Sounds like trump is planning on nominating someone named Amy Coney Barrett to the supreme court.

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Would you respect a person's religious sensibilities, and not demand them to go against them? This is also important here. You seem to focus only on the rights of the secular individuals and not the rights of the practicing individuals. Atheism is a small, dying breed of a lifestyle.
Is beheading someone over a cartoon illegal?
 

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That's not a contraceptive then. Someone take hormonal medications for other purposes aren't being prescribed contraception, a drug is it's purpose. When you buy cold or allergy medicines with pseudoephedrine, you're not buying crystal meth ingredients unless you intend to take crystal meth. A glaucoma medicine might make your eyelashes grow longer, that doesn't mean you're using a beauty product. Medicines are prescribed with a purpose. It's not a list of chemicals that religious groups are exempt from covering, it's a particular purpose. Your wife would be covered.
So, in other words, we just need doctors to lie about contraception to insurance companies so the person who pays the insurance company doesn’t get their knickers in a twist. Or the insurance company lies

Yep, sounds like the American way of doing things
 
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Corbyn's response to this really shows his inability to read a room. The ECHR report didn't assign personal responsibility: literally the only thing he had to do was speak with contrition, or not speak at all.

But if you use your response to the report to give a "but", and point fingers, it immediately makes this a test of Starmer's response in the public eye. And he cannot be seen to equivocate at this point, or it blows up again.
The propaganda/brain worms on that island must be intense if this is your takeaway.
 
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The propaganda/brain worms on that island must be intense if this is your takeaway.
It was relatively recently (last year, I think?) when you said yourself you weren't particularly knowledgable about the UK Labour movement or Corbyn (in response to a question I asked, in fact). You must have done a hell of a lot of reading in that short timeframe to come to this stage: where your understanding is so great, that any disagreement can only be down to propaganda.

The Blairites can have their party back so after the UK goes through five years of Boris fucking up they can lose to him.
Except that his platform and voting record are far closer to Corbyn's; almost identical in most respects, including public ownership.
 
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Indeed not. But his hand is somewhat forced, as Starmer can't say the party has zero tolerance for antisemitism and then fail to take action when Jezza continues his years-long habit of not treating it with the seriousness it merits.

But that's the thing, isn't it: Saint Corbyn has the correct socialist values, so we're not allowed to criticise him even when he's wrong.
It didn’t help that people were literally making stuff up to take him down. You had plenty of things to get him on but you decided to lie about it. And I come from a bubble who was not at all enamoured with Corbyn.

And I really enjoy the cancelling going on there right now. Could not speak better to the problems of Lefty politics
 

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It didn’t help that people were literally making stuff up to take him down. You had plenty of things to get him on but you decided to lie about it. And I come from a bubble who was not at all enamoured with Corbyn.

And I really enjoy the cancelling going on there right now. Could not speak better to the problems of Lefty politics
During his tenure and quite aside from this report, the treatment of Corbyn (and Labour under Corbyn) has been absolutely awful, worse than any party leader for decades: endless smears, outright fabrications, internal sabotage. The left of the party has good cause to feel aggrieved.
 

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It was relatively recently (last year, I think?) when you said yourself you weren't particularly knowledgable about the UK Labour movement or Corbyn (in response to a question I asked, in fact). You must have done a hell of a lot of reading in that short timeframe to come to this stage: where your understanding is so great, that any disagreement can only be down to propaganda.
Not at all, I just can read his statement. If what he said is offensive in the UK, something is very wrong with the UK.

Also, with media saying "Corbyn represents an existential threat to Jews in Britain", he is just flatly correct that Labour antisemitism was overblown. And I'll add: vastly.

Meanwhile, in other brain-worm news:
 
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Except that his platform and voting record are far closer to Corbyn's; almost identical in most respects, including public ownership.
Record shmeckord if he’s going to try purging the party of socialists to appease the party’s Blairites who slandered him and openly sabotaged the party they claimed membership of. The coalition you build matters when it is an intentionally divisive one attempting to sabotage any materialist basis for politics.
 

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Not at all, I just can read his statement. If what he said is offensive in the UK, something is very wrong with the UK.

Also, with media saying "Corbyn represents an existential threat to Jews in Britain", he is just flatly correct that Labour antisemitism was overblown. And I'll add: vastly.

Meanwhile, in other brain-worm news:
To be fair, Mensch is just a normal slanderous Tory.
 
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Record shmeckord if he’s going to try purging the party of socialists to appease the party’s Blairites [...]
OK, but that as the motive doesn't really match with the chain of events (not to mention Starmer being a socialist).

The party had already explicitly said it wouldn't be acceptable to say that antisemitism was overblown. Whether or not you think that was a shitty rule to implement, it was there before this week. Corbyn broke it, and did so at the worst possible time: in immediate response to the EHRC report, when all eyes will be on whether the party is dealing with the crisis in a decisive way or not.

He wouldn't have been suspended had he not given the response yesterday. This is specifically about that, because it broke an explicit rule that had been given; it was not about what went on while he was leader.

The coalition you build matters when it is an intentionally divisive one attempting to sabotage any materialist basis for politics.
The fact that any disciplinary action within the party is tied back to "right v left", regardless of whether both people involved are firmly socialists, is indicative of the problem. What, exceptions should be made to the rules if the rule-breaker is a left-winger, in order to not piss people off? What kind of principled stance is that?

Meanwhile, in other brain-worm news:
Louise Mensch is a moron, and the very idea that someone from her party could lecture Labour on racism is despicable nonsense.
 

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Those practicing individuals are free to not use the contraceptive healthcare that insurance provides.

But contraceptive care *is* healthcare, and insurance companies that provide healthcare should be providing it
I wouldn't say contraceptives are healthcare, in my opinion.

Is beheading someone over a cartoon illegal?
Not in Shariah countries.
 

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The UK is utterly lost.
You have the luxury of viewing UK politics from the safety and comfort of lefty media rags like Jacobin magazine that preach to the converted. We had to live it. And it was extremely painful for us to watch the sheer, non-stop, blithering incompetence and amateurism of Jeremy Corbyn and his team squander all the Tory's problems to end with the most crushing defeat Labour has suffered in decades.

Politics is, and must be, about winning people's trusts and votes. Here's Corbyn, comprehensively losing the trust of exactly the people Labour was founded to represent: the urban working classes, hence Labour surrendering a load of seats it had held solidly for decades. You didn't have to sit there as week after week, months on end, the party gifted its critics with a massive cudgel to beat it with. Particularly with a hostile right-tending media, the left cannot have the luxury of dicking around like it did over antisemitism.

And then as Silvanus pointed out in #340:

Corbyn's response to this really shows his inability to read a room. The ECHR report didn't assign personal responsibility: literally the only thing he had to do was speak with contrition, or not speak at all.
The bottom line is that Corbyn is utterly self-righteous, to the point of self-destruction and he took his own party with him. I'm perfectly happy with Labour run by someone with Corbyn's left-leaning politics, but not one like Corbyn who ends up sabotaging their own party.
 
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Not in Shariah countries.
Should they be legal in Western countries?
Because, you know " Would you respect a person's religious sensibilities, and not demand them to go against them?" Because that would be bad right? Not letting people use beheading if someone breaks their religious beliefs. You HAVE to worry about their precious sensibilities right?
 

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Should they be legal in Western countries?
Because, you know " Would you respect a person's religious sensibilities, and not demand them to go against them?" Because that would be bad right? Not letting people use beheading if someone breaks their religious beliefs. You HAVE to worry about their precious sensibilities right?
Western countries will be Shariah countries soon enough.
 

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Louise Mensch is a moron, and the very idea that someone from her party could lecture Labour on racism is despicable nonsense.
She's another person easy to hate. Floats along on a cloud of privilege, never really accomplishes anything, has a string of failed vanity "entrepreneurial" media endeavours because she can afford to. She's certainly clever - except in that British, upper-class, vapid way of being witty, amusing, and otherwise useless. There's room for that, but you don't want them running the country (and unfortunately one currently does).
 

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Western countries will be Shariah countries soon enough.
JEFFERSON"S FUCKING WALL. Please for the love of god learn what it is, why its important, and what Trump, and in particular Pence, has done to destroy it. Banning all religious nonsense from the secular state ENSURES Sharia law cannot be put in place. Including Sharia law. IF you benefit one religion, then it becomes a race to the bottom to see which religion wins... and nobody wins. Because you get something like the Christian Ayatollah. Or maybe the 100 years war again, with denominations fighting for power. Religion does not belong anywhere near government