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I promised myself I wouldn't say anything about The Last of Us season 2 but holy smackers if that last episodes (ep 2) wasn't the most thrilling hour of TV we watched in a while. My wife basically stopped breathing for like 40 minutes, especially during the sequence of Abby in the cold hell of mushroom zombie land.

I love how badass they made Tommy and his wife, how great they portray and caste Jesse and Dina, and pretty much everything about how Joel was framed and acted. And of course the BIG EVENT at the end did its job in utterly stunning my wife who managed to stay clear of the spoiler even though she does have access to the internet and is married to me, seemingly that last remaining fanboy of this IP.

Then I checked reactions online and pigs are bitching about Bella Ramsey's looks. We just legit don't deserve good things as a people.
 

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The Bondsman (Prime Video)

"Kevin Bacon hunts demons". He plays a bail bondsman who gets killed (he's not very good), promptly resurrected and entrusted to hunt down the possessed undead. It's a breezy high concept that clocks about 30 minutes of action/comedy per episode, although if you ask me the show wastes too much time on family drama. Gore's fine for being mostly digital but often the actual confrontation is really not worth all the build up. Like there's very little to actually dispatching the demons: dropping a filing cabinet or using a boot knife will do the trick on Valacor, Custodian of Souls. So not much of an impression so far, although it's nice to see Kevin Bacon as the lead for a change.
 
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Andor (Season 1)

There has been a high number of recent Star Wars streaming series to the point that I imagine, regardless of their average quality, it would be all but impossible even for the biggest Star Wars fans to keep up with them without getting burnt out. I haven't bothered with most of them since the first season of Mandalorian but people've been singing the praises for Andor ever since the first season premiered in 2022 which is why I finally decided to bite the bullet and actually watch it.

Andor, for better and for worse, resolves to take Star Wars seriously. Which is not a decision I categorically disagree with, I think that the setting can accommodate gritty drama along with light hearted adventure but I'd have to lie if I said I didn't somewhat prefer the latter. Andor depicts the Star Wars universe in the early years of the Empire as a totalitarian dystopia. Mass surveillance, military occupation, dismantling of the rule of law, cruel labour camps, torture of prisoners... all that good stuff. It mostly follows titular character Cassian Andor, played by Diego Luna, a young man from an underdeveloped planet who gets roped into what would eventually develop into the rebellion.

There's some more stuff going on, despite its title it's an ensemble series. There's some political intrigue between wealthy dissidents in the galactic capital of Coruscant, a subplot about the imperial secret police and their internal disagreements, a plot arc set in an imperial prison. It casts a pretty wide net. Star Wars isn't exactly a world of great moral complexity. There isn't exactly a coherent ideology to the Empire's repression which is precisely why a show like Andor never needs to challenge that ideology. It's a a straw dictatorship built around a notion of generalized totalitarianism, the most interesting aspect of it being the fact that the leadership is secretly part of ancient esoteric religious sect. With that not being a factor in this show, Andor focuses not much on the ideology of the Empire as on its mechanisms.

It doesn't exactly present anything resembling an ambiguous conflict. To be fair, doing that is probably not possible. The Empire, in the larger Star Wars series, is practically introduced blowing up an entire planet, just to make an example of it. At that point you can't really turn around and ask people to consider whether they might have a good side. Andor's claim to emotional maturity mainly comes from depicting the early rebellion as a loose coalition of squabbling factions and morally ambivalent pragmatism which is frequently genuinely interesting.

A lot of your enjoyment of Andor will depend on whether you think there is a point to playing Star Wars as a gritty drama about life under dictatorship. Because, mind, I do understand what people see in this series. The multiple view points, relatively unflinching violence, gloomy imagery and understated acting along with some genuinely heady dialogue give it an appearance of prestige television that works hard at attempting to elevate the material from its pulp space opera roots. The light sabers and most of the other more whimsical, fantastical elements are practically entirely absent from Andor and very rarely is an attempt at comic relief made. If nothing else, it commits to what it's doing.

I liked Andor well enough for what it is, but I also don't particularly feel like I need more of it. It's just... this shows the central conflict of the Star Wars series from a fresh new angle and with a very different tone. Which is cool. It focuses on the suffering and the brutality of the Empire's rule and on the way people are starting to defy it. It conveys all of that quite effectively, it has strong world building, we get a feel for what the world of Star Wars was actually like during that time period. But now that that's been established, where are you gonna go from there? Because we know how this conflict will be resolved. That's what the original movies are about. At this point I feel like all that's left to do with another season is insist on the points the first season has already made.

Like I said, I liked this fine, I get why so many people like it. I'm happy I've seen it. But I don't exactly feel like there's much more mileage left to it and I don't think think there's much point to continuing it, just because it's popular. Then again, that's what can be said for the Star Wars series as a whole, isn't it?
 

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Andor (Season 1)

There has been a high number of recent Star Wars streaming series to the point that I imagine, regardless of their average quality, it would be all but impossible even for the biggest Star Wars fans to keep up with them without getting burnt out. I haven't bothered with most of them since the first season of Mandalorian but people've been singing the praises for Andor ever since the first season premiered in 2022 which is why I finally decided to bite the bullet and actually watch it.

Andor, for better and for worse, resolves to take Star Wars seriously. Which is not a decision I categorically disagree with, I think that the setting can accommodate gritty drama along with light hearted adventure but I'd have to lie if I said I didn't somewhat prefer the latter. Andor depicts the Star Wars universe in the early years of the Empire as a totalitarian dystopia. Mass surveillance, military occupation, dismantling of the rule of law, cruel labour camps, torture of prisoners... all that good stuff. It mostly follows titular character Cassian Andor, played by Diego Luna, a young man from an underdeveloped planet who gets roped into what would eventually develop into the rebellion.

There's some more stuff going on, despite its title it's an ensemble series. There's some political intrigue between wealthy dissidents in the galactic capital of Coruscant, a subplot about the imperial secret police and their internal disagreements, a plot arc set in an imperial prison. It casts a pretty wide net. Star Wars isn't exactly a world of great moral complexity. There isn't exactly a coherent ideology to the Empire's repression which is precisely why a show like Andor never needs to challenge that ideology. It's a a straw dictatorship built around a notion of generalized totalitarianism, the most interesting aspect of it being the fact that the leadership is secretly part of ancient esoteric religious sect. With that not being a factor in this show, Andor focuses not much on the ideology of the Empire as on its mechanisms.

It doesn't exactly present anything resembling an ambiguous conflict. To be fair, doing that is probably not possible. The Empire, in the larger Star Wars series, is practically introduced blowing up an entire planet, just to make an example of it. At that point you can't really turn around and ask people to consider whether they might have a good side. Andor's claim to emotional maturity mainly comes from depicting the early rebellion as a loose coalition of squabbling factions and morally ambivalent pragmatism which is frequently genuinely interesting.

A lot of your enjoyment of Andor will depend on whether you think there is a point to playing Star Wars as a gritty drama about life under dictatorship. Because, mind, I do understand what people see in this series. The multiple view points, relatively unflinching violence, gloomy imagery and understated acting along with some genuinely heady dialogue give it an appearance of prestige television that works hard at attempting to elevate the material from its pulp space opera roots. The light sabers and most of the other more whimsical, fantastical elements are practically entirely absent from Andor and very rarely is an attempt at comic relief made. If nothing else, it commits to what it's doing.

I liked Andor well enough for what it is, but I also don't particularly feel like I need more of it. It's just... this shows the central conflict of the Star Wars series from a fresh new angle and with a very different tone. Which is cool. It focuses on the suffering and the brutality of the Empire's rule and on the way people are starting to defy it. It conveys all of that quite effectively, it has strong world building, we get a feel for what the world of Star Wars was actually like during that time period. But now that that's been established, where are you gonna go from there? Because we know how this conflict will be resolved. That's what the original movies are about. At this point I feel like all that's left to do with another season is insist on the points the first season has already made.

Like I said, I liked this fine, I get why so many people like it. I'm happy I've seen it. But I don't exactly feel like there's much more mileage left to it and I don't think think there's much point to continuing it, just because it's popular. Then again, that's what can be said for the Star Wars series as a whole, isn't it?
I kind of agree.

My whole thing with Andor is it gives adults who take Star Wars seriously but do understand how inherently silly such an attitude is and excuse to continue doing this.

What I mean is- and especially for folks my age, the gen-x-ers, who loves the original as a kid and always wanted more more more than the prequels and everything happened to remind us that this is children's entertainment. But as with so much nostalgia some still want to take this stuff seriously, "ruined my childhood," finding themes and wanting "gritty" but not letting go of their old favorites.

And since then we had prestige TV that let us feel smart and grown-up while doing our favorite activity- passively sitting in front of the tube consuming content. We convinced ourselves that Mad Men and The Bear is a good use of our time and brain.

We're at this insane point where Andor is praised for not having jedi and lightsabers. I mean... should the next Superman movie not have a handsome man flying around fighting bad guys? Should Star Trek not have trekking across the stars?
(The correct actually grown up answer is that all this stuff should just end already)

So I like this idea that Andor is prestige TV for Star Wars babbie-heads.
All that to say- the performances and direction are so good that I do like the show.

The second season is being praised as the greatest thing on earth since penicillin and I do look forward to watching it (when my wife comes back from her trip, which is also telling of the show's quality as she's even less of a SW give-a-shitter than me). And I know I'll like it but I also laugh at the extensive praise.

Another reason the show works is it's the same world and characters as Rogue One, which is literally that only Star Wars movie I actually like as a story since Return of the Jedi (I have seen all the prequels and sequels in the theater and I just went for the spectacle, which I enjoyed, but there's no way I consider them actually good movies. That is- jedi and lightsaber are kind of the point of Star Wars!)
 
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Dope Thief, AppleTV+

8 episode miniseries* about two dudes that pretend to be DEA agents to rob small-time drug dealers but they get trapped into ripping off a powerful cartel style operation and all kinds of violence and drama goes down. Stars Brian Tyree Henry (Atlanta, Bullet Train) with supporting roles by Wagner Moura, Kate Mulgrew, Ving Rhames and other good actors whose names I don't know.

It's the kind of show you can watch a trailer and immediately know if it's for you and it mostly delivers. Including the pacing- I had the feeling that it would have been an solid movie but would be weaker for being dragged out across and series and I my suspicions were correct. Most of the drag come around Moura's character, with his existential crises and personal drama which is too bad because I had hoped it would strengthen the show with a strong character dynamic but it felt more scattered and distracting.

Other than that though it's standard thriller drama well produced with Apple money and if you like crime dramas and have an Apple TV sub, it's some good viewing.

* the ending left the possibility for more story way open though
 

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Government Cheese, episodes 1-5, Apple TV+

Yeah I guess I'm the self-designated Apple TV guy...

This new thing star David Oyelowo who is like the new Christian Bale, really chameleoning himself across the US and Britain and playing all kinds of different roles.

This show is like if Wes Anderson and the Coen Brothers got together and decided to make up for their blindingly white casts thus far and get their reparations out of the way in one shot. Mid-20th-century setting; bright and pastel colors; sharp framing cuts; quirky characters with their quirks, quirking it up all over the place, with their precocious quirkiness.

The first four episodes are touch and go- I nearly bailed from all the quirkiness, I can only take too much. When they give us a manic pixie dream girl so manic and so pixie I couldn't believe it, I didn't know if I even wanted to continue, but I like the cast so much (mostly Oyelowo of course but the women who plays his wife who was also Netflix Luke Cage's girlfriend is so much my kind of eye candy and oh yeah she's a good at acting) that I figured I'd give it the one more episode available as of now.

Well, episode 5 is a helluva good time! Maybe it's because the Coen Bros influence outweighs the Wes Anderson, which is where my heart lies. It's a caper- a stupid, stupid caper, and I like those, and it was very funny.
 
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Dramarama: Snap 1987

Came across a mention of this in the Curious British Telly blog, and it is on youtube:


Ok, the British countryside of the 70s and 80s always seemed to me to be an appropriate place for weird and/or horror stuff. This one has all the style, but not sure fussed on the actual substance.
 

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The Ăşltimos of nosotros

The show continues to deflate the outrage that fueled Ellie's revenge quest in the game: three months go by before it even occurs to her to go after Abby's Scooby Gang (Dina finally gives up their names and location). This also means show!Tommy is unusually even-tempered and wants no part in avenging his bro: whereas in the game he gets the head start on Ellie, here he's not even aware she's gone (and helped by Bigot Sandwich himself, too, which further tells you the show isn't on her side and neither should we). The town puts it to a vote, in a scene that as it dragged on was beginning to give me Star Wars prequel flashbacks, and it's a resounding 8 to 3 against unaliving Josie and the Pussycats. There's also a scene of Tommy talking with boozehound shrink Catherine O'Hara, who continues to speculate on the show's themes and characters while bringing the energy of a wine aunt tuning in every Sunday night.

It's an uneventful ride to Seattle, where the episode cuts. The show fast-tracks the Seraphites and we get a scene where Seraphite dad explains to Seraphite daughter what being a Seraphite is all about, just in case showing it isn't good enough. Later we see the WLF marching up and down ze square and I wonder if cutting back and forth between all these different perspectives doesn't undermine the story's very deliberate use of tunnel vision in its bait-and-switch narrative.

For positives, Ellie and Dina have very nice chemistry between them. It's just that they read more as buddies than lovers. I noticed Dina is now basically Ellie to Ellie's Joel, playfully pestering her with games and questions, while Ellie seems mostly irritated by her. I thought they were gonna get frisky in that tent to the gentle guitar plucking of Santaolalla (wouldn't be the first time) but no, just your average teenage sleepover. But I do appreciate that they're clearly distinct personalities instead of flatly echoing each other like in the game.
 

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The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 3

Just when I thought things really weren't going to get any better this show actually manages to pick itself back up a bit. And again it's because it veers away from what the game did. Ellie now doesn't immediately leave Jackson, there's a 3 month timeskip where we see both her and the other characters actually reflect and try to process what happened. The problem in the game (among others) is that the player goes from brutally, traumatic death scene to two characters casually gabbing on horseback within the span of 10 minutes. The game doesn't give the player room to breath and grieve before setting you off on the typical Naughty Dog adventure. I also liked getting that scene where Tommy gets to say goodbye to Joel. It's weird when you think about it, but we never get to see Tommy's response to his brother's death in the game, only really his response to Ellie wanting revenge. But in the show we get a nice little moment.

Ellie is also actually a bit smarter and rational this time, not petulently stomping her feet immediately demanding Tommy give her to go-ahead. It's good that they changed Tommy not going out, because honestly him being an important member of the Jackson community and just leaving, and leaving his wife, felt so out of character in the game. And now with him in the show having a young son, him leaving would've kind of made his character irredeemable. I liked Seth being on Ellie's side, and Lord Jesus in Heaven what I would've given for those two to have teamed up to go after Abby. That wou'd've been so fucking hilarious! Of course Seth backing her up is supposed to imply how wrong Ellie is - Seth being generally motivated by spite and anger, and now Ellie going the same route. It's obvious, but I like that they managed to tie this into the story.

Ellie feels like her character has bit more wiggle room, judging from this episode at least. It's unfortunately stated outright by Miss Christopher Nolan (Cathrine O 'Hara), that she's lying about how she feels and why she wants to go after Abby's crew, but it's good that her character will (hopefully) go through some changes. As opposed to the game where there's frankly no difference between how Ellie is at the start and at the end. I liked the town meeting, eventhough I already knew the outcome - the request is denied and Ellie is going go sneak out - because it again atleast adresses something the game almost completely ignored; Ellie is abandoning her community. In the game we have Tommy stating they'd be leaving Jackson vulnerable once, but apart from that the fact that Ellie leaves her community that she looks out for and who look out for her, AND brings Dina along with her, doesn't factor into the themes. And Ellie in the show trying to twist her need for vengeance into looking out for her community already makes her character a lot more interesting than she was in the game.

Also, don't know if they deliberately choose to make the graveyard Joel is buried at look exactly like the valley that Ellie and Dina settle in near the end of the game, but it looks identical.

So yeah, this was a lot better than the previous two episodes.
 

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One more thing I noticed about Episode 3. It was directed by the same guy who directed Episode 3 of Season 1, which probably explains why there's scenes that actually have nice lighting.
 

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Doctor who, Season 2 - Episode 15: The well

I am shocked I tell you. Genuinely Shocked.
Another good episode. That's two good episodes in a row. Whats happening in the writers room?
The episode was a sequel to one of Tennants episodes, "Midnight" and seeing a brief clip from the episode included was a real throwback. I thought it was kinda stupid how they change into the same costumes the crew of the ship were wearing and I couldn't tell if they were actually doing sign language or if it was supposed to be some sort of future language or something. Turns out the character was indeed deaf. Also no-one questions a police box just appearing in their ship and two new people just randomly showing up?
That aside, no real complaints with the episode. It was good, genuinely good.

Just a shame that its probably too little, too late. The first season was abysmal, and never really picked up. I would not be surprised if the show did indeed end up going on hiatus after this season, or the next one assuming its greenlit though I'm not holding my breath.


Also, don't know if they deliberately choose to make the graveyard Joel is buried at look exactly like the valley that Ellie and Dina settle in near the end of the game, but it looks identical.
Had the same thought.
The shows been enjoyable enough so far, even if this episode has begun to diverge from the game and makes me wonder how much they'll change.
 

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Daredevil: Born Again - S1E9: A wonderful into a season finale, and I can't wait for the second season. It was nice seeing Frank and Daredevil team up. It was especially extra gratifying when Frank was killing those wannabe Punisher cops left and right. Disney and Marvel definitely had a mission statement against those type of people in real life and are telling them the fuck off.
 

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Started Daredevil: Born Again, and was quickly reminded how great this show was/is. Imho, it's likely the best thing to come out of Marvel's convoluted mess to date. That said, I've not seen most of it, but what I have seen is a gnarled, uninteresting, confusing, and flashy mess; Daredevil is tight, focused, and dramatically intense. I like that it can be enjoyed by those who don't like all the superhero shit, because that stuff is relegated to "on an as need basis," and not the focus of throwaway spectacle.
 
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The Rehearsal

It's back and 2 episodes in season 2 so far and I'm not gonna review or talk about each episode other than to call attention to it. I am indeed a total and complete Nathan Fielder fanboy at this point and I watch everything he makes while sitting on the edge of my seat.
 
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The Eternaut, on Netflix

It's a decent attempt at adapting the comic (from 1957) while also modernizing it, for good and bad.

Two out of six episodes in and evidently this season will be more like a quarter of the book rather than the whole thing. I get it.

The premise: a killer snowfall wipes out most of the population in Buenos Aires (presumably the whole world) and the hero takes to wandering the urban wasteland looking for his daughter, donning what is basically a diving suit for protection. This is somewhat of an Americanization of the plot, which follows the disaster movie precept of a divorced dad proving himself to his estranged wife and endangered daughter. In the comic they're one happy family, though the wife and daughter are barely characters, and the hero fucks off to join the armed forces in the resistance movement.

Production value is fine, the CG landscape of frozen corpses and snow-covered skylines is distinctive and doesn't look half bad, and the show makes the most out of the very primitive tension of fearing the very air you breathe. The acting is fine but doesn't stand out, and the bickering feels forced. You didn't have this kind of infighting in the original comic, but then squabbling and infighting between the good guys is what fuels most stories these days.
 
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Started Daredevil: Born Again, and was quickly reminded how great this show was/is. Imho, it's likely the best thing to come out of Marvel's convoluted mess to date. That said, I've not seen most of it, but what I have seen is a gnarled, uninteresting, confusing, and flashy mess; Daredevil is tight, focused, and dramatically intense. I like that it can be enjoyed by those who don't like all the superhero shit, because that stuff is relegated to "on an as need basis," and not the focus of throwaway spectacle.
Aaaaaand, I finished Daredevil: Born Again. Fucking loved it. I wish Marvel would give more of their characters this kind of grown-up treatment; back away from the flashy spectacle and all-skates with a dozen characters sticking their wet fingers in each other's ears making for a blindingly homogenous mixture of "what the fuck-ery," and focus on the individual characters and flesh them out.

Since the series started, Daredevil has been an indictment against Marvel (or Disney, or Sony, I don't fucking know who's responsible; whoever points the finger and says "make some more shit,") proof that they ARE capable of respecting our intelligence, and proof that they simply choose not to. They're content throwing teams of CGI technicians and monkeys with typewriters into an infinite budget to make something so overwhelming to the senses, and so much of it, that we are distracted from the almost complete lack of substance! If "they" made more tight and focused stuff like Daredevil, you could easily count me as a fan, but as long they stay focused on putting butt$ in theater$, I'll remain on the outs, and just wait for new seasons of Born Again.

10/10, recommend.
 

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Aaaaaand, I finished Daredevil: Born Again. Fucking loved it. I wish Marvel would give more of their characters this kind of grown-up treatment; back away from the flashy spectacle and all-skates with a dozen characters sticking their wet fingers in each other's ears making for a blindingly homogenous mixture of "what the fuck-ery," and focus on the individual characters and flesh them out.

Since the series started, Daredevil has been an indictment against Marvel (or Disney, or Sony, I don't fucking know who's responsible; whoever points the finger and says "make some more shit,") proof that they ARE capable of respecting our intelligence, and proof that they simply choose not to. They're content throwing teams of CGI technicians and monkeys with typewriters into an infinite budget to make something so overwhelming to the senses, and so much of it, that we are distracted from the almost complete lack of substance! If "they" made more tight and focused stuff like Daredevil, you could easily count me as a fan, but as long they stay focused on putting butt$ in theater$, I'll remain on the outs, and just wait for new seasons of Born Again.

10/10, recommend.
My sister has been mainlining the first three seasons and forcing her way through The Defenders to get ready to watch this season. Pretty excited as well.
 

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My sister has been mainlining the first three seasons and forcing her way through The Defenders to get ready to watch this season. Pretty excited as well.
See, this is the "what the fuck-ery" I'm talking about. I didn't even know The Defenders was a thing. I don't want to watch all of that; what the hell is wrong with a focused, self-contained story that doesn't require watching a thousand other things to get the full picture? This is not entertainment; it's a fucking chore, a task, an unpaid job, nay, a job we PAY to do with streaming fees. Why does anyone think it's a good idea to turn leisurely watching into a got damn puzzle??

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Why does anyone think it's a good idea to turn leisurely watching into a got damn puzzle??
Because it worked before, but with much tighter structure at the time. Because the consumers asked for it and Disney delivered. Though there were several others that point out the flaws Or a problem with the style beforehand and nobody wanted to listen, until 2020.

through The Defenders to get ready to watch this season. Pretty excited as well.
The Defenders still holds up well and I actually enjoy it more than the first avengers movie. It has its flaws but it has good pacing overall, and I love all the character interactions. We got a cool separate comic run that came out of it too and I got all issues in two volumes.


This is not entertainment; it's a fucking chore, a task, an unpaid job, nay, a job we PAY to do with streaming fees.
You can actually skip the first two seasons of Iron 👊 Fist and not miss anything. Those are Still at the time when these shows were on Netflix, and before everything was falling apart between them and Disney.
 
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