Amazon Excludes Adult Material - Or Does It?

Feb 13, 2008
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Amazon Excludes Adult Material - Or Does It?


Over Easter weekend, much of the gay and lesbian literature on Amazon took a nosedive in their popularity. Was it a glitch? Was it a ban? One man says it was just ten lines of code.

A web troll, who shall remain nameless, really had had enough of user rating systems on places like Amazon. His "perfectly normal" requests for doing drugs with women had been marked down by a community that didn't do the same for doing drugs with the same sex. (One thing you learn about the web, never be surprised by anything.)

His revenge? Ten lines of code.

The first 7 lines of code created a simple loop to grab all the relevant links to LGB books. (Easily done thanks to Amazon's wonderful search engine.) The eighth line grabs the IDs from all of those URLs.

Now comes the science part: Amazon is very vulnerable to a phenomenon known as "Cross-site request forgery". In other words, if you send someone the URL of a complaint, it will trigger the complaint again if they are logged in.

Having a friend with a very high traffic website, said user chatted with him and for the "lulz [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lulz]", they put it into an invisible iframe on the site. This started the collapse of the ratings.

Not entirely finished though, said user hired a bunch of hackers to create a bunch of accounts. Each of these accounts sent him a bunch of cookies containing a logged-on profile.

The last two lines of code looped through these cookies to create automated-reports on all the books.

Result? The entire rating system of LGB books collapsed and Amazon had to take it down. The problem the site now faced was explaining the removal of the ratings system without exposing its susceptibility to exploit.

The solution?
In consideration of our entire customer base, we exclude "adult" material from appearing in some searches and best seller lists. Since these lists are generated using sales ranks, adult materials must also be excluded from that feature.
Of course, as this is only a troll's word for what happened, we don't know what really happened, but the Amazon report is very much confirmed [http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?q=amazon+gay&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:eek:fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dnnSyWNBADIPw7M&hl=en&ei=Db7jSYqDMdWD-Aa9iJyCCQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=4&ct=more-results&cd=1], and if you think the Spore debacle [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/86392-EA-Makes-Changes-To-Spore-DRM] was bad, watch this space.

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Doug

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Friggin' hell, why oh why are people in the world (and hence the internet) so stupid, and why are they so bitchy that some of them pull shit like this?
 

chimmers

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This is the problem with idiots, they are always good at something. And that thing will usually be used to annoy the hell out of you
 

Weltall_Basic

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Eh? I mean I guess it's possible but considering the source is "a web troll", why is it considered a valid tip?
 
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Weltall_Basic said:
Eh? I mean I guess it's possible but considering the source is "a web troll", why is it considered a valid tip?
Because the article it came from is fully sourced and backed up, but obviously it would be a bad idea to source the article out to others.

Given what happened and that Amazon do still sell a number of "Adult" items that aren't affected, it seems very strange otherwise.
 

Weltall_Basic

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Ahh, I see. Excuse my sleep deprived mind I didn't even notice this had been going on for days. Reports of "glitches" and such. Quite interesting.
 

Radelaide

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chimmers said:
This is the problem with idiots, they are always good at something. And that thing will usually be used to annoy the hell out of you
And usually involve the internet...

See, this is why we can't have nice things.
 

TsunamiWombat

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Especially since the only affected the Gay and Lesbian literature segments of the site, perhaps claiming this was intentional removal of "adult" material was a bad bad move on Amazon's part.

Discrimination lawsuit here we come!
 

Eri

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I don't approve what he did, but they're the ones who brought it on.
 

scotth266

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Bwah? What exactly did this accomplish? Besides confirming that people buy stuff like that off of Amazon? It all seems very sily: you can still find it if you look, right?

TsunamiWombat said:
Especially since the only affected the Gay and Lesbian literature segments of the site, perhaps claiming this was intentional removal of "adult" material was a bad bad move on Amazon's part.

Discrimination lawsuit here we come!
That's the first thing that crossed my mind. Bring on the suits!
 

scotth266

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Jarrid said:
scotth266 said:
Bwah? What exactly did this accomplish? Besides confirming that people buy stuff like that off of Amazon? It all seems very sily: you can still find it if you look, right?
What it accomplished was "successful troll was successful."
Trolling doesn't really have a point to it other than to ruin someone else's day.
Isn't that the definition of trolling though?
Eh, I don't really care much about this, though it is hilarious. I don't see why you would want to buy adult materials off of Amazon anyway.
 

Miral

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To me, the real point of this article is that Amazon needs to fix their complaint system, rather than simply hiding the current target. If the hole mentioned in the article remains open then anyone (with sufficient traffic) could launch a similar attack against different kinds of books or other items.

Assuming, of course, that such a hole really does exist and wasn't just made up by the troll...
 

Inverse Skies

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I kind of didn't follow that very well... all I managed to get from it was some guy got ticked off and now Amazon has to look back at its complaints system.

I think my brain is in shutdown mode after the stupid assignment I've been writing... I can't concentrate now...
 
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Miral said:
To me, the real point of this article is that Amazon needs to fix their complaint system, rather than simply hiding the current target. If the hole mentioned in the article remains open then anyone (with sufficient traffic) could launch a similar attack against different kinds of books or other items.

Assuming, of course, that such a hole really does exist and wasn't just made up by the troll...
Aye, that's the main thought behind this article. It's not so much what happened as the idea it could easily happen again. This wasn't a pro-troll, just someone who wanted to flex his internet muscles for lulz. Having looked at the code, I can say it's likely that it would have worked.
 

Booze Zombie

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"Waa, waa! I must fuck the world because I'm an insecure prick! Oh, blame it on the 'lulz'... that'll work."

"Okay, not the world... I'm not that strong. The adult section of Amazon. Phear me."
 

I III II X4

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Booze Zombie said:
"Waa, waa! I must fuck the world because I'm an insecure prick! Oh, blame it on the 'lulz'... that'll work."

"Okay, not the world... I'm not that strong. The adult section of Amazon. Phear me."
Yeah, that's probably how it went down.

I never cared for rating systems myself, as I know what I'm going to buy, even before I log onto Amazon. I guess I just hate browsing through stuff...