The Stuff removed / changed / pulled relating to Trump

[CaitSeith]

I think it sets a bad precedent.

The precedent was Dixie Chicks (you know, the country group who even had their donation to the Red Cross denied after saying they were ashamed of coming from the same State as Bush after the Iran War started?). This is up to par with it.

 

[Avnger]

Are insults against the law where you live?

Why should a website be forced to allow their members to insult each other just because nothing said is against the law? Why should a website not be allowed to restrict the topics talked about on it? Should The Escapist be forced to host pornographic material? It's not against the law to post pornography to the web...

As a lesser example, it would also prevent moderators from removing bot advertisement. Posting a link to a random website is not against the law; therefore Nick and Co can't block it or ban the bot posting it. Have you ever seen what a bot swarm can do to a forum if left unchecked? The place becomes utterly unusable.

 

[Silvanus]

and some started refusing to cover them.

The White House Press conferences? I wasn't aware of any big-name national outlets that stopped reporting on the WH press conferences. Even if they had, it's not as if people were prevented from watching. They had ample coverage on numerous networks; more coverage that pretty much any other political conference gets around the world.

 

[Trunkage]

How does this law enable that to happen? I'm not seeing the connection.

This law just says "companies can't censor stuff UNLESS it's against the law".
It doesn't say "the government can order companies to censor whatever they want"

It's implicit that companies must censor things that are against the law, but that was always the case, and is even the case in the US, and probably where you live too, right?
Child Pornography is against the law and therefore, companies must censor it.
This law is kind of like saying "unless it's CP, you can't remove it".

The law I'm talking about in Australia means you HAVE to censor what the government deems inappropriate. Not just CP. Everything it decides is inappropriate. Death threats, what they might call conspiracy theories, news. If this site was run as a social media company on Australia, about a 1/3 of the post would have to be taken down

Are insults against the law where you live?

Hate Speech. No one has ever been convicted of Hate Speech here (or even got anywhere near close like Count Dankula in the UK.) But it's preemptive because companies dont know what the government would actually do if challenged. It also means I can't give you exact specifics because the line hasn't been formed yet by going through the courts.

Don't let your government determine what is censorship. It will backfire

 

[Houseman]

Why should a website be forced to allow their members to insult each other just because nothing said is against the law?

If we assume that the Polish law doesn't account for cases like this, then the answer to that is "because, in Poland, your right to free speech doesn't end once you sign a website's ToS", presumably.

But I'd have to read the law, to be able to tell whether or not they did anticipate and account for a case like this. That sounds like a problem, but not a "this'll cause the government to be able to censor whatever they want!" problem that Trunkage is talking about.

The law I'm talking about in Australia means you HAVE to censor what the government deems inappropriate. Not just CP. Everything it decides is inappropriate. Death threats, what they might call conspiracy theories, news. If this site was run as a social media company on Australia, about a 1/3 of the post would have to be taken down

I though we were talking about this Polish law, not your Australian laws?

Oh, I remember now, You're the guy that I have a hard time understanding and communicating with. It's happening again.

 

[Revnak]

Don’t know if it has already been brought up but due to the order in which services were denied to Parler, all of their user account data is getting grabbed including the photo ID of verified users.
Edit: also, please overlook the Reddit cringe, just using this because it’s a good explanation.

 

[Worgen]

But I'd have to read the law, to be able to tell whether or not they did anticipate and account for a case like this. That sounds like a problem, but not a "this'll cause the government to be able to censor whatever they want!" problem that Trunkage is talking about.

Well, lets say we had a law here like that. Then the government could fine you for having that icon that claims there were all these fake ballots, so you could be fined for spreading misinformation.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

The White House Press conferences? I wasn't aware of any big-name national outlets that stopped reporting on the WH press conferences. Even if they had, it's not as if people were prevented from watching. They had ample coverage on numerous networks; more coverage that pretty much any other political conference gets around the world.

Only some of them but yeh a few outlets said they wouldn't cover them and some only covered part of them.

I'm seriously tired of this "REEEEEE" victim complex bullshit by republicunts. We've had the most concrete and thorough real-life demonstration of bullshit peddled on the internet leading directly to tangible, real-life harm with this coup (barring the rohingya genocide, which people already forgot) and you rats still drool over free speech absolutism. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Play with fire and you get burned. For such proponents of personal responsibility and facing consequences for your actions y'all acting like a bunch of toddlers with this shit. Propagandists like Semen Chowder and Ben Shit-piro have relied on the knowledge that you can say 1000 lies in the time it takes to debunk one for far too long, and those are the lighweight versions of right-wing punditry. Fuck your feelings, this was long overdue.

Not a "Republicunt" here but I'm very much aware of how this kind of thing could be abused and there are examples of it being abused to hide and cover abuse. All restricting peoples speech does is drive it more underground onto services with more encryption like Signal or special access only forums. It makes it harder to monitor. Harder to track, harder to predict and harder to therefore prevent incidents happening.

Did you ever see the bit in Interstellar where the teacher claims the girl brought in books that were pushing conspiracy theories?


Beware where you start a fire because it may soon get somewhat out of control and burn things you thought were safe.

Personal responsibility should be speech against speech unless it absolutely cross the lines of the law then it's for the law to decide.

You say fuck peoples feelings. What happens when you feelings of what is right and wrong start to be fucked by people with no real accountability to anyone but governments, or worse when those unaccountable people become the governments because it's deemed democracy can't be trusted lest it give the world another Trump?

 

[Houseman]

Well, lets say we had a law here like that. Then the government could fine you for having that icon that claims there were all these fake ballots, so you could be fined for spreading misinformation.

This Polish law we're talking about says that companies cannot censor you UNLESS you post law-breaking content.
My avatar wouldn't be law-breaking content unless the US made a law saying "denying that the election was legitimate is illegal"

We're not talking about Australian "they can punish you for anything" laws.

 

[Worgen]

This Polish law we're talking about says that companies cannot censor you UNLESS you post law-breaking content.
My avatar wouldn't be law-breaking content unless the US made a law saying "denying that the election was legitimate is illegal"

No, they just need a law saying spreading misinformation is illegal and then boom, your fined since it would be illegal for you to have that.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

This is objectively false information. Uncritically parroting propaganda is a bad look.

Hawaii Proud Boy Charged By DOJ After Raiding US Capitol

Nicholas Ochs, a state House candidate and outspoken supporter of President Donald Trump, was an "easy target" for the feds, his attorney says.

www.civilbeat.org

Nicholas Ochs, founder of the Proud Boys Hawaii chapter and failed Republican state house candidate, was arrested last Thursday in connection with the storming of the capitol. He's also a confirmed Parler user; his posts were even included in the FBI's affidavit for the case.

I stand corrected then. Doesn't mean it still wasn't planned on Facebook though.

A month+ old video is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about what is being discussed here the past day or two.

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

Hahaha, Poland is quickly turning into the shit hole of Europe, the only thing that country is good for is cheap labor.

Want to have "LGBTQ+ Free" zones on one hand and not have their little feefees hurt by being moderated on forums on the other.

Right wing trash pile of a country.

Yeh that's a subreddit anyone can post anything there TBH.

 

[Houseman]

No, they just need a law saying spreading misinformation is illegal and then boom, your fined since it would be illegal for you to have that.

Yes, that would work.

But we don't have such a law, and neither does Poland, AFAIK. They have various "hate speech" laws, however.
Again, companies would already have to remove content that is illegal in the countries that they operate in, so this is nothing new.

 

[Revnak]

Oh, this is also a thing.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Would it be a bad time to ask if Kathy Griffin's decapitated Trump head covered in blood is considered a call to violence now or now?

 

[Avnger]

Would it be a bad time to ask if Kathy Griffin's decapitated Trump head covered in blood is considered a call to violence now or now?

Under US law, it's not even close.

 

[ObsidianJones]

So, what do we do when we're in this predicament?

Trump and his cronies lie. Often. Trump and his cronies try to have the courts stop the process. The few times the judges ask for evidence, Trump's cronies shy away when asked

Trump's legal team cried vote fraud, but courts found none

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — As they frantically searched for ways to salvage President Donald Trump's failed reelection bid, his campaign pursued a dizzying game of legal hopscotch across six states that centered on the biggest prize of all: Pennsylvania.

apnews.com

“I felt insidious fraud going on,” Philadelphia poll watcher Lisette Tarragano said when Giuliani called her to the microphone at the landscaping company.

In fact, a Republican runs the city’s election board, and has said his office got death threats as Trump’s rants about the election intensified. No judges ever found any evidence of election fraud in Pennsylvania or any other state where the campaign sued — not in Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada or Georgia.

Instead, Trump lawyers found themselves backpedaling when pressed in court for admissible evidence, or dropping out when they were accused of helping derail the democratic process.

“I am asking you as a member of the bar of this court, are people representing the Donald J. Trump for president (campaign) … in that room?” U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond asked at an after-hours hearing on Nov. 5, when Republicans asked him to stop the vote count in Philadelphia over their alleged banishment.

“There’s a nonzero number of people in the room,” lawyer Jerome Marcus replied.

The count continued in Philadelphia. The Trump losses kept coming. By Friday, Nov. 6, when a state appeals court rejected a Republican complaint over provisional ballots and a Philadelphia judge refused to throw out 8,300 mail-in ballots they challenged, Biden was up by about 27,000

When given audiences in front of the court, Trump and his team offer nothing of substantial evidence. Trump and his team turn this into "They aren't even listening to your distrust of this election, America!". Trump's America believes it. It goes on and on, unchecked. Not heeding the word of their own judges and elected officials.

We've had one incursion at the Capitol. And as I posted in a different thread, we will most likely have more.

FBI warns 'armed protests' being planned at all 50 state capitols and in Washington DC

The FBI has received information indicating "armed protests" are being planned at all 50 state capitols and the US Capitol in Washington, DC in the days leading up to President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20, according to an internal bulletin obtained by CNN.

www.cnn.com

And we feel it's unfair that someone was 'silenced' because he couldn't follow guidelines after [years and years of the company bending to appease him?

Then we actually need to have a serious conversation about Priorities. But one man feeling sad that he can't get everything he wants means nothing to the actual fracturing of the United States.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

New one Ron Paul blocked from managing his public facebook pressence.

Under US law, it's not even close.

Oh so specific laws now matter?


I thought we were for the big tech companies making the decisions now?

 

[Houseman]

Under US law, it's not even close.

Yeah, it's not like saying "go march peacefully to the capitol", because that's inciting violence!

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So, what do we do when we're in this predicament?

Trump and his cronies lie. Often. Trump and his cronies try to have the courts stop the process. The few times the judges ask for evidence, Trump's cronies shy away when asked

Trump's legal team cried vote fraud, but courts found none

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — As they frantically searched for ways to salvage President Donald Trump's failed reelection bid, his campaign pursued a dizzying game of legal hopscotch across six states that centered on the biggest prize of all: Pennsylvania.

apnews.com

When given audiences in front of the court, Trump and his team offer nothing of substantial evidence. Trump and his team turn this into "They aren't even listening to your distrust of this election, America!". Trump's America believes it. It goes on and on, unchecked. Not heeding the word of their own judges and elected officials.

We've had one incursion at the Capitol. And as I posted in a different thread, we will most likely have more.

FBI warns 'armed protests' being planned at all 50 state capitols and in Washington DC

The FBI has received information indicating "armed protests" are being planned at all 50 state capitols and the US Capitol in Washington, DC in the days leading up to President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20, according to an internal bulletin obtained by CNN.

www.cnn.com

And we feel it's unfair that someone was 'silenced' because he couldn't follow guidelines after [years and years of the company bending to appease him?

Then we actually need to have a serious conversation about Priorities. But one man feeling sad that he can't get everything he wants means nothing to the actual fracturing of the United States.

I'm surprised at the headline courts found none. None substantial enough to swing the election would be more accurate.

I can point to at least 1 lol

Limestone County Social Worker Charged With 134 Felony Counts Involving Election Fraud

Attorney General Ken Paxton today announced that his Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner, a social worker in the Mexia State Supported Living Center (SSLC), with 134 felony counts of purportedly acting as an agent and...

www.texasattorneygeneral.gov

 

[Avnger]

Yeah, it's not like saying "go march peacefully to the capitol", because that's inciting violence!

After the months of inflammatory rhetoric beforehand and the end result being a violent storming of the Capitol building, that would be correct.