Kids Today
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Ye gods, someone who thinks my generation isn't a bunch of fucking idiots. That's so refreshing that the fact that it is so refreshing makes me want to cry.
Thanks for the heads-up, Bob. I usually don't care much about films so I always feel like a cheat when I skip to the good ones because of you. (Then again they usually don't open here in Brazil anyway.)
Captcha is asking me to describe the brand 'banksy'. Banksy is a brand? If he's sold out, I think we can abandon all hope. Whatever, give me a new one, captcha.
Captcha is asking me to describe the brand 'banksy'. Banksy is a brand? If he's sold out, I think we can abandon all hope. Whatever, give me a new one, captcha.
So we are generation Y? Okay. Good to know. Wait. What do we call the next generation after generation Z?
Anyway, the movie looks neat. I really don't like slasher movies, but this one doesn't look like it's completely like that so I'll wait and see. I'll probably see it one way or another even if I don't see it in theaters.
Thanks Bob.
Anyway, the movie looks neat. I really don't like slasher movies, but this one doesn't look like it's completely like that so I'll wait and see. I'll probably see it one way or another even if I don't see it in theaters.
Thanks Bob.
This actually sounds like an entertaining film. And it certainly is refreshing to see someone going with the point of view that kids today AREN'T all rapist homophobic antisocial bastards.
@ Namewithheld: Teenagers are almost always hated by their elders in pretty much every generation. Part of the reason is that teenagers are pretty much universally and trans-culturally hormonal and melodramatic and therefore annoying to anyone who isn't hormonal and melodramatic throughout all generations. However in the past century they've started to get more and more of their own slice of the media so the annoyance is increased exponentially.Namewithheld said:
OT: I've got to say that I disagree wholeheartedly with Kahn on two essential points:
1) People are not sponges, and intelligence is not measured by how quickly you absorb information. Intelligence is measured by what you DO with the information you absorb. Intelligence is the synthetic recombination of absorbed ideas into novel ideas. It is creative. This is why computers have great abilities to store and recall information but suck at thinking. This is why AI is still a largely theoretical idea that has been exceptionally hard to create. People who are great at absorbing things at high speeds aren't necessarily going to be any better at thinking. In fact, the recombination of ideas (i.e. creative thinking) usually requires slow, linear and attentive focus. So if anything, the fact that teenagers these days are being conditioned to quickly absorb information might actually inhibit their ability to think slowly and critically. While the greater competence with technology and the greater flow of ideas brought about by the internet are good things, the fact that people aren't being trained to think slowly and critically is exceptionally bad.
2)Kahn seems to buy into the fallacy of progressivisim wholeheartedly:
Values change over time, but this doesn't mean that they are moving toward the greater Good in some sort of Hegelian Zeitgeist. The values that Kahn mentions are all values of tolerance. While there are definitely a lot of strong positive effects of tolerance as a value system (i.e. it allows everyone to coexist more peacefully in a democratic society), it can go too far. Once you realize the fallacious nature of historical progressivism, you come to realize that a progressive tendency towards tolerance/moral permissiveness can ultimately lead to things that we would currently reject. (Though things like bestiality and pedophilia will in all likelihood still be rejected on the grounds that neither animals nor children can give consent.)Joseph Kahn said:
Ultimately tolerance has been promoted as a value system because it acts as a lubricant for a democratic society. This does not make it the ultimate good (primarily because there is no such thing). If we are to be Nietzscheans, we must engage in a transvaluation of values. When we trace back the genealogy and telic cause of the virtue 'tolerance', we find that it serves the overall functionality of society by disvaluing the values of the individual; hence that it sublimates individual will to the collective "will" (in a broader, non-psychological sense) of society. Is this a good thing? Well, it serves the ends of peace as well as the consequentialist obsession with eudaimonism. But I, for one, value the will and autonomy of the individual over the fluid function of society and the hedonistic considerations of utopia-seeking ideologues. War, conflict and suffering are prices I am willing to pay for the kind of intellectual, cultural and artistic greatness that can only be produced by the strong independent will of the 'higher man' (which, unlike Nietzsche, I believe also includes women). As Nietzsche put it, compromise is "the virtue that makes small".
For some reason this movie reminds me of this bad terminator knockoff I saw in the 90s. About a gang of "school" kids and what I presumed to be ex-military robots used in place of teachers. Ended about as well as you can imagine. Can't remember the name of it or if I got the plot right, I drift in and out of movies that do a poor job of holding my attention.MovieBob said:
N.B. Its a good thing you mentioned Dane Cook last, my attention started to drift when I read his name.
"I'll take a movie that's perhaps trying too hard to be different over all the others that try too hard to be the same." - Moviebob, Kids Today
I agree with you Mr. Chipman, well, to a point. I am weary of filmmakers, however, who try to be different "for the sake of it." I've followed your work for awhile and have noticed a trend to praise artists, or at the very least to readily acknowledge talent, when the output seems to be doing something new or different.
On the surface this is a great outlook; we need to appreciate the flawed attempts to work outside the given boundaries of a medium. But, at the same time, you need also appreciate what the "normal" or "commercial" films do right as well. Otherwise your bias is fairly blatant and, from a critical standpoint, your neutrality is diminished or erased entirely.
My general point here is simply to say that I feel you push the obscurity factor a little too far. Sometimes a film that is trying to be different does it in ways that are just bad, or they fail outright.
In the end, this may all come down to the fact that you see a little good in Sucker Punch, and I, on the other hand, think it was a terrible, terrible film.
Great article nonetheless!
Oh, and a side note:
I agree with you Mr. Chipman, well, to a point. I am weary of filmmakers, however, who try to be different "for the sake of it." I've followed your work for awhile and have noticed a trend to praise artists, or at the very least to readily acknowledge talent, when the output seems to be doing something new or different.
On the surface this is a great outlook; we need to appreciate the flawed attempts to work outside the given boundaries of a medium. But, at the same time, you need also appreciate what the "normal" or "commercial" films do right as well. Otherwise your bias is fairly blatant and, from a critical standpoint, your neutrality is diminished or erased entirely.
My general point here is simply to say that I feel you push the obscurity factor a little too far. Sometimes a film that is trying to be different does it in ways that are just bad, or they fail outright.
In the end, this may all come down to the fact that you see a little good in Sucker Punch, and I, on the other hand, think it was a terrible, terrible film.
Great article nonetheless!
Oh, and a side note:
Go here Anoni: gameoverthinker.blogspot.caAnoni Mus said:
Yeah, American teenagers are WAY more educated and cultured than their 90's counterparts. That's why they consistently test among third world countries in nearly every subject imaginable.
I don't hate the kids today. I hate their parents for raising them on the frenetic, nonsensical, incoherent, stream-of consciousness, kitsch garbage that this guy has spent his entire career manufacturing. The fact that their kids are vapid, shallow, uneducated slobs with all the culture of a petri dish is an unfortunately coincidence.
I don't hate the kids today. I hate their parents for raising them on the frenetic, nonsensical, incoherent, stream-of consciousness, kitsch garbage that this guy has spent his entire career manufacturing. The fact that their kids are vapid, shallow, uneducated slobs with all the culture of a petri dish is an unfortunately coincidence.
Hear fucking hear!!PhiMed said:
I can't believe people the amount of nonsensical bullshit coming from this dude. Ya know why I want a zombie apocalypse? This d bag and all the hipsters like him will be the first eaten.
This film might be worth a look.
However this notion that the MEs are more educated, more informed or more anything is completely baseless.
Heres the problem. Because the MEs have such access to such information They are much more prone to scanning it and retaining little or nothing of it. Why bother? You can just look it up again if you need to.
The second thing is the reliance on the Internet. Because we all know just how reliable information is from the internet, right?
So. I wont preclude the possible quality of a film maker who seemingly only knows how to talk out his ass. If I did that, I prolly would not have played any of the fable games, but I did, and I was pleasantly surprised. Hoping this might do the same.
However this notion that the MEs are more educated, more informed or more anything is completely baseless.
Heres the problem. Because the MEs have such access to such information They are much more prone to scanning it and retaining little or nothing of it. Why bother? You can just look it up again if you need to.
The second thing is the reliance on the Internet. Because we all know just how reliable information is from the internet, right?
So. I wont preclude the possible quality of a film maker who seemingly only knows how to talk out his ass. If I did that, I prolly would not have played any of the fable games, but I did, and I was pleasantly surprised. Hoping this might do the same.