Flat Earth Birth Control
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Coughs up a little blood... [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.854015-Supreme-Court-Rules-In-Favor-of-Hobby-Lobby]canadamus_prime said:
I essentially agree. There's a perverse genius at work here, finding new ways to put the rights of companies about the rights of individuals.
Is it really eroding the division between state and religion, though? To me it looks like driving a wedge between them so hard that there could now be effectively two states: a secular one, which must obey laws, and a religious one, which gets to pick and choose which laws it accepts.
Is it really eroding the division between state and religion, though? To me it looks like driving a wedge between them so hard that there could now be effectively two states: a secular one, which must obey laws, and a religious one, which gets to pick and choose which laws it accepts.
Extremely small ownership group, no public stock.canadamus_prime said:
It should be noted that the family that owns Hobby Lobby hasn't ever addressed medical use of hormonal birth control, and believe that anti-ovulation pills are abortion, among other things. Oh, and their health plans cover Viagra, meaning that they subscribe to the medical opinion that dealing with your sexual desires can be good for your health..
Oh, and I'm just going to get the EVERY TIME THIS HAPPENS thing out of the way: CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE. THE PRECEDENT THAT SAYS THIS DOESN'T EXIST. IT WAS WRITTEN AS A 'WHAT-IF' BY A CLERK BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT REFUSED TO HEAR THE CASE.
Actually, that was the funniest part of today's comic. Obsessive callbacks are good comedy.Amaror said:
OT: dem tags. How does it feel to know that you run something that is, and forever will be, the flame-baitiest content the Escapist will ever release?
Hobby Lobby covers the following forms of contraception:
Male condoms
Female condoms
Diaphragms with spermicide
Sponges with spermicide
Cervical caps with spermicide
Spermicide alone
Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (?Combined Pill)
Birth-control pills with progestin alone (?The Mini Pill)
Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)
Contraceptive patches
Contraceptive rings
Progestin injections
Implantable rods
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
Female sterilization implants
The forms of contraception that were opposed were:
Plan B (morning after pill)
Ella (another emergency contraceptive)
Copper Intrauterine Device
IUD with progestin
The reason they were opposed was because these forms of birth control can cause or are akin to abortion.
Male condoms
Female condoms
Diaphragms with spermicide
Sponges with spermicide
Cervical caps with spermicide
Spermicide alone
Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (?Combined Pill)
Birth-control pills with progestin alone (?The Mini Pill)
Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)
Contraceptive patches
Contraceptive rings
Progestin injections
Implantable rods
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
Female sterilization implants
The forms of contraception that were opposed were:
Plan B (morning after pill)
Ella (another emergency contraceptive)
Copper Intrauterine Device
IUD with progestin
The reason they were opposed was because these forms of birth control can cause or are akin to abortion.
This issue makes me so angry. It shouldn't be an issue. Shouldn't be a question. In short, the people who got this law through, and the companies who use it, are scum, complete, sub human, worthless little shits who should, at very least, be chased out of civilised life and forced to survive on their own. I give it three days until they kill each other.
Well, that's a bit of a kick in the teeth, isn't it?wetfart said:
Although, as the comic indicates, I think more people are wringing their hands about the "because religion" aspect.
Hobby Lobby isn't a public company, it's a closely held private company that is essentially owned by one family. The Supreme Court recognized that access to contraception is a legitimate government interest, but ruled that there were other, less restrictive methods to provide it than requiring employers to do so.Caramel Frappe said:
This decision is a lot narrower than people want to pretend it is. The law already stipulates that the government will purchase contraceptives for religious non-profits, now they just have to do so for closely held private companies as well. And it requires a "sincerely held religious belief," so you could safely challenge a mysterious conversion to Christian Science / Wahhabi Islam / Scientology / etc.
And last time I checked abortion was legal wasn't it? This still feels like religion forcing it's values on people.wetfart said:
All this decision does is make healthcare even more complicated and bureaucratic in the West. I hope everyone understands that. The more people fight for the right to have exceptions to the law, and the more complex those exceptions are and the more requirements there are to reach those exceptions, the harder and more costly the system is to maintain. This is a win for the religious faction, good for them, but everyone else is going to lose in the long run.
Yeah, but then they might not actually make another, have to take controversies where you can find them.RJ 17 said:
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Does this ruling apply to strange religions made up for this purpose? OTOH, I don't think the US actually bans mind control rays.