We Can Smell If You're Lying To Us

Feb 13, 2008
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We Can Smell If You're Lying To Us


The Department of Homeland Security [http://www.dhs.gov/index.shtm] is taking a somewhat bizarre new approach to lie detection: analyzing body odor.

While a million dollar industry already exists to mask that noxious smell that permeates armpits, the DHS said it would conduct an "outsourced, proof-of-principle study to determine if human odor signatures can serve as an indicator of deception. ... As a secondary goal, this study will examine ... human odor samples for evidence to support the theory that an individual can be identified by that individual's odor signature."

In other words, to tell if you're lying by sampling your BO.

Civil liberties groups have been "outraged" by the proposal, despite work only being at the preliminary stages. The condemnations have stated that the department's ideas are misplaced, according to people like Barry Steinhardt, the director of the ACLU [http://www.aclu.org/]s technology and liberty project.

"The history of DHS' deployment of these technologies has been one colossal failure after another," said Steinhardt, "There is no lie detector. This research has been a long, meandering journey, which has taken us down one blind alley after another."

Steinhardt's protestations aside, the Royal Society, London, has found that there are "a substantial number of marker compounds (in human sweat) that can potentially differentiate individuals or groups," and while it was found that there is "strong evidence for individual (odor) fingerprints," they warned that it wasn't consistent with some individuals. More importantly, there was some change in the chemicals released over time, whether this was due to "physiological, dietary or other changes." The paper can be found here [http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/361/1471/1123.full?sid=04a31173-291f-45ab-b87a-e8a108b8ab85].

"The technology is still in its infancy," says technology consultant and author John Vacca. "While some of these sensors perform well in the lab, the real world may be different." As anyone who has ever been to a convention knows only far too well.

Source: UPI via Slashdot [http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/03/09/DHS_wants_to_use_human_body_odor_as_biometric_identifier_clue_to_deception/UPI-20121236627329/1/]
(Image) [http://www.flickr.com/photos/jackdorsey/151492278/]

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I III II X4

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
As anyone who has ever been to a convention knows only far too well.
It's funny how some places have such an odor...the first Gamestop in Fairbanks has this...peculiar stench.
 

Rednog

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Considering its highly doubtful people give off a specific odor the exact second they tell a lie this is a waste of money...
 

PayNSprayBandit

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MaxTheReaper said:
We already have the perfect lie detector: Dr. Lightman, on the show Lie to Me.
That was totally the first thing I thought of. You know he's based on Paul Ekman, so it really is realistic.
 

PayNSprayBandit

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MaxTheReaper said:
PayNSprayBandit said:
MaxTheReaper said:
We already have the perfect lie detector: Dr. Lightman, on the show Lie to Me.
That was totally the first thing I thought of. You know he's based on Paul Ekman, so it really is realistic.
I do know that, and I was very pleased to find out it was a real occupation.
Yeah, it's neat; cool show, too.
 

ExistentialCrisis

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MaxTheReaper said:
I III II X4 said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
As anyone who has ever been to a convention knows only far too well.
It's funny how some places have such an odor...the first Gamestop in Fairbanks has this...peculiar stench.
I've noticed this as well, at our local stores. I don't think it's the stores as much as the customers.
Anyway, meh. We already have the perfect lie detector: Dr. Lightman, on the show Lie to Me.
Obviously The Terrorists (since I have no other group to blame that makes this post quasi-funny) have discovered some revolutionary way to hide their secrets. Not even Dr. Lightman in all his glory can save us, so the DHS has to invent something so crazy it just might work! O_O
 

Aardvark

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Pff, everybody knows that terrorists don't wash. You'll never be able to smell lies under all that filth and stench.
 

Aramax

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Pffff... This kind of technology is already obsolete because of this;

http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/04/trek-spring-collection-preview-first-look-at-genki-star-trek-fragrances/

The Tiberius cologne, the smell of truth.
 
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Aramax said:
Pffff... This kind of technology is already obsolete because of this;

http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/04/trek-spring-collection-preview-first-look-at-genki-star-trek-fragrances/

The Tiberius cologne, the smell of truth.
Keane already got this : http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.95398
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
I III II X4 said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
As anyone who has ever been to a convention knows only far too well.
It's funny how some places have such an odor...the first Gamestop in Fairbanks has this...peculiar stench.
I've noticed this as well, at our local stores. I don't think it's the stores as much as the customers.
Anyway, meh. We already have the perfect lie detector: Dr. Lightman, on the show Lie to Me.
Shaun Spencer is still better.
 

sheic99

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MaxTheReaper said:
sheic99 said:
MaxTheReaper said:
I III II X4 said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
As anyone who has ever been to a convention knows only far too well.
It's funny how some places have such an odor...the first Gamestop in Fairbanks has this...peculiar stench.
I've noticed this as well, at our local stores. I don't think it's the stores as much as the customers.
Anyway, meh. We already have the perfect lie detector: Dr. Lightman, on the show Lie to Me.
Shaun Spencer is still better.
You speak foul lies.
My BO smells normal right now, so...