Kim Dotcom Raid Video Goes Public

Andy Chalk

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Kim Dotcom Raid Video Goes Public

How much firepower does it take to arrest a fat German computer nerd?

Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom was arrested in January, although "arrested" is a bit of an understatement. The New Zealand authorities came at him with the full monty, dropping its elite, heavily-armed Special Tactics Group in by air while officers of the Armed Offenders Squad went in on ground. There were even FBI agents lurking somewhere off in the background.

Speaking at a hearing yesterday, Dotcom claimed that helicopter noises aren't particularly unusual in his social circle, but once he realized it was an attack he triggered the alarm system and made his way to a hidden panic room. Somewhere along the line he realized it was a police raid, but chose to wait in the panic room anyway, with the door open, to avoid startling anyone and putting himself at risk of being shot. Even so, and despite knowing of the existence of the room, it took police 13 minutes to find him, and when they finally did they weren't particularly gentle in apprehending him. Dotcom claimed he was punched in the face and kicked to the floor, and that one officer stood on his hand once he was down.

The news report says it "all seems slightly American" and suggests that's due at least in part to the presence of the FBI, which was also involved in the planning of the raid. Yet despite the overwhelming show of force, officers involved weren't actually suited up in full tactical gear. "We wanted to match the threat level, in this case a low threat," one of them admitted to Dotcom's lawyers. "We made a conscious decision not to wear full tactical kit. It wasn't appropriate under these circumstances."

With the case against Dotcom rather badly frayed - the search warrant that led to the raid in the first place has since been declared invalid - his lawyers are now focusing on the raid itself, and why the police used such heavy-handed tactics to bring him in. It's not fair to criticize police officers for taking steps to protect themselves in threatening situations, but in a situation that they readily acknowledge was not threatening, why go charging in on an operation even they say was "over the top?" Dotcom dismissed claims that it was done to prevent the destruction of evidence; the FBI had already seized Megaupload's servers prior to the raid, he said, so he couldn't have tampered with it even if he'd wanted to.

Source: 3News [http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-What-really-happened-in-the-Dotcom-raid/tabid/817/articleID/264651/Default.aspx]


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It's official. The police knew the case was stupid, and did everything they could to bungle it up. That's the only explanation for the idiocy involved here.
 

cerebus23

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It was the FBI that pushed for the show of force for this criminial mastermind, after all this is the same FBI that gave us waco texas, and any number of brilliant plans over the years including selling guns to drug lords.

If europe had been smart they would have told the FBI and the USA to take a hike and done their own arrest with their own warrants if there was a case there.

FBI is a domestic law enforcement agency they have no authority at all over seas, just another example of our government abusing power and causing a mess somewhere else.
 

neonsword13-ops

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...Why?

Why so many police? The guy just made a website.

I don't think he's a mass murderer.
 

FalloutJack

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So, I'm going to assume this is actually good news for Megaupload, given the nature of this little whoopsy-doodle.
 

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cerebus23 said:
It was the FBI that pushed for the show of force for this criminial mastermind, after all this is the same FBI that gave us waco texas, and any number of brilliant plans over the years including selling guns to drug lords.

If europe had been smart they would have told the FBI and the USA to take a hike and done their own arrest with their own warrants if there was a case there.

FBI is a domestic law enforcement agency they have no authority at all over seas, just another example of our government abusing power and causing a mess somewhere else.
Any group can tell the FBI to fuck off, the locals didn't and most people don't, that's their own fault.

OT: This was retarded, good job police/FBI.
 

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neonsword13-ops said:
...Why?

Why so many police? The guy just made a website.

I don't think he's a mass murderer.
Pretty sure the raid happened in New-Zealand not Europe.
 

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as much as that guy is a fucking rotten bastard seeing all the bullshit surrounding his case makes me giggle gleefully like a little girl.
it won't have any consequences at all on the activities of certain countries but hey, you take what you can get.
 

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JuliusMagnus said:
neonsword13-ops said:
...Why?

Why so many police? The guy just made a website.

I don't think he's a mass murderer.
Pretty sure the raid happened in New-Zealand not Europe.
I think you quoted the wrong person there, buddy. :D
 

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Christ, this stuff is scary. Doesn't matter if you're completely harmless, doesn't matter if you live in New Zealand, doesn't matter if they've got no warrant, if American corporations think you're reducing their profits you're in for some serious shit. A full armed raid and capture of someone who made a website? Even I didn't think they'd go so far.
 

cerebus23

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neonsword13-ops said:
...Why?

Why so many police? The guy just made a website.

I don't think he's a mass murderer.
File sharing is worse than mass murder when your a music/movie lobbyist, and it is lobby monies that move our government anymore, the mpaa and riaa and others are dumping so much cash into the pockets of politicians its ridicilous, in turn they try each and every year to expand their control over the net, will try to censor the net given time, so yea this guy was worse than hitler to mpaa or a riaa suit, and you can bet they put all kinds of pressure to do something about all these file upload/torrent sites.

the last several years of illegal raids on sites, some even seized mistakenly, by the fbi in foreign countries is mind boggling to me, mind boggling that our own poupulatons seems not the lest bit bothered by it over here, and the fact the they can even operate over there at all.
 

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Would love to see the case fail because of all this.
The FBI really deserves it. Was the piracy commited on megaupload illegal? Of course. But does this mean the FBI/USA can go stomping all over the place? Nope.
 

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Why? what could he possibly do? Send them copies of Hannah Montanna films? Play Jedward Tracks?
 

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Yes, because one FBI agent was there to help plan it, all the officers and special tactics did everything he said and that was "beat up a fat man the moment you lay eyes on him".
Let's blame America, yay!
 

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Lunncal said:
Christ, this stuff is scary. Doesn't matter if you're completely harmless, doesn't matter if you live in New Zealand, doesn't matter if they've got no warrant, if American corporations think you're reducing their profits you're in for some serious shit. A full armed raid and capture of someone who made a website? Even I didn't think they'd go so far.
+1

Regardless of your stance on the issue of copyright infringement (piracy), it should give people pause for concern to know just how influential these corporations, lobbyists, etc. are in convincing governments of this threat.

I think we can all agree that we're not expecting any kind of "mob" level of violence from any of these individuals, in the same manner that you wouldn't expect such a level of violence from someone accused of insider trading or some other kind of corporate crime. On top of all that, with all the advances in technology and the continued record-breaking profits of the industry, you'd think the concern would start to dwindle considering (eg. a sub-par movie such as Wolverine was leaked to the public BEFORE release, received plenty of negative reviews, and still took in more money than its competing movie showings).

PS. Don't misinterpret that as justification for the argument of piracy, its just meant an example of how it may not be as much of a threat as its deemed to be.
 

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cerebus23 said:
If europe had been smart they would have told the FBI and the USA to take a hike and done their own arrest with their own warrants if there was a case there.
I'd like to note here that New-Zealand is almost perfectly opposite Europe on the globe.