Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Mister Mumbler

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I mean, we're doing it again.

We're using logic while there are literally nearly 74 million people who are not operating with logic, but whistles and "SQUIRREL" tactics.

To you, myself, and others, this looks comically inept.

To the true believers of the cult, someone can spin this as "THEY IGNORED STATE LEGISLATORS TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT?! HOW FAR ARE THEY GOING TO GO TO STEAL THIS?!"

We're dealing with people who divorced reality and are operating on what their feelings are telling them. This will probably not look good to them.
I know, but it's kind of like if you were watching TV, and the news came on and started talking about how a huge firestorm has wiped out the area that you live in, only to find no such thing when you open your windows.

Case in point...
Without any evidence, yes. Do you have any evidence that they're choosing a specific 100, and that they're choosing these specific 100 because these are the only ones in dispute? If not, then what you said is pointless.
Could it be they only picked 100 because, shocker, they actually went through the whole vetting process for the ballots counted before counting them. This is why our count took so long to finally be certified.
 

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Do you have evidence why they are picking that particular 100?
Nope.
Could it be they only picked 100 because, shocker, they actually went through the whole vetting process for the ballots counted before counting them.
That's not what all the Affiants that have been given testimony to Trump's team have been claiming.
Also, how would Matt Braynard have been able to find hundreds of people who never requested a ballot if their whole process was vetted beforehand?


In addition to these voicemails here, they also called a FELON who couldn't have legally voted, but who had an absentee vote cast in his name.
That fraudulent vote disenfranchised and nullified an actual legitimate voter. But nobody cares about that.
 
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Also, how would Matt Braynard have been able to find hundreds of people who never requested a ballot if their whole process was vetted beforehand?
That's easy. Arizona has had no-excuse mail-in ballots since 1991, and has been making full use of that for some time now. For instance, in 2012, 61% of Arizonans voted by mail, and in 2016, 78% did. More importantly for this claim, however, is that Arizona created a Permanent Early Voting List in 2007. As of 2020, roughly 75% of registered voters in Arizona are on that Permanent Early Voting List. So pick a random eligible voter in Arizona and there's a 3/4 chance that they voted by mail and didn't request a ballot this year because they didn't have to. That's the point of the Permanent Early Voting List.
 

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That's easy. Arizona has had no-excuse mail-in ballots since 1991, and has been making full use of that for some time now. For instance, in 2012, 61% of Arizonans voted by mail, and in 2016, 78% did. More importantly for this claim, however, is that Arizona created a Permanent Early Voting List in 2007. As of 2020, roughly 75% of registered voters in Arizona are on that Permanent Early Voting List. So pick a random eligible voter in Arizona and there's a 3/4 chance that they voted by mail and didn't request a ballot this year because they didn't have to. That's the point of the Permanent Early Voting List.
That's disingenuous. If you're on the "permanent list" then you implicitly requested a ballot for this year and every other year until you opt-out, move, or die.
They did request a ballot.

They found a ballot cast in a felon's name, who couldn't have possibly have requested a ballot.
They found Nashon Garrett who had an interview with Fox News, who voted in Tennessee, not AZ, but who had a ballot cast in his name.
They found hundreds of others.

This isn't the Permanent Early Voters list.

There's also the National Change of Address registry where he found thousands who voted (or had ballots cast in their name) after moving away to another state, and voted twice in their new states.

As well as thousands who voted from invalid addresses like UPS Stores.
 
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That's disingenuous. If you're on the "permanent list" then you implicitly requested a ballot for this year and every other year until you opt-out, move, or die.
They did request a ballot.

They found a ballot cast in a felon's name, who couldn't have possibly have requested a ballot.
They found Nashon Garrett who had an interview with Fox News, who voted in Tennessee, not AZ, but who had a ballot cast in his name.
They found hundreds of others.

This isn't the Permanent Early Voters list.
This sounds like the talk of someone who came to conclusion based on their faulty assumptions and can't admit they were wrong.
 

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This sounds like the talk of someone who came to conclusion based on their faulty assumptions and can't admit they were wrong.
Don't be too hard on him. He's "temporally displaced". He's 3 weeks behind the rest of us and was thrown into the future by forces as yet unknown. No other possible explanation exists how someone could be so willfully, hysterically, sadly and tragically wrong about so much. It can only be he doesn't know what has been disproven. And if he is as interested in politics as he presents, the only reason he hasn't seen what we've seen is because it didn't exist in his timeframe yet.
He is a poor, lost soul and we should help him, not mock him.
 

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That's disingenuous. If you're on the "permanent list" then you implicitly requested a ballot for this year and every other year until you opt-out, move, or die.
They did request a ballot.
People forget about their media subscription after a few months if they have it on an automatic bank charge. This list has been around for 13 years.
 

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People forget about their media subscription after a few months if they have it on an automatic bank charge. This list has been around for 13 years.
Man, Id love to be on a permanent list for vote in ballots so I don't have to worry about filling it out every 4 years. My country doesn't do that yet
 

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This sounds like the talk of someone who came to conclusion based on their faulty assumptions and can't admit they were wrong.
You might want to copy and paste that, save you from having to type it out again in future. Might just be a good response to other posts.
 

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People forget about their media subscription after a few months if they have it on an automatic bank charge. This list has been around for 13 years.
They only called people who had a ballot cast in their name.

So not only would they have to forgot to request a ballot, the would have had to FORGOT THAT THEY VOTED!
So are you still going to try that argument, now that you know all this?
 

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That's disingenuous. If you're on the "permanent list" then you implicitly requested a ballot for this year and every other year until you opt-out, move, or die.
They did request a ballot.
No, disingenuous is asking "Did you request a mail-in ballot" without consideration for whether or not such lists existed, or how the respondents might interpret the question. And we have every reason to believe that is exactly what happened here, because by his own account that's what he asked: " Did a person with your name vote? Did you request a mail-in ballot? Did you return a mail-in ballot?"

I'm going to be blunt here, House, what we've seen of Braynard's methodology and how he extrapolated his conclusions is like reading down a "common mistakes in identifying voter fraud" list. No, seriously.

They found a ballot cast in a felon's name, who couldn't have possibly have requested a ballot.
Common mistake actually. In 37 states Felony convictions do not permanently remove your voting rights. In 16 of them, voting rights are automatically restored at the end of incarceration, and the remaining 21 tend strongly towards "through parole/probation".

They found Nashon Garrett who had an interview with Fox News, who voted in Tennessee, not AZ, but who had a ballot cast in his name.
They found hundreds of others.
We literally get cases like that every election, and almost invariably they end up being one of two things: 1) Clerical error or 2) two different people with similar names. It happens. See, for instance, Dobrovolny v. Nebraska.

This isn't the Permanent Early Voters list.
Your credulity is noted, but I would remind you that I was specifically answering the question "how would Matt Braynard have been able to find hundreds of people who never requested a ballot if their whole process was vetted beforehand".

There's also the National Change of Address registry where he found thousands who voted (or had ballots cast in their name) after moving away to another state, and voted twice in their new states.
Remember what I said about reading down the common mistakes list? Page 8 and Page 9.

As well as thousands who voted from invalid addresses like UPS Stores.
Bottom of Page 10.
 
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No, disingenuous is asking "Did you request a mail-in ballot" without consideration for whether or not such lists existed
  • If they had a ballot cast in their name and said "no", then either their ballot was fraudulently cast, or they forgot that they cast a vote, it was noted.
  • If they had a ballot cast in their name and said "yes", but their ballot was never registered, then it was noted
  • If they had a ballot cast in their name and said "yes", and their ballot was registered, then it was reflected.
He already covered all these scenarios. You're not finding anything he hasn't thought of. It wasn't just "Did you request a mail-in ballot?", and then once the person answers yes or no, they hang up and never call again. You obviously don't know what Mr. Braynard's team has been doing.

Can we stop using tweets as a source?
Sure, just as soon as we get the mainstream media to do their jobs so that private citizens (or the POTUS) don't have to do it for them.
 

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Sure, just as soon as we get the mainstream media to do their jobs so that private citizens (or the POTUS) don't have to do it for them.
I like how a lot of your "arguments" rest upon people casting fraudulent votes, but entirely trust Twitter users, which have a much easier, and less risky level of entry for fake-ness, fraud if you will.
 

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Sure, just as soon as we get the mainstream media to do their jobs so that private citizens (or the POTUS) don't have to do it for them.
1) That video shows jack shit
2) You can find valid sources that aren't mainstream media
Like if you wanna know if hydroxychloroquine or remdesivir or vitamin d works against covid or not - www.c19study.com
See how that isn't some inane tweet?
 
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Sure, just as soon as we get the mainstream media to do their jobs so that private citizens (or the POTUS) don't have to do it for them.
They have been doing their jobs. So far the "private citizens and POTUS" have been wrong, consistently. Reliably.
 
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So twitter just seemingly suspended a persons account for testifying in support of Trump..............

 
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