworm reaches America', but those efforts to combat screwworm are still ongoing, in fact increasing, in other agencies and international organizations.
You're incredulous about the idea that what FAO and USAID were doing might be absorbed into other agencies, even though you know 99% of the efforts already went through other agencies, that there is already a specific collaborative international organization for addressing only this issue, and that orders of magnitude more additional funding is currently being spent on this.
You are convinced that screwworms wouldn't have reached the US without DOGE interfering while knowing that screwworms made it past Panama through all of Central America and Mexico before DOGE existed, with experts warning ranchers in the US to be on the lookout years ago.
Please, just admit you were misled by the internet. It is not a personal failing for you to admit that, it would make you look much wiser if you could just concede for once that you can be misled.