We could start by abolishing this police union. When we make a new force under the completely new rules a new union would must be made with completely different people.
How do we legally abolish a police union when they have layer upon layer of legal protections to exist? You can't just go around destroying unions, that is how you have all hell break loose faster than anything.
I understand how you feel about capitalism as well, I just don't think we have the power to do much about that at least where I am. Hell if anyone even tries to do something about it the US becomes their problem as well as they will try to snuff them out before they can even get their footing. Trying to find the power to actually solve the problem is often the biggest hurdle. Corporatists have the power of the US military, and we have what exactly?
No, that isn't what I googled. LMAO I am not even sure what that is supposed to mean. Are you feeling okay?
I am quoting all of you because the comparison to Mexico does not work so well.I was in Mexico nearly 10 years ago where the police tried to get a bribe from me and said they suspect I was smuggling drugs. They put me in jail, stripped me complete naked and left me in there without clothes for 6 hours probably to extort money from me.
Accurate, that's Revnak and my point. Both of us (I presume for him, he can't really correct me now :V) believe that empowering an organization to not be held to the same standards as everyone else is a recipe for these kinds of abuses, no matter the relative wealth of the nation in question.
I have already stated that this is an ideology and we need a practical solution. It is not a quick fix. We are arguing that we must abolish the police and make it anew, not how, because that would be a new forum of itself. I am arguing however that your way of keeping the police as is but making reforms would not work because we would still have the same people in place. I was police most of my adult life (still short as I am still late twenties) and I can say most of the bad majority will never change.
Exactly. I was humiliated and extorted in Mexico because the police had no state oversight. The black man in Paris was raped and abused because the veneer of oversight would not hold them accountable.
YIKES. I only visited France briefly, but luckily had no problems with Police there when I did. I have been warned about a lot of police from different nations, no one ever said to expect any problems from the French police as well when I went.
We wouldn't have the same people in place though when they reform. They replace police chiefs and officers all the time, they reassign them or remove them all together. We have the means to deal with individuals but when we go after the " whole" we have another problem entirely. Trying to go after the Union though you are going to be up against the Union, active duty AND retired officers, The community ( the majority of the actual population in the US) and they have all the power. We CAN change the union however, by taking out individuals one at a time using the system we have inn place to do so while simultaneously adding police reform with bribes for raises and for their departments via federal funding to make the changes..
Accurate. Mexico's police are fairly openly corrupt, and you are correct that the institution needs to be remade from the ground up. Like I said in the other post, I like the idea I've seen around Rojava. Right now of course they have a straight up police force but admittedly, they're in the middle of ISIL land and surrounded by enemies so it makes sense. But I hope their plan works out.
Yea, you could use more police, but you may not want the ones we are trying to get rid of.
You know, I don't believe her name really is Lil Devils
do you not realize how families work? I have like 5 uncles, 4 on my dads side and 1 from my moms.
Was that surprise for me in Mexico or the black guy in France? They' are always surprised by the France part!
Are you white? I look as white as any European with my blue eyes and red-blonde hair but I sometimes lose my white card as soon as they see my obnoxiously Jewish name and see I was born in Israel. In France you only have to worry if you are black or Arab. It might be different if you are African American because maybe they incorrectly think that if you are a black American tourist in Paris you probably have more influence.
Yes but almost every police force in the world is enabled by definition to do bad things. As soon as you put on the uniform you are legally committed to for example put a struggling single mother in handcuffs because you caught her with a small amount of weed. You may choose not to do it but you are going against your commitments. I am glad I am no longer a cop for reasons like this.
It is definitely not as bad as Mexico but it is happening in all of the poor areas with large social housing. We had Nicolas Sarkozy as president just before I became a cop in Paris and he said he wanted to wash the scum out of these areas with a hose. The police here do treat white people badly sometimes but it is hundreds times worse for black and Arab people.
OK I do see your point. If it would work this way I would support it. It would need to be a very extreme overhaul for me to support it.
It is like they have never met a Catholic before.
That was a yikes for France, I already know a yikes isn't enough to account for what is happening in Mexico. I am surprised about France, because they don't warn you about France when you visit. They warn you about Mexico. No, I am not white, I am Native American but I am not dark skinned and I do not have black hair. I am short and petite (49.89 kg) and I have long straight, light brown hair down past my hips and my eyes are multiple shades of brown. People usually ask me if I am Korean, Japanese, eastern European or Latina and never guess my ethnicity accurately. People take me for Asian mix of sorts usually because they are not used to seeing Native Americans. In france, the most I dealt with was men hitting on me everywhere, but is like that in a lot of places, it was not just unique to France. in France, they are more annoyed with American accents than anything else and have little patience for those struggling with speaking fluent French. I am sure I was butchering their language so they aren't wrong there.
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