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Asylum seekers using the app were being allowed into the country just because they used the app.

If these ICE detainers are unconstitutional, they issue thousands of these, and many jurisdictions do honored them, then surely there's a case where a judge has ruled these are unconstitutional and that would require ICE to cease issuing these detainers. Where is this simple proof to show that this is unconstitutional? Instead of writing paragraphs explaining how wrong I am, just link to proof of said thing being unconstitutional.
You keep responding as though I claimed "ICE detainers are inherently unconstitutional."

I did not.

What I said is that ICE detainers alone are often insufficient legal basis to continue holding someone after lawful state/local custody ends.

That distinction matters.

An ICE detainer is a request from ICE asking a local jail to continue holding someone so ICE can assume custody. Courts have repeatedly ruled that if a jail holds someone past their lawful release time solely because of that request, without independent probable cause or a judicial warrant, that can violate the Fourth Amendment.

That is not a fringe claim. It is established caselaw.

Examples include:

Miranda-Olivares v. Clarkamas County: continued detention solely on an ICE detainer violated the Fourth Amendment.

Galarza v. Szalczyk: ICE detainers are requests, not mandatory commands, and local jurisdictions can be liable for unlawful detention if they honor them without lawful basis.

Morales v. Chadbourne: detention based solely on an ICE detainer violated constitutional protections against unreasonable seizure.

Lunn v. Commonwealth: Massachusetts officers lacked authority to arrest solely on the basis of a civil ICE detainer.

And those are only a few examples:

So to reiterate: no, sanctuary jurisdictions are not “releasing criminals early just because they hate ICE.”

In many of these cases, the person had already:
  • completed their sentence,
  • posted bail,
  • had charges dropped,
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  • otherwise reached the point where state/local law required release.
The legal issue is whether the jail may continue detaining them after that point solely because ICE asked them to.

And courts have repeatedly said: not without sufficient legal authority.


As for CBP One, you are again misrepresenting the process.

The app was not an automatic-entry pass. It was a scheduling tool used to arrange appointments for processing and asylum claims at ports of entry.

Using the app no more "guaranteed admission" than using Calendly guarantees you a job offer. It scheduled the appointment; the claim still had to be evaluated through the legal process.
 
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You selectively employ it against ideologies you disapprove of, like most people: you've littered this forum with hundreds of ad hominems. And thus how telling it is you selectively ignore it for racists.
That's not in any way a defense of yourself and your own claims. It's also a complete non sequitur, as the ad hominem we are discussing is by Walsh's critic and you're embracing it, not by Walsh being defended by me.
 

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That's not in any way a defense of yourself and your own claims. It's also a complete non sequitur, as the ad hominem we are discussing is by Walsh's critic and you're embracing it, not by Walsh being defended by me.
It is not an ad hominem though, is it?

Your reasoning is faulty.
 
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All presidents do but if something is ruled to be unconstitutional, you can't keep doing it. If ICE detainers are unconstitutional, how are they still able to issue them?
Right, so a government agency issuing something unconstitutional is a thing.

As Asita says, issuing a detainer is not unconstitutional. But keeping someone incarcerated once all legal reasons to detain them have expired would be unconstitutional. And a detainer isn't a legal reason to keep someone incarcerated.
 
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Take hope, Americans, there will come a day when Biden is no longer president.
False hope. Joe Biden will rule forever

I am of course rather doubtful Trump knows what the Thucydides trap is despite it being a common phrase when describing the rise of China. I strongly suspect Xi made the comparison knowing Trump would not get the reference and trick him into recognize China's rise in comparison to American decline
 

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Take hope, Americans, there will come a day when Biden is no longer president.
Biden will be President so long as there is anything bad happening that can be blamed on him. (Even if he had nothing to do with it.)
 

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Biden will be President so long as there is anything bad happening that can be blamed on him. (Even if he had nothing to do with it.)
And to be slightly fair to Trump, he's not the only President to do this, or have the party do it on his behalf. Just look at how much of his first presidency was "Thanks, Obama", and before then, how much of Dubya's stuff was blamed on Clinton.
 
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Take hope, Americans, there will come a day when Biden is no longer president.
Guy's so fucking blinded that he can't see that he's doing the most damage to America's position, reputation and power in the world.
 
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Speaking the language that allows you to communicate with the people you need to is a manner of competence. If you have a job that requires communication with specifically English-speaking people, you cannot be competent at it without speaking English.
Yes, English lets you talk. In no shape or form did I disagree with you

It does not give you the skill to do neurosurgery, build a bridge or program AI

Far too many companies pick the English speaker who lacks the skils to do the job and then wonder why they fail. Instead of listening to words, its way better to listen to results

A similar example is Pete Hegseth. He was hired because he is anti-'woke', not becuase he is competent. He pretended that if he sets a winning condition for a war, that means he wins. He did not understand that opponents can have opinions and can set their own win conditions. Now, even with a tactial win, he has lost strategically. No other general fought Iran like this because they actually understand war. He used English to cover up his incompentenve
 
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All presidents do but if something is ruled to be unconstitutional, you can't keep doing it. If ICE detainers are unconstitutional, how are they still able to issue them?
'John Marshall made his decision, now let him enforce it' this is a quote from a president as he unconstitutionally broke the law against the Supreme Court ruling
 
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Yes, English lets you talk. In no shape or form did I disagree with you

It does not give you the skill to do neurosurgery, build a bridge or program AI

Far too many companies pick the English speaker who lacks the skils to do the job and then wonder why they fail. Instead of listening to words, its way better to listen to results

A similar example is Pete Hegseth. He was hired because he is anti-'woke', not becuase he is competent. He pretended that if he sets a winning condition for a war, that means he wins. He did not understand that opponents can have opinions and can set their own win conditions. Now, even with a tactial win, he has lost strategically. No other general fought Iran like this because they actually understand war. He used English to cover up his incompentenve
I really do worry about your mental health...
 

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Guy's so fucking blinded that he can't see that he's doing the most damage to America's position, reputation and power in the world.
Maybe, but I used to think he just didn't care and knew that his followers would refuse to see it if he lied, nowdays not so sure and perhaps he believes it himself.
 
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I remember when you were worried about people using ad hominen attacks instead of debating...

Like.... last week
It's not an attack or an argument I'm making there, just a genuine statement. Lots of people on here make arguments I disagree with in a variety of ways, but you alone pull out things like "US cabinet members are DEI hires because they were picked over more competent candidates who can't speak English." I don't even know what that is, there isn't a train of logic to show the fault in, it just flatly doesn't make sense.