Gaming Journalists Make No Damn Sense

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Dwarvenhobble

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I mean, you obviously didn't.
Actually I did......... but nice of you to assume I'd somehow missed the what 50-200 times people have said this thing online including renaming awards shows and constant "We're taking back Lovecraft" esc yells from woke types as though somehow public domain works are owned by anyone but the public.


Nonbinary people are a scientific fact. I thought facts didn't care about feelings? I'm not obligated to pretend the anti-science crowd have a point when they don't.
What defines Non-binary other than feelings at present?

Dr Verma's research doesn't confirm it and that's the leading research of neurological explanations of Gender. It's also the basis for the leading work understanding the idea and reason for people who are Trans Gender.

So far no such tangible evidence of non binary exists as anything other than a self defined group. Which is fair enough plenty of groups exist and have existed throughout history define yourself as what you want but don't pretend it's an immutable scientific proven fact and must be obeyed because of that. It's a highly subjective self classification at best you can ask people to accept it out of politeness and respect but it must be understood respect is a two way street on often needs to be earned.


Can you understand why I am reflexively wary of "free speech advocates" trying to save me from a problem that you admit isn't even a problem?
maybe he'd just like to keep it that way?

It was due to pressure groups extolling the harm to society that A Clockwork Orange got pulled from the UK almost entirely or more precisely the extreme elements of it who thought their actions were helping save the world.

There are many ways to censor something and no it's not just the government stepping in


The point is that most threats to artistic integrity are not the result of someone arguing in favor of trans representation. Far more often, my experience has been that the people opposed to social progress are far more likely to try and dictate what you can and cannot make.
Oh you mean like the film with Scarlett Johansson that basically got abandoned after advocates harassed her and the company behind it because they were casting her not a Trans actress?




Arbitrary distinction. If you're telling me I can't do something, then you're dictating to me what is and is not allowed.
This is a simple explanation.

You can't merely draw a smiley face on the Mona Lisa and declare it your own unique art work that must be respected and expect it just to be so.

You could however study and learn how the Mona Lisa was made, the techniques used and then expand it creating a whole scene with the original picture as the origin of it. Or make your own if you don't like doing things that way.



I'm going to repeat my previous questions because you in no way, shape or form answered them: What franchises and what rules?
The rules for the world the creators of franchises tend to suggest the world operates under and working to build on existing works not just wipe them away and go "My version the new reality now, your version not allowed and was bad and toxic"
 

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When did Trump become woke?
Go back to the current events subforum, we're talking about video games.

No, actually, let's talk about it:


Modern-day book burning.
I own the book they're talking about, or at least I think I do, since it's in a digital format. Maybe I should find a way to download a copy in case Amazon decides to "revoke my license" for it.
 
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If you speak or act with a child's view on issues, don't be surprised that others treat you like a child when explaining things.
The Pygmalion principal says people will act based on their treatment however. Thus treat people like children and expect them to act like it in return doo doo head.

Major downside there to illusory superiority, failure to realise the humour of it. Or at least inability to laugh and realise about people running rings round individuals.

And speak of the devil...
Oh I'm sorry do you need Misogyny explained to you? Because it seems like you only have a surface level grasp of the concept which itself would be rather childish if you think what is going on now isn't misogyny.

It's entirely possible you do understand but are resorting to a ad hominem based attack vector by attempting to equate people with children to try and undermine the legitimacy of their arguments as you have no other actual response to the points being raised thus instead desperately went for one of the standard techniques to maintain the propagandistic approach.

 

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up on reading this and holy hell I am not sure I can add anything. Like really we are talking about propaganda. What propaganda are we supposed to be fighting against.

How are game publications having multiple with different opinions posting opinion pieces devolve into this.


So recently, Capcom got hit with a Ransomware leak and while more sensible sites only cover the leak of the upcoming titles worked on, Niche took a gander at the upcoming marketing strategies that obvious aggravated the weebs.

In case people wonder why I have such a damn low opinion of weebs, the comments section on Niche is my reaffirmation.
Nichegamer is cheating. That place is a treasure trove of proving the so called "journalist" that "hate gamers" 100% right.
 
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What propaganda are we supposed to be fighting against.
Nobody needs to fight against propaganda. America's Army exists, and doesn't need to be fought against. Maybe just, if your teenager is playing it, sit down and have a serious talk with him.
 

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Could you dehumanize minorities any harder? And it's not a fucking competition, for god's sake.



Yes, because once something is illegal, it stop being a problem! That's why we haven't had any murders since Hammurabi invented it being illegal.

This is dramatically missing the point. There are people out there right now who believe that harassment is an acceptable response to a nothingburger inconvenience. But because it is illegal to stab people, you seem to think that it's not a problem. You are, chances are, one of those lucky people who has never had to deal with a stalker, because that shit being illegal does nothing to make it less terrifying and traumatic.

The fact that this behavior is considered normal among gamers only says negative things about gamer culture.



Which is also the case when people say they would like more queer representation, for example.



Those were your examples? If those are the most egregious examples you can come up with, then it is well and truly a big fat nothingburger.
Hey man, I'm not the one claiming a minority is being represented because there's one of the same genre as them in a game. I would think that if you're a unique individual human, you would need traits about yourself that you in some way chose or worked toward to be present in order to feel represented, so I would say those who claim to be representing people merely by including a customization option or a token character of that same specification and treat it as being representational of a whole swath of thousands of unique humans as being way ahead in that competition you're speaking of. Remember, this is not some game about the nonbinary experience or dealing with such issues in most cases, it's just a random game using it as seasoning to virtue signal. At least my "dehumanization" isn't mercenary in nature lol.


Once something is illegal, the state has done all it can to stop it, and it is up to individuals to live up to the laws they chose to implement. It is impossible to prevent all forms of crime in a free society, and the alternative is worse than the crimes we have to endure right now. That this burden falls disproprotionately on a specific sub-section of society doesn't mean that the alternative wouldn't be EVEN WORSE, for them too.



And yeah again, there's definitely nothing to warrant a 10 reaction in the outrage scale. I said this already, they are about at a 2.
 

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up on reading this and holy hell I am not sure I can add anything. Like really we are talking about propaganda. What propaganda are we supposed to be fighting against.

How are game publications having multiple with different opinions posting opinion pieces devolve into this.



Nichegamer is cheating. That place is a treasure trove of proving the so called "journalist" that "hate gamers" 100% right.
Generally only certain opinions seem to be represented.

Historian claiming a game is historically accurate based on accounts and research from the time? NO

Tumblr user who posts loads of things claiming to be historical facts like how 50% of all European residents in medieval times were Arabic based on the fact 1 picture obviously depicting the crusades showed a knight and a person who looked Arabic? Yes give them an opinion piece because clearly they're more informed than peoples who literal job it is to know about and research said history........
 

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Only the "woke" crowd participates in censorship these days.
Not really. I remember a giant temper tantrum about Jax solving slavery or Shao Khan going ''Make Outworld great again'' in Mortal Kombat.
And then there's also the whole James Gunn thing. Or trying to boycott a store just because Trump didn't like them.
 

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Not really. I remember a giant temper tantrum about Jax solving slavery or Shao Khan going ''Make Outworld great again'' in Mortal Kombat.
And then there's also the whole James Gunn thing. Or trying to boycott a store just because Trump didn't like them.
That was mostly because Jax being black kind of never has been a main part of his character. He just was black.
 

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I remember a giant temper tantrum about Jax solving slavery or Shao Khan going ''Make Outworld great again'' in Mortal Kombat.
Please understand that not liking something is not the same as censorship.
If a fan doesn't like a dig that a developer makes against their ideology, that's not censorship.

And then there's also the whole James Gunn thing
What about it? That was the woke crowd "cancelling" him.

. Or trying to boycott a store just because Trump didn't like them.
A boycott is also not censorship
 
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Hey man, I'm not the one claiming a minority is being represented because there's one of the same genre as them in a game.
Literally no one other than you is saying it is that one-dimensional. And spare me the special snowflake diatribe. That's nothing more than you projecting.

Once something is illegal, the state has done all it can to stop it, and it is up to individuals to live up to the laws they chose to implement. It is impossible to prevent all forms of crime in a free society, and the alternative is worse than the crimes we have to endure right now. That this burden falls disproprotionately on a specific sub-section of society doesn't mean that the alternative wouldn't be EVEN WORSE, for them too.
That suggests there are only 2 options ever.

And yeah again, there's definitely nothing to warrant a 10 reaction in the outrage scale. I said this already, they are about at a 2.
So again, a nothingburger.

Errm, no, it was whipped up by Mike Cernovich, in retaliation to Gunn criticising Donald Trump.
Convenient how quickly that went down the memory hole, huh?
 
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Errm, no, it was whipped up by Mike Cernovich, in retaliation to Gunn criticising Donald Trump.
Assuming that's true, that's just straight up trying to destroy a person and their livelihood because he criticized Mr. President.
That's kind of like saying trying to kill Hitler was censorship, because Hitler painted.

If you want to call it censorship, hiding, changing, or destroying the art, not the person, needs to be the goal, otherwise it's just collateral damage.
 

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Literally no one other than you is saying it is that one-dimensional. And spare me the special snowflake diatribe. That's nothing more than you projecting.
Claiming? No

Implying? Yeh

Dreiko was seemingly suggesting that maybe people should be seeing themselves represented by things they have more choice over rather than not?

To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher when asked about how she felt being the first woman PM in the UK

I feel far better about being the first Scientist to become PM, being the first woman to do it means very little to me

So again, a nothingburger.
No they're still something, moving the goalposts doesn't make them nothing.

Convenient how quickly that went down the memory hole, huh?
And how fast people forget him going more extreme was thanks to attempts to cancel him, you know including doxxing and swatting him. He's the monster of the woke crowds own creation ultimately lol
 

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Assuming that's true, that's just straight up trying to destroy a person and their livelihood because he criticized Mr. President.
That's kind of like saying trying to kill Hitler was censorship, because Hitler painted.

If you want to call it censorship, hiding, changing, or destroying the art, not the person, needs to be the goal, otherwise it's just collateral damage.
So... speech isn’t protected then?
 
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Protected from what and by who?
Can you speak in anything other than one-liners?
You cant censor speech. It’s not art.

I’m using your definition and asking question. Specifically to find out if what you mean. Here, I’ll quote your definition for you
If you want to call it censorship, hiding, changing, or destroying the art, not the person, needs to be the goal, otherwise it's just collateral damage.
 
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