Harry Potter and the Deja Vu

[Satinavian]

And the thing purist seem to miss is that despite being born for the role Alan Rickman wasn't actually really like book Snape either. In looks perhaps, but Alan Rickman's Snape is a cold fish through and through while Book Snape is actually rather emotional and explosively tempered.

True.

But honestly ? Movie Snape was the better character.

 

[thebobmaster]

I do like Edgar Wright as Hagrid. I love that dude.

I think the problem people will have is that the big main characters have become so iconic that new castings for them are going to feel really fucking odd.

Emma Watson is basically only known for being Hermione, and while Radcliff is a fantastic actor outside of Potter he's still just so iconically Potter that I feel bad for this new kid.

It's gonna feel the same when Wolverine gets a movie without Hugh Jackman eventually too.

You mean Nick Frost?

 

[CriticalGaming]

You mean Nick Frost?

I do. I dont know where that other name came from.

 

[thebobmaster]

I do. I dont know where that other name came from.

I do. Edgar Wright directed the Cornetto Trilogy, which stars Nick Frost and Simon Pegg.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I mean Death Eaters and their junior division at Hogwards called Slytherin basically is the clan anyway so that tracks.

I think the house elf subplot kinda makes a black Hermoine a bad idea. Her whole plotpoint is based around Hermoine just not ''getting'' the glory of house elf slavery and that she's just really silly about it.

So now we got the black teenage girl being ridiculed for....having strong opinions against slavery. Oh dear oh dear. I'm mostly indifferent to race swapping but if they don't rewrite or remove that subplot then that's going to be a really bad look.

The House Elf thing was always the most awkward part of the Harry Potter series. Like, all the people who grew up among wizards just take it for granted that house elves naturally serve humans. Even Harry just kinda goes along with it. Despite the first house elf we encounter very much not wanting to do that anymore. Then, later on, Hermione, who grew up in a muggle family and presumably learned that slavery is never justified finally starts calling it out two books later. And then she's treated as being culturally insensitive because she doesn't understand the fact that house elf slavery is just natural and both sides of the arrangement mostly accept it as such.

It's honestly almost kafkaesque.

 

[Drathnoxis]

It’s not entirely a modern thing. My dear old mum had a good old whinge in my lughole when Prisoner of Azkaban came out and found a lot had been altered. And Reddit has more than a few “Justice for Ron” threads because of how dirty he got done. And I remember more than a few forum threads on old forums - including the V1 of The Escapist - where the novel tragics would vent their spleen.

I had the same problem with Prisoner of Azkaban. It was one of the first movies that taught me the lesson that the books are almost always better than the film adaptations. Not that I have any more interest in a television adaptation. A faithful adaptation of the Harry Potter series sounds like a good idea, and generally is, until you get to The Deathly Hallows, which is awful and pretty much needs to be re-written whole cloth.

 

[Gordon_4]

I had the same problem with Prisoner of Azkaban. It was one of the first movies that taught me the lesson that the books are almost always better than the film adaptations. Not that I have any more interest in a television adaptation. A faithful adaptation of the Harry Potter series sounds like a good idea, and generally is, until you get to The Deathly Hallows, which is awful and pretty much needs to be re-written whole cloth.

I was just pissed that Tonks died.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I had the same problem with Prisoner of Azkaban. It was one of the first movies that taught me the lesson that the books are almost always better than the film adaptations. Not that I have any more interest in a television adaptation. A faithful adaptation of the Harry Potter series sounds like a good idea, and generally is, until you get to The Deathly Hallows, which is awful and pretty much needs to be re-written whole cloth.

Honestly, what made Deathly Hallows fall apart was mostly not being set at Hogwarts. Like, we can argue about the individual plot beats all we want but more than anything, it really served to show just how much the series needed that central hub to anchor itself and develop its characters and mysteries. Turning it into this country trotting adventure for the last novel was a terrible call.

 

[Drathnoxis]

Honestly, what made Deathly Hallows fall apart was mostly not being set at Hogwarts. Like, we can argue about the individual plot beats all we want but more than anything, it really served to show just how much the series needed that central hub to anchor itself and develop its characters and mysteries. Turning it into this country trotting adventure for the last novel was a terrible call.

I thought it was that Rowling had no idea how to conclude a series. There were so many plot threads that needed wrapping up from previous novels. Finding the horcruxes alone was shown to be this monumental task with the pendant alone being protected by layer after layer of obscurity and enchantment, and it didn't even end up being the real one. Instead of focusing on wrapping up the plot and bringing events to their conclusion she treats 80% of the book like it's just another entry in the series, setting up new mysteries, detailing the humdrum events of the trio faffing around in the woods, and then suddenly near the end of the book she realized that she hadn't actually resolved anything that needed resolving and the characters rush around doing everything that needs doing, while solutions to, previously impossible, problems appear one after another until it suddenly just ends.

I don't think it needed to be set at Hogwarts, the school is great, but there was plenty of benefits to be gained from developing the wider world and necessity for Harry to venture out of his home territory to take the offensive against Voldemort. Rowling just needed to realize how much she actually had left to resolve and spend the book focusing on that rather than trying to change the setting and keep the same plot structure.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Honestly, what made Deathly Hallows fall apart was mostly not being set at Hogwarts.

That and doing away with the mystery/whodunit angle, which the books abandoned around the time Voldemort came back to headline every threat.

But in general I don't think the world outside of Hogwarts was all that interesting. It was always a buzzkill when they left the main setting of the story to go find a more suitable place for the climax. Felt manufactured.