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Thaluikhain

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Watched this during covid, so it hit differently for me. I did like how for the most part, people were making reasonable decisions based on what they knew, but it all turned out wrong based on things they didn't predict. That is, they weren't just being stupid, they were making believable mistakes.
 

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Yeah, this was not a great film. Also, Stuart Townsend was initially cast as Aragorn in Lord of the Rings, but was fired very earlier on, which seems to have been a very good call.

And...Bruce Spence was in this in a bit part, and later in Lord of the Rings as the Mouth of Sauron where he annoys Aragorn.
 

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I take it you've not read the books yourself? And why was Rice "still an asshole," exactly for her criticism of their decision to misrepresent her work fully expecting to slap her name on the marketing (they did not, btw; Rice pulled her name from that atrocity of the film.)

As for your misunderstanding of Lestat as being inexplicably sympathetic, understand that Interview With The Vampire is told solely from the point of view of Louis, the second book, The Vampire Lestat, is told from the point of view of Lestat as a "ok, here's the FULL picture" type of response. The second book tells the reader a LOT more about Lestat than Louis' very myopic portrayal, and he is very much a sympathetic character, more an anti-hero than the straight up villain movie watchers might expect from IWTV into QOTD. Without spoiling much, he and Louis find each other again in later books, and they reconcile.

Akasha is supposed to be from the ancient city of Uruk, modern day Iraq. I stripped as much of that film out of my mind as I could, but I don't recall any attempt at an accent being necessarily offensive; hell, so much more of the film was so egregiously offensive, a bad accent would have been but a drop in that piss bucket.

You really have to have read the books (I highly recommend them) to understand just how bad the QOTD "adaptation" really was. I understand some liberties have to be taken, but the liberties taken here were the equivalent to grand theft. They left out and changed so much. A few that recall stood out:

  • Lestat is INFAMOULY blonde. He starts off almost all of the books he writes describing himself, and "blonde" is one of the first descriptors. So of course they picked a brunette.
  • Maharet has a twin sister, Mekare, who they decided to omit. Without spoiling, let's just say she plays a quintessential roll in the book and its ending.
  • Marius was absolutely NOT Lestat's creator; that would be Magnus who changed Lestat against his will before throwing himself into a fire leaving Lestat alone in his new vampire form hence his words to human Louis in IWTV "I'm giving you the choice... I never had."
I will give the film ONE thing it did correctly, and I'm assuming this was completely on accident, they got the physical traits of Armand right; he is written as having been turned (actually by Marius) when he teenaged boy with auburn hair whereas IWTV casted Antonio Banderas who had neither of those traits.

Sorry for the rant, I just, like many of the fans of the books, have VERY strong feelings about this movie and how it squandered its opportunity in such a disrespectful way. Just saying you 1.5 star review is about 2-stars too many.
 
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And why was Rice "still an asshole,"
I don’t know specifically about the movies, but I have it in good authority that she was extremely critical and litigious about fanfiction and had a very low opinion of fanfic writers, even though her whole thing was homoerotic shipping.
 

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I have not read the books, but I can still say that the movie was not very good. I am aware of the changes from the books, however. There's a YouTuber named Dominic Noble who has a series called Lost in Adaptation where he compares movies to the books they were based on to describe what they changed, what they kept, and his thoughts on the adaptation as a whole. He covered both Interview and Queen of the Damned.

As for why Anne Rice is an asshole for that, I didn't post her full quote, but I did forget to say that this was a couple years before the film actually entered production, so it wasn't that she was upset about them trying to use her name without using her writing (and for the record, she went all over the place when it came to whether she liked the film or was disgusted by it. In 2001, she was OK with it at least enough to let her name be used in marketing, then in 2003 when she saw the film she dismissed it, despite having said in 2001 that she was pleased with the final film when OKing the use of her name in marketing). This was her full quote when asked about the movie in 1998, to give a bit more context on why I think she comes off less as understandably upset over the movie being made and more bitter that they didn't have her write the script.

It could just be that she's highly protective of her property, but she came off as more sour grapes with her comments, like "If you aren't going to have me do it, it's going to suck anyways, and any writer who you'll try to get will suck." That's not really me paraphrasing, either. This is the direct quote.

"Not very long ago, less than a year ago in fact, I begged the executives there to let me write a script for THE VAMPIRE LESTAT for union scale (the Writers Guild won't let you write it for free) and a deferred payment not due until release of the picture. They simply weren't interested. It was very painful for me, as I had been talking to a new director they'd hired and we were both excited about the idea.

I felt snubbed and hurt and have not bothered to approach them since. The young director is supposed to be developing THE QUEEN OF THE DAMNED which I think is a bad idea, and basically a doomed project.

In spite of their showing no interest in me as the screen writer, they have not been able to find one themselves for this bizarre idea of THE QUEEN OF THE DAMNED. I'm not too surprised. I think any respectable script writer would be crazy to tackle that novel without having fully developed the background story of Lestat. Anyway, that is where it is."

I'll admit that part of my reading of that is colored by knowing how viciously unfriendly Anne Rice is towards anyone doing anything with her work that she doesn't approve of, like fanfiction, or how she's shown an incredibly thin skin towards anyone critiquing HER work, but it still came off as more petulant to me than anything. "Fine! Your stupid project is lame, anyways! Good luck finding someone better than me!"

ETA: As for Akasha's accent, I didn't find it offensive in the same way you might be thinking. I just legitimately don't know what her accent was supposed to be. She was trying to do some sort of accent, but I couldn't tell what other than "not her normal accent".
 
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I saw this a few times back in the 90s. I have not seen it since the mid 2000s. It was a trip. My older brother liked it enough, but good luck getting him to enjoy it again or to get bored quickly.
Let me know when you get to the remake.
 

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Remake won't be for a while. It's not streaming anywhere, and I have so many movies to get through on my backlog.
 
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Rewatching Jaws 1975

It’s old of course (over half a fucking century now FFS), but as a low key horror/suspense flick the story and production still hold up nicely.

Two IMDb trivia factoids were rather interesting when read together

The novel and film have been criticized for misrepresenting sharks, which in reality rarely attack humans, and are not vengeful as portrayed. Ichthyologist George Burgess said shark hunting surged after the release of the film, explaining "there was no remorse, since there was this mindset that they were man-killers." Shark populations in the eastern seaboard of North America dropped significantly after 1975. Both Peter Benchley and Steven Spielberg later regretted how Jaws ruined the reputation of sharks. Benchley said, "Knowing what I know now, I could never write that book today... Sharks don't target human beings, and they certainly don't hold grudges," and he became a shark conservationist.


The average summer tourist population of Martha's Vineyard before the film was released was approximately 5,000 people. After it came out, the population skyrocketed to 15,000.


People gonna people I guess.
 

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Rewatching Jaws 1975

It’s old of course (over half a fucking century now FFS), but as a low key horror/suspense flick the story and production still hold up nicely.

Two IMDb trivia factoids were rather interesting when read together

The novel and film have been criticized for misrepresenting sharks, which in reality rarely attack humans, and are not vengeful as portrayed. Ichthyologist George Burgess said shark hunting surged after the release of the film, explaining "there was no remorse, since there was this mindset that they were man-killers." Shark populations in the eastern seaboard of North America dropped significantly after 1975. Both Peter Benchley and Steven Spielberg later regretted how Jaws ruined the reputation of sharks. Benchley said, "Knowing what I know now, I could never write that book today... Sharks don't target human beings, and they certainly don't hold grudges," and he became a shark conservationist.


The average summer tourist population of Martha's Vineyard before the film was released was approximately 5,000 people. After it came out, the population skyrocketed to 15,000.


People gonna people I guess.
Jaws is a superlative example of the movie improving the book in every possible way by basically shedding about 75% of it. Seriously, I read it and every few chapters I was like "Fuck I'm glad they cut this extraneous bullshit"
 

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Jaws is a superlative example of the movie improving the book in every possible way by basically shedding about 75% of it. Seriously, I read it and every few chapters I was like "Fuck I'm glad they cut this extraneous bullshit"
Just about the only thing that even tweaks with the movie a bit is cutting out the explanation for why the mayor is so desperate for the tourism money, but even that is a bit dumb in the novel.
 

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Primate: Dumb People Doing Dumb Shit / Great

In a remote home in Hawaii, a family's pet chimpanzee (Ben) contracts rabies conveniently while the veterinarian father is away on business leaving his daughters and some friends alone to fend off a now murderous family pet actively trying to kill them.

Even though it was exactly what I expected it to be, it still managed to somehow piss me off, so in that regard, it exceeded my expectations. I can't count the number of times I found myself yelling at the screen as, time and time again, these dumbasses made some of the stupidest decisions ever put to film. It's like they put every white girl from '80s-'90s horror movies in a blender, then put the resulting pulp into a centrifuge to extract the very essence of poor decision making under duress. And speaking of blenders, this movie is fucking gross. The violence is simply over the top in a very intentional way that for me got old in films a long time ago. Was this an attempt to bring back cheesy, gross-out horror with a shiny, new coat of red paint? Because it didn't work for me.

0/10, would NOT recommend
 

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Thunderbolt and Lightfoot

A road/buddy/heist movie starring Clint Eastwood and Jeff Bridges, written and directed by Michael Cimino. It was Cimino's first movie (next up: Deer Hunter) and part of that very American film wave of chronicling partnerships rooted in and doomed by their status as social outcasts (Easy Rider, Midnight Cowboy). I've never seen this movie get much love or recognition, maybe because it's too vulgar or too rambly or simply too atonal when you consider how goofy most of it is and the surprise bummer that is the ending. There was a lot of hurt, anger and confusion pumping under these movies. I'd say you couldn't make this today, but I read Ryan Reynolds is gearing for a remake, so what the fuck do I know.

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Project Hail Mary at the theater. B
Little late to the party.
I liked it. I liked but did not love it. I liked it.
I thought I would love it given the hype. Maybe people are just so relieved to not have new Marvel style constant jokes cutting the drama.

It was great to look at and when it comes to having a friend critter? I think Grogu has some serious competition.

I think I liked a lot more than my buddy the non linear story telling allowing it to dawn on us that Gosling's character said no to doing the mission and got kidnapped. Over-long: there were places to cut. And did I miss it? Rocky's existence appears to validate Gosling's original idea that got him noticed by the powers that be in the 1st place. Was there any celebration of that fact? Old people gotta hit the bathroom up and miss stuff sometime. The very end, oops, I'm outta gas: I'll just go back to Rocky for help was like watching The Return of the King: the movie that wouldn't end and kept giving us more and more reasons to think it finally had done so.

 

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Had a day of watching movies with friends.

Hundreds of Beavers, 9/10

Talked about this before. Suffice to say there's nothing else like it, and likely never will be. Watch it at your first opportunity.

The Fall Guy, 7/10

The trailers made this seem way schlockier than it was. They made it seem like a boilerplate romantic comedy, when in reality it's far more of an action comedy with a romantic element. Ryan Gosling plays a down on his luck stunt guy who gets covertly recruited to find a movie star who's gone missing, and for whom he's stunted for years. Wacky hijinks ensue. It's quite fun. It's directed by a former stuntman, and you can tell by just how much stuntwork there is in this movie, and how well it's done. There's a lot of variety in the setpieces, Gosling and Emily Blunt have great chemistry together, and it's pretty funny as well. It's clearly a film by film buffs for film buffs, and that aspect can maybe get a bit too self-satisfied at times. Besides that it's rather overlong at 126 minutes, when about 100 would have sufficed perfectly. Aside from those there's fairly little to complain about. A fun little romp.

Predestination, 8/10

This is an interesting sci-fi time travel thriller from 2014 starring Ethan Hawke. He plays an agent who's part of a sort of time-cop corps, who're tasked with discovering the identity of a terrorist called the Fizzle Bomber by traveling backwards and forwards in time, and discovering information by nudging things across time. Time travel in any story is always a risky move, but I felt this was a rather satisfying and well executed use of the concept. Despite the premise, it's actually much more of a character study around subject matter that now feels well ahead of its time, that being gender identity. It's kind of hard to talk about without spoilers, but this is one of those movies where you can guess a lot of plot points and twists fairly easily if you've seen some time travel stories before. The dialogue and acting are great, it's got an interesting visual look that at times makes it look almost like a comic book-y, and the story, despite its predictability in places, kept me engaged all the way throughout. You can glean all sorts of different interpretations of it, which I do appreciate.
 
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