Why wouldn't it? Hell, the star fleet isn't a military operative usually. They was sent out just to see what's out there. Nothing wrong with having the new enterprise just visiting new planets and sending that data back to Earth. Boldly go is still boldly go.FPLOON said:So... It really won't make sense since they're too advance to have any real problems that will last a full episode including commercials?
If that's the case, then they should just take a page from Doctor Who or something...
What, and just continually make up and discard rules as convenient, with no sense of continuity from previous episodes and no thought towards future ones? No thank you.FPLOON said:So... It really won't make sense since they're too advance to have any real problems that will last a full episode including commercials?
If that's the case, then they should just take a page from Doctor Who or something...
Worked for Voyager! Bazinga.Thunderous Cacophony said:What, and just continually make up and discard rules as convenient, with no sense of continuity from previous episodes and no thought towards future ones? No thank you.FPLOON said:So... It really won't make sense since they're too advance to have any real problems that will last a full episode including commercials?
If that's the case, then they should just take a page from Doctor Who or something...
You mean the entire franchise, right? There's a reason there's a song out there describing the franchise called USS Make **** Up.McMarbles said:Worked for Voyager! Bazinga.Thunderous Cacophony said:What, and just continually make up and discard rules as convenient, with no sense of continuity from previous episodes and no thought towards future ones? No thank you.FPLOON said:So... It really won't make sense since they're too advance to have any real problems that will last a full episode including commercials?
If that's the case, then they should just take a page from Doctor Who or something...
Shouldn't it be "USS Official Fanfiction of Itself"?LordLundar said:You mean the entire franchise, right? There's a reason there's a song out there describing the franchise called USS Make **** Up.
Well I agree, the song is genuine.IamLEAM1983 said:Shouldn't it be "USS Official Fanfiction of Itself"?LordLundar said:You mean the entire franchise, right? There's a reason there's a song out there describing the franchise called USS Make **** Up.
Star Trek: The Mary Sue Generation?IamLEAM1983 said:Shouldn't it be "USS Official Fanfiction of Itself"?LordLundar said:You mean the entire franchise, right? There's a reason there's a song out there describing the franchise called USS Make **** Up.
As much as I love Trek when it gets serious or contemplative, I'd be an idiot if I didn't admit that there's plenty of characters and episode arcs that purely exist to stroke some screenwriter's ego.
That's already been done.Something Amyss said:Star Trek: The Mary Sue Generation?
Enterprise was a sadly missed opportunity - it had (some) enjoyable actors and characters, and a setting with a lot of opportunities for classic "Trek" exploration, development, and conflict. If only the writers could have come up with a decent plot instead of taking already overused plot devices and wearing them to the bone (time travel).Rebel_Raven said:Yeah, if the new trek is a lot of gunfights, and making out, I'll prolly drop it. Enterprise kinda lost me because of that, though I love the hell out of Scott Bakula.
War right out of the gate (which seems like jumping the shark to me), shootouts, T'pol doing that gel bath thing. It was far less what TOS, and TNG were about. DS9, while a change of theme, was still highly enjoyable, though the dominion War kinda sucked.
She's...not very effective, is she?IamLEAM1983 said:That's already been done.Something Amyss said:Star Trek: The Mary Sue Generation?
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I do think the cast was pretty solid. Hell, i'll at least try to watch anything with Scott Bakula in it just coz Quantum Leap kicked that much ass.Blackbird71 said:Enterprise was a sadly missed opportunity - it had (some) enjoyable actors and characters, and a setting with a lot of opportunities for classic "Trek" exploration, development, and conflict. If only the writers could have come up with a decent plot instead of taking already overused plot devices and wearing them to the bone (time travel).Rebel_Raven said:Yeah, if the new trek is a lot of gunfights, and making out, I'll prolly drop it. Enterprise kinda lost me because of that, though I love the hell out of Scott Bakula.
War right out of the gate (which seems like jumping the shark to me), shootouts, T'pol doing that gel bath thing. It was far less what TOS, and TNG were about. DS9, while a change of theme, was still highly enjoyable, though the dominion War kinda sucked.
Totally agree with you on Bakula; he's the main reason I'm watching NCIS: New Orleans at the moment. And for the most part, yes, the rest of the cast was pretty solid. I really only had a problem with the character of T'pol, and that was more of an issue with the writing/directing than with the actress (newsflash for any former Enterprise writers who just happen to read this: "disdain" and "disgust" are emotional responses).Rebel_Raven said:I do think the cast was pretty solid. Hell, i'll at least try to watch anything with Scott Bakula in it just coz Quantum Leap kicked that much ass.Blackbird71 said:Enterprise was a sadly missed opportunity - it had (some) enjoyable actors and characters, and a setting with a lot of opportunities for classic "Trek" exploration, development, and conflict. If only the writers could have come up with a decent plot instead of taking already overused plot devices and wearing them to the bone (time travel).Rebel_Raven said:Yeah, if the new trek is a lot of gunfights, and making out, I'll prolly drop it. Enterprise kinda lost me because of that, though I love the hell out of Scott Bakula.
War right out of the gate (which seems like jumping the shark to me), shootouts, T'pol doing that gel bath thing. It was far less what TOS, and TNG were about. DS9, while a change of theme, was still highly enjoyable, though the dominion War kinda sucked.
They lost me when they deeply entrenched the plot in war, really. Especially right out of the gate.
War's rarely well done, so it mostly just amounts to weak writing. Create enemy, make them fight, don't get much deeper than that like humanizing people, revealing motives, nope, just make one side just the bad guys.
thinking about it the non orchestra opening song kinda was a nail in the coffin. Not the first one, not the last one, but Trek doesn't feel like Trek otherwise, to me.
Likewise on NCIS. He has an unexpected ability to add southern charm to the series.Blackbird71 said:Totally agree with you on Bakula; he's the main reason I'm watching NCIS: New Orleans at the moment. And for the most part, yes, the rest of the cast was pretty solid. I really only had a problem with the character of T'pol, and that was more of an issue with the writing/directing than with the actress (newsflash for any former Enterprise writers who just happen to read this: "disdain" and "disgust" are emotional responses).Rebel_Raven said:I do think the cast was pretty solid. Hell, i'll at least try to watch anything with Scott Bakula in it just coz Quantum Leap kicked that much ass.Blackbird71 said:Enterprise was a sadly missed opportunity - it had (some) enjoyable actors and characters, and a setting with a lot of opportunities for classic "Trek" exploration, development, and conflict. If only the writers could have come up with a decent plot instead of taking already overused plot devices and wearing them to the bone (time travel).Rebel_Raven said:Yeah, if the new trek is a lot of gunfights, and making out, I'll prolly drop it. Enterprise kinda lost me because of that, though I love the hell out of Scott Bakula.
War right out of the gate (which seems like jumping the shark to me), shootouts, T'pol doing that gel bath thing. It was far less what TOS, and TNG were about. DS9, while a change of theme, was still highly enjoyable, though the dominion War kinda sucked.
They lost me when they deeply entrenched the plot in war, really. Especially right out of the gate.
War's rarely well done, so it mostly just amounts to weak writing. Create enemy, make them fight, don't get much deeper than that like humanizing people, revealing motives, nope, just make one side just the bad guys.
thinking about it the non orchestra opening song kinda was a nail in the coffin. Not the first one, not the last one, but Trek doesn't feel like Trek otherwise, to me.
War can be done well, but it's hard to do. It's practically impossible to get right when the ultimate enemy is some sort of distant and faceless threat. It worked somewhat well for DS9 because for many of their stories, the war was the backdrop rather than the focus, providing a setting in which they could develop the effects on the characters. You are absolutely right that when it just becomes fight after fight and loses focus on the human element, the story just gets tedious and repetitive.
When the show first started, I too was leery of the non-instrumental theme. However, I have to admit that after a while it grew on me (I actually bought the soundtrack; twice). It didn't quite feel like classic "Trek", but it did carry a sense of determination, exploration, and wonder (it's too bad that the show itself failed to convey these ideas). I didn't really care for the new arrangement they did in later seasons though; it seemed an unnecessary effort to push even further away from the show's roots. A lot of the other (instrumental) music in the show was rather enjoyable though; "Archer's Theme" had a good inspirational sound to it that felt very much like a classic Star Trek orchestration(it's the one that played in part during the end credits).
I will always mourn Enterprise as the show that could have been great.