How Problematic is "All Lives Matter?"

[Buyetyen]

https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com...fs-office-seeks-assistance-review/5490298002/

Another exhibit that "All Lives Matter" is really just the new, "Shut up, (slur)."

 

[gorfias]

https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com...fs-office-seeks-assistance-review/5490298002/

Another exhibit that "All Lives Matter" is really just the new, "Shut up, (slur)."

Yeah, cuz, encouraging hatred while dismissing the murder of millions is OK.

 

[Buyetyen]

Yeah, cuz, encouraging hatred while dismissing the murder of millions is OK.
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Hello, non sequitur. I'm afraid you've wandered into the wrong conversation.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Who actually went and put a stop to the Khmer Rouge?

Vs who was trying to prop them up?

Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is why accusations of "but communism" or whatever have stopped bothering me.
If you're All Lives Matter and you aren't speaking out against police brutality, you aren't speaking out against the militarization of the police force, and you aren't speaking out against to police's almost complete lack of accountability, then what lives are you actually advocating for?

 

[gorfias]

Hello, non sequitur. I'm afraid you've wandered into the wrong conversation.

I'm just hoping you will drop the hatred and advancing Marxist ideology that has resulted in the murder of millions and start actually thinking about how to make things better.

The US, at its best, offers the liberty and opportunity to advance, even in one's own lifetime. BLM, the organizers at least, is a force of Marxist hatred.

You've posted nothing to change my mind, though, I do not think you can do so. They have a website that tells us what they are about. And what they are about is demonstrably mass murderously depraved, even if many good and well meaning people are following them.

All lives matter. If you don't accept this, my family could end up murdered and have their rotting corpses decay in an American killing field somewhere.

We can do better.

Who actually went and put a stop to the Khmer Rouge?

Vs who was trying to prop them up?

Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is why accusations of "but communism" or whatever have stopped bothering me.
If you're All Lives Matter and you aren't speaking out against police brutality, you aren't speaking out against the militarization of the police force, and you aren't speaking out against to police's almost complete lack of accountability, then what lives are you actually advocating for?

Interesting link. Thanks.

But, sorry. I am a, and have worked,with, victims of Communism. It is mass murderously evil ideology.

Your link tells me the Vietnamese, acting like actual realists rather than blinkered utopians, put a stop to the killing of their own people.

If you read, from their own website, who founded BLM, you would understand that it is a movement that WILL actually harm African Americans, possibly cause the murder of unknown millions, while fixing nothing.

It inspires hatred against the Chinese, Jews, Italians, Irish... and more.

All lives matter. Stop the hatred and start working on ideas that can make things better.

 

[Trunkage]

All lives matter. Stop the hatred and start working on ideas that can make things better.

Did All Lives Matter somehow change from its origins or is it still the catch cry of the racist to make sure killing minorities is acceptable? All those things that your so worried about BLM is the exact thing most ALM want to do to minorities

Get angry at BLM all you want. I’m not touching ALM with a ten foot pole becuase it’s so much worse. Pretending it’s good is about as true as pretending Stalin was good. It won’t be good for anyone other than those dress up in white point hats.

Why do you just start another movement that gets away from the racists? (And for the love of god don’t use All or Lives or Matter in it). I could join that. I’m not joining racists just because you think something else is racists, man. That’s really stupid logic.

 

[Houseman]

Did All Lives Matter somehow change from its origins

What origins?
What even is ALM? It's not a movement, it doesn't have a website, or stated goals or a list of demands.

It's just a thing to say.

I think you've just allowed the media to paint a certain narrative upon your brain that ALM is synonymous with KKK. I can go on twitter right now and find lots of black and brown people tweeting #AllLivesMatter, like I did in the last topic.

 

[Trunkage]

What origins?
What even is ALM? It's not a movement, it doesn't have a website, or stated goals or a list of demands.

It's just a thing to say.

I think you've just allowed the media to paint a certain narrative upon your brain that ALM is synonymous with KKK. I can go on twitter right now and find lots of black and brown people tweeting #AllLivesMatter, like I did in the last topic.

ALM has been around for at least 5 years. I think it was Milo, Cernovich and Bannon.

Whatever you think it is, that’s not what happened. It’s not the current media narrative. It happened a long time ago.

Have you ever wondered why BLM people are so hostile to the idea? It’s this specific reason.

So, as I said, make some other group up if you ever want to get traction

 

[gorfias]

ALM has been around for at least 5 years. I think it was Milo, Cernovich and Bannon.

Whatever you think it is, that’s not what happened. It’s not the current media narrative. It happened a long time ago.

Have you ever wondered why BLM people are so hostile to the idea? It’s this specific reason.

So, as I said, make some other group up if you ever want to get traction

You do know Milo is gay and married to a black man? He isn't claiming to have a black friend. He's married.
Most of what you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever.
You write that ALM has been around for 5 years. Around the same amount of time as BLM? It is likely a rejoinder: something that shouldn't even need to be said. But we know who started this: "trained Marxists." It's a tactic. And that tactic is meant to divide and then destroy.
People that look at what is good about the West need to resist with their every breath as we've seen what can come of Marxism.

Who actually went and put a stop to the Khmer Rouge?

Vs who was trying to prop them up?

Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is why accusations of "but communism" or whatever have stopped bothering me.
If you're All Lives Matter and you aren't speaking out against police brutality, you aren't speaking out against the militarization of the police force, and you aren't speaking out against to police's almost complete lack of accountability, then what lives are you actually advocating for?

I initially was aggravated that BLM was a thing as everyone already does care about police brutality. Some advances have been made (such as body cameras). Cops, such as the one at Fruitville station are actually being put in prison.
I came to understand that you could have a BLM movement as you can have an organization for any identifiable demographic group and it can be benign.
The organizers of BLM are NOT benign. Many of the rank and file? Sure. But the organizers themselves? They aren't trying to make the police better. They want to divide, destroy, and then replace the West with a Marxist society. We've seen where that leads and should resist. Why? Because all lives matter.

 

[Trunkage]

You do know Milo is gay and married to a black man? He isn't claiming to have a black friend. He's married.
Most of what you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever.
You write that ALM has been around for 5 years. Around the same amount of time as BLM? It is likely a rejoinder: something that shouldn't even need to be said. But we know who started this: "trained Marxists." It's a tactic. And that tactic is meant to divide and then destroy.
People that look at what is good about the West need to resist with their every breath as we've seen what can come of Marxism.

YES!!!! ALM became a thing about 2 weeks after BLM started being a thing.

We did this 5 years ago, why are we doing this again? Did we learn nothing from back then?

Also,

Senators unite to block Pauline Hanson's 'all lives matter' motion

One conservative coalition senator, Jim Molan, walks out rather than joining colleagues in preventing discussion

www.theguardian.com

Just sit with that. 4 major parties who don't get on together voted almost unanimously against ALM (One for, one abstention). In June. You don't get that kind of message against something unless its truly terrible. And I say this again. I can not believe we are having this same conversation 5 years later. It has absolutely baffled me.

If you want me to join your cause, that's the cost. Stop saying what racists say. If you can do that, then maybe BLM people, who you think are incredibly racist, can follow your example.

I can move away from 'trained Marxists' if you can move away from racists.

 

[gorfias]

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YES!!!! ALM became a thing about 2 weeks after BLM started being a thing.

We did this 5 years ago, why are we doing this again? Did we learn nothing from back then?

Also,

Senators unite to block Pauline Hanson's 'all lives matter' motion

One conservative coalition senator, Jim Molan, walks out rather than joining colleagues in preventing discussion

www.theguardian.com

Just sit with that. 4 major parties who don't get on together voted almost unanimously against ALM (One for, one abstention). In June. You don't get that kind of message against something unless its truly terrible. And I say this again. I can not believe we are having this same conversation 5 years later. It has absolutely baffled me.

If you want me to join your cause, that's the cost. Stop saying what racists say. If you can do that, then maybe BLM people, who you think are incredibly racist, can follow your example.

I can move away from 'trained Marxists' if you can move away from racists.

Hardly. You can find virtue signalers everywhere. You found some. Yay.
Sorry, you cannot shame me into walking into a gas chamber. That is ultimately what BLM leadership is about. Read their website.

 

[Trunkage]

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Hardly. You can find virtue signalers everywhere. You found some. Yay.
Sorry, you cannot shame me into walking into a gas chamber. That is ultimately what BLM leadership is about. Read their website.

So, I want to get your conundrum - you wont give up some words. Also, if I'm doing anything, its trying to shame you into not being one of those guards leading people into gas chamber. All I'm doing is ask you to not act like those guys. I didn't think it be this hard.

(I'm willing to completely ignore BLM. but for some reason you keep bringing them up. Why? Also, why does BLM problematicness delete ALM problemticness? If they are both bad, get rid of them)

 

[lil devils x]

You do know Milo is gay and married to a black man? He isn't claiming to have a black friend. He's married.
Most of what you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever.
You write that ALM has been around for 5 years. Around the same amount of time as BLM? It is likely a rejoinder: something that shouldn't even need to be said. But we know who started this: "trained Marxists." It's a tactic. And that tactic is meant to divide and then destroy.
People that look at what is good about the West need to resist with their every breath as we've seen what can come of Marxism.


I initially was aggravated that BLM was a thing as everyone already does care about police brutality. Some advances have been made (such as body cameras). Cops, such as the one at Fruitville station are actually being put in prison.
I came to understand that you could have a BLM movement as you can have an organization for any identifiable demographic group and it can be benign.
The organizers of BLM are NOT benign. Many of the rank and file? Sure. But the organizers themselves? They aren't trying to make the police better. They want to divide, destroy, and then replace the West with a Marxist society. We've seen where that leads and should resist. Why? Because all lives matter.

You act as if someone being gay or being married to a minority means that they somehow cannot be sexist or racist. Racism and sexism is rampant in the gay community FYI, this is not some obscure unknown fact here, it has been well known for a long time now. Hell even during the antebellum south, wealthy slave owners had minority mistresses and would have married them as well if it had been legal at the time according to their own memoirs. That didn't suddenly make them any less racist or sexist. Just to be clear here so you understand it, you can be black and racist against other blacks. You can be a woman and have sexist opinions against women. Someone being married to someone does not mean they do not harbor bigoted opinions about that person. If you express bigoted opinions those opinions are still bigoted regardless of your personal situation. Milo has publicly expressed numerous sexist and racist opinions, thus he is racist and sexist. His sexual preference and relationship status is irrelevant to that.

 

[Buyetyen]

I'm just hoping you will drop the hatred and advancing Marxist ideology that has resulted in the murder of millions and start actually thinking about how to make things better.

And I hope that you've learned your lesson in the last 4 years that fascism is bad for democracy and you shouldn't vote for it.

The US, at its best, offers the liberty and opportunity to advance, even in one's own lifetime. BLM, the organizers at least, is a force of Marxist hatred.

You've posted nothing to change my mind, though, I do not think you can do so. They have a website that tells us what they are about. And what they are about is demonstrably mass murderously depraved, even if many good and well meaning people are following them.

All lives matter. If you don't accept this, my family could end up murdered and have their rotting corpses decay in an American killing field somewhere.

We can do better.

Straight up: you have no clue what Marxism is. You only know a scary cartoon version of it. And that's why I'm really not interested in changing your mind. You've already made your decision and you're the only one who can decide to change it. But if I'm being honest, I don't think you have the courage to. Almost all of your platform is motivated by crippling fear. And I can't help you with that.

But, sorry. I am a, and have worked,with, victims of Communism. It is mass murderously evil ideology.

I love how the right says this as if capitalism has never sacrificed a single human life in the name of elitsts' profits, or that this non-consensual sacrifice is somehow not an inherent quality of capitalism.

 

[lil devils x]

I love how the right says this as if capitalism has never sacrificed a single human life in the name of elitsts' profits, or that this non-consensual sacrifice is somehow not an inherent quality of capitalism.

No kidding. Our morgues are filled with the numerous victims of capitalism, but the right likes to pretend they don't exist. Capitalism denies access to medicine, food, water, shelter, clean air, clean soil, and everything a person needs to survive in this world to those who are not capable of affording it, yet they want to claim that every other system on the planet is somehow worse without realizing that it is pretty well near impossible to get worse than that.

 

[Buyetyen]

No kidding. Our morgues are filled with the numerous victims of capitalism, but the right likes to pretend they don't exist. Capitalism denies access to medicine, food, water, shelter, clean air, clean soil, and everything a person needs to survive in this world to those who are not capable of affording it, yet they want to claim that every other system on the planet is somehow worse without realizing that it is pretty well near impossible to get worse than that.

Totally. I mean, we have over 140k dead people, but the Republicans want the economy to "reopen" before its safe in the name of protecting their power and corporate profits. Doesn't get much more anti-human than that.

Another one of my favorite canards: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Said by people totally unaware of how taxes and fractional reserve banking work.

 

[gorfias]

So, I want to get your conundrum - you wont give up some words. Also, if I'm doing anything, its trying to shame you into not being one of those guards leading people into gas chamber. All I'm doing is ask you to not act like those guys. I didn't think it be this hard.

(I'm willing to completely ignore BLM. but for some reason you keep bringing them up. Why? Also, why does BLM problematicness delete ALM problemticness? If they are both bad, get rid of them)

ALM should be common sense and not even be a thing. Then 3 Marxists formed BLM, and rather than be about excessive police violence against black people, it is about "White Supremacy"... that white people suck, that the West must be torn down. Well, implying or outright saying white people suck is racist. As for our system that must be torn down... I think it is a pretty good if flawed system. It needs to be defended. So, as a rebuke to BLM, I write, ALM.

You act as if someone being gay or being married to a minority means that they somehow cannot be sexist or racist. Racism and sexism is rampant in the gay community FYI, this is not some obscure unknown fact here, it has been well known for a long time now. Hell even during the antebellum south, wealthy slave owners had minority mistresses and would have married them as well if it had been legal at the time according to their own memoirs. That didn't suddenly make them any less racist or sexist. Just to be clear here so you understand it, you can be black and racist against other blacks. You can be a woman and have sexist opinions against women. Someone being married to someone does not mean they do not harbor bigoted opinions about that person. If you express bigoted opinions those opinions are still bigoted regardless of your personal situation. Milo has publicly expressed numerous sexist and racist opinions, thus he is racist and sexist. His sexual preference and relationship status is irrelevant to that.

What matters is, does Milo have a problem with black people that makes him a hateful bigot. Given that he married a black man, the obvious answer to that question should be, "don't be ridiculous.'

And I hope that you've learned your lesson in the last 4 years that fascism is bad for democracy and you shouldn't vote for it.



Straight up: you have no clue what Marxism is. You only know a scary cartoon version of it. And that's why I'm really not interested in changing your mind. You've already made your decision and you're the only one who can decide to change it. But if I'm being honest, I don't think you have the courage to. Almost all of your platform is motivated by crippling fear. And I can't help you with that.



I love how the right says this as if capitalism has never sacrificed a single human life in the name of elitsts' profits, or that this non-consensual sacrifice is somehow not an inherent quality of capitalism.

The "last four years" brought record low unemployment to US Black people and rising wages. The horror.
To the Left, if black people get rich and prosperous, they will not need redistributionist policies. They'll turn into people more resembling Charles Barkley.
Capitalism is also raising whole nations out of poverty and saving lives.
I have been told that Capitalism kills 80 million people a year because, they die of easily resolved issues (clean water, proper diet: they are poor and don't have that kind of money to fix those problems). Simply switching to Global Communism would not help those 80 million. Communism sees people as identity groups. If the state requires it, they can be round up and slaughtered. No thanks.

 

[lil devils x]

ALM should be common sense and not even be a thing. Then 3 Marxists formed BLM, and rather than be about excessive police violence against black people, it is about "White Supremacy"... that white people suck, that the West must be torn down. Well, implying or outright saying white people suck is racist. As for our system that must be torn down... I think it is a pretty good if flawed system. It needs to be defended. So, as a rebuke to BLM, I write, ALM.

What matters is, does Milo have a problem with black people that makes him a hateful bigot. Given that he married a black man, the obvious answer to that question should be, "don't be ridiculous.'

According to what Milo himself has stated publicly, the answer of course is " yes, of course Milo is a hateful bigot, not just to minorities, but also to women." You would have to ignore everything Milo has stated publicly to come to the conclusion he is not. We already went though this on the escapist quite thoroughly years back, at this point it is just repeating what has already been stated, as he was not the least bit shy with promoting this bigotry for financial gain for a good while now.

 

[Buyetyen]

You would have to ignore everything Milo has stated publicly to come to the conclusion he is not.

Ding ding, we have a winner!

EDIT

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/we...rance-street-sparks-hate-crime-investigation/

On their way home, Lopez noticed two people in a pickup trucking driving behind them for several minutes. As they approached a red light at the intersection of Artesia Boulevard and Prairie Avenue around 10:30 p.m., the truck went in front of them.

“I don’t know why they followed us for miles until we came to a complete stop because they cut us in front,” she said.

Both the passenger and driver stepped out of the vehicle. That’s when Lopez started recording.

“We tried to get away. She kept standing in front of the car, and wouldn’t let us leave,” she said.

In the video, a woman is heard saying, “White lives matter b—h,” and the man is seen doing a Nazi salute in front of Lopez’s boyfriend, who is Black. Then the man grabs something from the bed of the truck and approaches the driver’s side of the vehicle.

“When he came out the car, he had something and was hitting the car,” Lopez said.

Lopez can be heard screaming, telling her boyfriend to drive away.

“I was afraid. I didn’t know what they had in their car. I just wanted to get home,” she said.

Lopez says the incident took an emotional toll on her.

“It really threw me off. Never in my life did I think I was gonna experience this,” she said. “It’s actually really scary. They don’t even know you and they’re willing to hurt you. It’s sad.”

Let's not kid ourselves. "White lives matter" is just "All lives matter" without the tissue-thin pretense of egalitarianism.

 

[gorfias]

According to what Milo himself has stated publicly, the answer of course is " yes, of course Milo is a hateful bigot, not just to minorities, but also to women." You would have to ignore everything Milo has stated publicly to come to the conclusion he is not. We already went though this on the escapist quite thoroughly years back, at this point it is just repeating what has already been stated, as he was not the least bit shy with promoting this bigotry for financial gain for a good while now.

He has stated women hate everyone. But he's also mocked anyone calling him a racist noting it sounds stupid if you realize how many black men he has felated. Even that was meant to be funny: the real issue is, if he really bared ill will to black people, I do not think he would have married a black man. I would be interested in a link to what you write as I suspect he was being provocative or even sarcastic.

Let's not kid ourselves. "White lives matter" is just "All lives matter" without the tissue-thin pretense of egalitarianism.

Yeah, because this society doesn't care about anyone but white people. The earnings of Asian suggest this is not so. If they faced a hostile majority white society, they would not be allowed to immigrate here in anywhere near their current numbers. Job opportunities would be blocked and more.

Asian women and men earned more than their White, Black, and Hispanic counterparts in 2017 : The Economics Daily: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Asian women and men earned more than their White, Black, and Hispanic counterparts in 2017. Among women, Whites ($795) earned 88 percent as much as Asians ($903); Blacks ($657) earned 73 percent; and Hispanics ($603) earned 67 percent. Among men, these earnings differences were even larger...

www.bls.gov

What you wrote was racist and bigoted, assuming that all white people that use the term ALM only mean it for themselves. Shameful.