Diamonds Fall Like Rain on Jupiter and Saturn

Ruley

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Diamonds Fall Like Rain on Jupiter and Saturn



Some US scientists now claim that diamonds the size of hail may be raining down to the cores of Jupiter and Saturn.

As anyone shopping around for that special someone will know, jewelry stores can often charge an arm, a leg and half a kidney for a high quality diamond ring. This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth. Now, a team of US scientists conclude that new atmospheric research shows these precious rocks exist in abundance on Jupiter and Saturn, raining down deep into their cores.

This is not the first time gemstones have been thought to exist on other planets, Uranus and Neptune have already been predicted to be home to solid diamonds, but Saturn and Jupiter were thought to have unsuitable atmospheres. In this new research, storm systems on the gas giants were observed to have lightning turning methane into soot high in the upper atmosphere of the planet. The soot then falls under gravity further into the gas giant and starts to experience higher temperatures and pressures. At a depth of 1,000 miles the soot turns into graphite, the sheet-like solid state of carbon. At 3,700 miles, these chunks of falling graphite get compressed even further into the harder, unreactive solid state of carbon, diamond. The biggest diamonds formed would be around one centimeter in diameter - "big enough to put on a ring, although of course they would be uncut," said Dr. Kevin Baines, of the University of Wisconsin-Madison and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory when presenting to the annual meeting of the Division for Planetary Sciences.

Dr. Baines has a lot of faith in his team's findings despite the skepticism: "The bottom line is that 1,000 tonnes of diamonds a year are being created on Saturn. People ask me - how can you really tell? Because there's no way you can go and observe it. It all boils down to the chemistry. And we think we're pretty certain." But the diamonds don't stop there, they continue falling for another 18,600 miles (roughly two and a half times the Earth's diameter) where it is uncertain what happens to them. "Once you get down to those extreme depths, the pressure and temperature is so hellish, there's no way the diamonds could remain solid. It's very uncertain what happens to carbon down there." Baines concludes, noting that one possibility is that a "sea" of liquid carbon could form. "Diamonds aren't forever on Saturn and Jupiter. But they are on Uranus and Neptune, which are colder at their cores."

His results are yet to be verified but many other planetary experts have spoken up in support, saying the possibility of diamond rain "cannot be dismissed." Either way, it seems we may have found a new reason to venture out to the other planets in our solar system, if only to bring some more bling back to Planet Earth.

Source: BBC News [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24477667]

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Skeleon

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An interesting curiosity and it sounds quite possible, but it's ultimately meaningless, because there's no way our tools could reach down to those depths to retrieve them.
 

LTK_70

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This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
 

Blindrooster

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I'm sure we could force the locals there to work in abject slavery to mine them for us so we can sell them at a 200% markup here on Earth.
 

Boris Goodenough

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Blindrooster said:
I'm sure we could force the locals there to work in abject slavery to mine them for us so we can sell them at a 200% markup here on Earth.
We have nothing that could withstand that kind of pressure, sorry :(
 

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LTK_70 said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
That's what I thought. Odd how people still think diamonds are some what special.
 

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LTK_70 said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah because before 1938 diamonds were cheap as chips. The reason why diamonds, for 1000s of years, have been expensive is because they only naturally 80-120 miles down in the Earths crust and then thrust upward by volcanic action. This means they are inherently rare.
 

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albino boo said:
LTK_70 said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah because before 1938 diamonds were cheap as chips. The reason why diamonds, for 1000s of years, have been expensive is because they only naturally 80-120 miles down in the Earths crust and then thrust upward by volcanic action. This means they are inherently rare.
Not true at all. At least not the rare part. When's the last time you heard of a global diamond shortage? Never is when, the world, and the warehouses of diamond retailers are bursting at the seams with diamonds. They cost an arm and a leg because people are willing to pay am arm and a leg because god forbid your family and friends think less of you for buying a cheap ring for the love of your life, or worse! What if that ***** in the next cube never let's you live it down that hers is bigger!
 

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2HF said:
albino boo said:
LTK_70 said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah because before 1938 diamonds were cheap as chips. The reason why diamonds, for 1000s of years, have been expensive is because they only naturally 80-120 miles down in the Earths crust and then thrust upward by volcanic action. This means they are inherently rare.
Not true at all. At least not the rare part. When's the last time you heard of a global diamond shortage? Never is when, the world, and the warehouses of diamond retailers are bursting at the seams with diamonds. They cost an arm and a leg because people are willing to pay am arm and a leg because god forbid your family and friends think less of you for buying a cheap ring for the love of your life, or worse! What if that ***** in the next cube never let's you live it down that hers is bigger!
How diamonds have risen at 5% above inflation since the end of the De Beers monopoly? There are 2200 tons of diamonds mined each year as opposed to the 2800 million tons of iron ore mined each year. Why is gold more expensive than silver? Its simple, because its rarer.
 

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Ruley said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
I see what you did there.

Diamond rain...now that would be an amazing sight to see. You'd have to see it lying down though, what with the crushing gravitational pull.

Gas giants: "makin' it rain" for millions of years.
 

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albino boo said:
LTK_70 said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah because before 1938 diamonds were cheap as chips. The reason why diamonds, for 1000s of years, have been expensive is because they only naturally 80-120 miles down in the Earths crust and then thrust upward by volcanic action. This means they are inherently rare.
i think they were more expensive in the past because there were no known mineing locations for them. so it was very rare that they showed up, they just had to have the ground around them eroded over time till they popped to the surface.
now with mines a lot more can be taken out of the ground so the rarity is much less. as other have said its all down to marketing. just because an item is rare does not mean it is usfull it is only the value we put on the object and sometimes just putting a high price on something and making people think its exclucive is enough to make people pay outta the nose for things
 

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albino boo said:
2HF said:
albino boo said:
LTK_70 said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah because before 1938 diamonds were cheap as chips. The reason why diamonds, for 1000s of years, have been expensive is because they only naturally 80-120 miles down in the Earths crust and then thrust upward by volcanic action. This means they are inherently rare.
Not true at all. At least not the rare part. When's the last time you heard of a global diamond shortage? Never is when, the world, and the warehouses of diamond retailers are bursting at the seams with diamonds. They cost an arm and a leg because people are willing to pay am arm and a leg because god forbid your family and friends think less of you for buying a cheap ring for the love of your life, or worse! What if that ***** in the next cube never let's you live it down that hers is bigger!
How diamonds have risen at 5% above inflation since the end of the De Beers monopoly? There are 2200 tons of diamonds mined each year as opposed to the 2800 million tons of iron ore mined each year. Why is gold more expensive than silver? Its simple, because its rarer.
No, its because of Marketing and that they can:
 

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rodneyy said:
albino boo said:
LTK_70 said:
This is due to the rarity of naturally occurring diamonds on the surface of planet Earth.
No, it's because their price was artificially inflated as a marketing scheme in 1938 (source [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_(gemstone)#cite_note-DeBeersMarketing-35]). I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah because before 1938 diamonds were cheap as chips. The reason why diamonds, for 1000s of years, have been expensive is because they only naturally 80-120 miles down in the Earths crust and then thrust upward by volcanic action. This means they are inherently rare.
i think they were more expensive in the past because there were no known mineing locations for them. so it was very rare that they showed up, they just had to have the ground around them eroded over time till they popped to the surface.
now with mines a lot more can be taken out of the ground so the rarity is much less. as other have said its all down to marketing. just because an item is rare does not mean it is usfull it is only the value we put on the object and sometimes just putting a high price on something and making people think its exclucive is enough to make people pay outta the nose for things

The most common use for diamonds is industrial, over 80% of diamonds are used in this way. Tile cutters, drill bits, glass cutters, scalpels and even some windows use diamonds. The reason why diamonds are expensive is because there is a small supply. Gold is more expensive than iron because there is less of of it. Price is determined by combination of supply and demand. In the case gold and diamonds the supply is small because of the laws of physics which enables these commodities to act as stores of value. Gold and gems have acted in this manner for 1000s of years before the invention of marketing.This has not changed in the era marketing. The main driver of the gold price for the last 20 years has been demand for gold from India. The increasing prosperity of Indians means there are people with the wealth to buy gold in the same manner that was once reserved for the elite of Indian society 2000 years ago and has nothing whatsoever to do with marketing There may be more diamond mines today but the number of people alive and with wealth has risen faster than supply of diamonds. There are more people alive today on this planet than total of all the humans that have ever lived and furthermore they have a greater average disposable income than ever before.
 

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WE ALL KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING.


Other than our future selves coming and killing all of us because of a psychopath converting a time machine into a paradox one, it must be beautiful to look at.
 

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albino boo said:
Except everything you say about diamond doesn't hold, has there is higher supply then demand of diamond, has we have capability to create large quantity of synthetic diamond at cheap cost, only due to the jewelry sector is the price of mined one inflated due to price control.