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Gender is a social construct. Societal pressure is the pressure. There is no concept of gender within yourself in a vacuum, it all comes from societal norms.
Societal norms?

The nuclear family was a made up concept to force people to live a certain way. It was based on what very rich elite did 1950/60 in America. It was never how most people in America lived before, after or even during the target time

The gender norms that lead on from this were only true for rich elites. Eg. Before 1900, 30%ish of workers were women. Only the elite women had the luxury of not working. The reason why families had far more children than today is because they were financially illiterate and did not understand the costs of children.... or they could just sell them. Its not a societal norm. It was social control like what you see at the same time in China or Soviet Russia
 
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The reason why families had far more children than today is because they were financially illiterate and did not understand the costs of children.... or they could just sell them.
Also, due to much higher infant mortality, and lack of reliable contraception.
 

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Also, due to much higher infant mortality, and lack of reliable contraception.
And also that, since before the 20th century the largest percentage of people worked as farmers, each child that survived was another worker on the farm. Ready labor pool.

Part of the reason more people have had fewer children in recent decades also reflects the simple reality that as a society obtains more material comforts, the number of children per family tends to drop with each generation.
 
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Societal norms?

The nuclear family was a made up concept to force people to live a certain way. It was based on what very rich elite did 1950/60 in America. It was never how most people in America lived before, after or even during the target time

The gender norms that lead on from this were only true for rich elites. Eg. Before 1900, 30%ish of workers were women. Only the elite women had the luxury of not working. The reason why families had far more children than today is because they were financially illiterate and did not understand the costs of children.... or they could just sell them. Its not a societal norm. It was social control like what you see at the same time in China or Soviet Russia
The observation that people didn't used to live in single family homes with just both parents and their children is accurate, but your conclusions are rather silly. It does not take social control for people to change the way they act in changing circumstances. It could be that people are emulating the rich on their own. College is like that too, some people go to college for a specific career, others for genuine passion, but the majority going to college do so because that's what the wealthy and successful did. It does not take a conspiracy for people to emulate those they perceive as successful. Additionally, it could be that people always would have wanted to live that way but didn't have the means to. Maybe 150 years ago people would have lived as nuclear families the same way they would have had indoor plumbing if it was a real option for them.

We don't accuse China of social control because their people act in certain uniform ways, that's going to be true of any culture. We accuse China of social control because the Cultural Revolution slaughtered millions and now they implemented a social credit system that manages the behavior of every citizen as monitored by hundreds of millions of surveillance cameras around the country tracking people's public actions.

To be clear, I am not trying to imply societal norms are a bad thing to have, only saying that they are malleable. If a norm makes people miserable, we can change it.
 

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This is just digsusting. Everything about this stinks to high heaven, and the sycophants in charge deserve an ass kicking and actual prison time.



US military commanders have been invoking extremist Christian rhetoric about biblical “end times” to justify involvement in the Iran war to troops, according to complaints made to a watchdog group.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) says it has received more than 200 complaints from service members across all branches of the armed forces, including the marines, air force and space force.


One complainant, identified as a noncommissioned officer (NCO) in a unit that could be deployed “at any moment to join” operations against Iran, told MRFF in a complaint viewed by the Guardian that their commander had “urged us to tell our troops that this was ‘all part of God’s divine plan’ and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ”.

“He said that ‘President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth’”, the NCO added.

The NCO’s complaint was filed on behalf of 15 troops, including 11 Christians, one Muslim person and one Jewish person. The complaint was first shared by MRFF with Jonathan Larsen, an independent journalist.

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“Anytime Israel or the US is involved in the Middle East, we get this stuff about Christian nationalists who’ve taken over our government, and certainly our US military,” Mikey Weinstein, MRFF’s president, who is an air force veteran, told the Guardian.

“Military members are not really able to stand up for themselves, because your military superior is not your shift manager at Starbucks,” he added.

In a statement, Weinstein suggested the reports indicate an increase in Christian extremism in the military, noting that the complainants “report the unrestricted euphoria of their commanders” who perceive a “‘biblically-sanctioned’ war that is clearly the undeniable sign of the expeditious approach of the fundamentalist Christian ‘End Times’.”

He said that the complaints show a clear violation of the separation of church and state.

Pete Hegseth, the US defense secretary, is known for his embrace of Christian nationalism. He previously endorsed the doctrine of “sphere sovereignty”, a worldview derived from the extremist beliefs of Christian reconstructionism (CR). The philosophy calls for capital punishment for homosexuality and strictly patriarchal families and churches.

In August 2025, Hegseth reposted a CNN segment on X focusing on pastor Doug Wilson, a Christian nationalist who co-founded the Idaho-based Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches (CREC). In the segment, Wilson says he does not believe women should hold leadership positions in the military or be able to fill high-profile combat roles.

“I would like to see this nation being a Christian nation, and I would like this world to be a Christian world,” Wilson said.

In response to a request for comment on the complaints, the Pentagon did not reply, instead sharing public clips of Hegseth discussing the operation in Iran.
 
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The nuclear family was a made up concept to force people to live a certain way. It was based on what very rich elite did 1950/60 in America.
The communist manifesto criticized the nuclear family more than 100 years earlier than 1950. So it's moreso what the very rich elite did 1830/40 in England.

Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the intervention direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.

The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.

But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the bourgeoisie in chorus.

The bourgeois sees his wife as a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion than that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.

He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.

For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce community of women; it has existed almost from time immemorial.

Our bourgeois, not content with having wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other’s wives.

Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.
 

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We don't accuse China of social control because their people act in certain uniform ways, that's going to be true of any culture. We accuse China of social control because the Cultural Revolution slaughtered millions and now they implemented a social credit system that manages the behavior of every citizen as monitored by hundreds of millions of surveillance cameras around the country tracking people's public actions.
I could agree with some of what you said but this? I can't look at US history and say that they didn't try the same thing. It just did not kill the same number of people... in the US. Around the world? The US has killed 10s of millions to force its ideas onto others since WW2. The US has PRISM. It has FLOCK. It incarcerates more people per 100, 000 citizens than any other country. You are being monitored. You will be punished. People lost their jobs and get socially isolated if they say the wrong thing. It's why protesters AND ICE are wearing masks.

The US is not as bad as China... but it still has excessive social control

Edit: I missed things like segregation
 
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Man, some crazy coincidences! Once again there are JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST enough Democrats to make sure Trump and Republicans get exactly what they want!


Awful lot of coincidences like that lately, eh?
 

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Tacticool Barbie has been told to hit the bricks.


Violating the Constitution, committing horrendous human rights violations, being responsible for the deaths of American citizens- ain't no thing. But making Trump look bad? That gets you out the door tout suite.
 

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Tacticool Barbie has been told to hit the bricks.


Violating the Constitution, committing horrendous human rights violations, being responsible for the deaths of American citizens- ain't no thing. But making Trump look bad? That gets you out the door tout suite.
Lets hope her career will be as alive as the puppy she murdered after this.
 

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Tacticool Barbie has been told to hit the bricks.


Violating the Constitution, committing horrendous human rights violations, being responsible for the deaths of American citizens- ain't no thing. But making Trump look bad? That gets you out the door tout suite.
But, who will fly the fuck plane now?
 

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Noem testified twice under oath that Trump knew about the $220m border ad campaign (a big chunk of which was paid to a friend of hers, and featuring her horseback riding at Mt Rushmore).

Trump says he never heard anything about it.

So, Noem committing perjury? Or just Trump lying?
 

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I would say Trump lying.

But could also be a case of "Trump forgetting" or "Trump only hearing stuff he wants to hear". Pretty much every time Trump recounts a conversation, it has little resemblance to what actually was said and that is not just because Trump lies all the time - he also does not live in the real world.
 

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Noem testified twice under oath that Trump knew about the $220m border ad campaign (a big chunk of which was paid to a friend of hers, and featuring her horseback riding at Mt Rushmore).

Trump says he never heard anything about it.

So, Noem committing perjury? Or just Trump lying?
Either could easily be the case. Trump is openly corrupt and wishes to further corruption in politics. He also betrays everyone unwisely enough to partner up with him, so its in line with his conduct to agree to the corruption, only to abandon Noem the moment it comes to light.

On the other hand Noem might be too much in the spotlight, and not high enough in Trump's inner circle for Trump to allow her to go thieving. Trump might hold his partners in crime to higher standards.
 

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Man, some crazy coincidences! Once again there are JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST enough Democrats to make sure Trump and Republicans get exactly what they want!


Awful lot of coincidences like that lately, eh?
Possible more a case of giving Israël what they want, rather than Trump, as AIPAC happens to be top donor for all four. Tho same applies to a lot of Dem leadership, so perhaps order came from on high, and these four were elected, or volunteered, to be 'villain of the week'
 

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Awful lot of coincidences like that lately, eh?
Tucker Carlson could provide the US left more leadership on this than the Democratic Party. Also, take a look at this delicious takedown of the Democratic Party response to the State of the Union Address.

I'm loving listening to the US tear bloody chunks out of each other over this: people who sound like they actually believe in something.