The Pirate Bay Found Guilty

Andy Chalk

One Flag, One Fleet, One Cat
Nov 12, 2002
45,698
1
0
The Pirate Bay Found Guilty


The Pirate Bay Four have been hit with a prison term and a hefty fine after a Swedish court found them guilty of violating copyright laws.

Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde were each sentenced to a year in jail and ordered to pay, collectively, damages of $4.5 million. The amount were considerably lower than the $17.5 million the group of entertainment companies was seeking but International Federation of the Phonographic Industry [http://www.ifpi.org/] Chairman John Kennedy was pleased by the verdict, saying, "These guys weren't making a principled stand, they were out to line their own pockets. There was nothing meritorious about their behavior, it was reprehensible."

"The Pirate Bay did immense harm and the damages awarded doesn't even get close to compensation, but we never claimed it did," he continued. "There has been a perception that piracy is okay and that the music industry should just have to accept it. This verdict will change that."

The group intends to appeal the verdict and Sunde said they would refuse to pay any fines levied against them regardless. "It's so bizarre that we were convicted at all and it's even more bizarre that we were [convicted] as a team. The court said we were organized. I can't get Gottfrid out of bed in the morning. If you're going to convict us, convict us of disorganized crime," he said. "We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes."

"[The verdict] is outrageous, in my point of view. Of course we will appeal," added Per Samuelson, a lawyer for Carl Lundstrom. "This is the first word, not the last. The last word will be ours."

Piratbyrån [http://thepiratebay.org/] (The Piracy Bureau), a Swedish group that supports a global movement against copyright laws, but has been run as an independent operation since October 2004. The site claims to be the the world's largest bittorrent tracker, but has consistently maintained that because it has only torrent files and does not host any actual copyrighted material, it cannot be prosecuted for copyright violations.

Source: BBC [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8003799.stm]


Permalink
 

Abedeus

New member
Sep 14, 2008
7,412
0
0
Oh crap, that's harsh.

I do believe they only allowed .torrent files to be hosted on their servers. It's the users that did the piracy, not (hehe) the Pirate Bay.
 

wordsmith

TF2 Group Admin
May 1, 2008
2,029
0
0
They didn't *actually* do anything, all they did was allow people to find other people with what they want...
 

Gilrond

New member
Apr 17, 2009
14
0
0
A peculiar verdict to be sure, but we'll see what happens after the appeal. This isn't over yet.
 

Damien the Pigeon

New member
Oct 23, 2008
730
0
0
Abedeus said:
Oh crap, that's harsh.

I do believe they only allowed .torrent files to be hosted on their servers. It's the users that did the piracy, not (hehe) the Pirate Bay.
I don't know about that one. They still gave people the means to pirate easily, so they should take some blame. That's like passing out guns to gangs and then saying, "Well, I didn't kill anyone; the people I gave guns to did." There's still a little bit of responsibility there, don't you think?

EDIT: Upon looking at other posts, why is everyone so surprised by the verdict? It's not an outrage. It makes sense! For God's sake, it's called The Pirate Bay!
 

sunami88

New member
Jun 23, 2008
647
0
0
Up next on the legal chopping block? Google [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=filetype%3Atorrent+wolverine]* (Search for "filetype:torrent wolverine")...

Seriously, how is it any different?

Warning, apparently illegal content!
 

Tech Team FTW!

New member
Apr 1, 2009
1,049
0
0
Well this is interresting. Why haven't they taken legal action against the Piratenpartei, the political party that is trying to legalise piracy?
 

Pandalisk

New member
Jan 25, 2009
3,248
0
0
MercurySteam said:
ROFL already been done..........
yes but this man does it in a more classy way, and his username is golden..Golden!

Who cares really, they'll claim this is a great step in the fight against piracy but a thousand more will take its place
 

cainx10a

New member
May 17, 2008
2,191
0
0
That's just sad. I mean, it's a good step toward showing 'dem filthy sea rats' how to deal with them; but the price they have to pay, is totally unfair.
 

sneak_copter

New member
Nov 3, 2008
1,204
0
0
sunami88 said:
Up next on the legal chopping block? Google [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=filetype%3Atorrent+wolverine&meta=&btnG=Google+Search&aq=o&oq]*...

Seriously, how is it any different?

Warning, apparently illegal content!
Good point. Google's not hosting that, it's just submitted content. is that illeigal? Obviously they won't be sued because of Google's big, nasty lawyers.

The music industry needs to grow some balls.
 

MercurySteam

Tastes Like Chicken!
Legacy
Apr 11, 2008
4,950
2
43
Pandalisk said:
MercurySteam said:
ROFL already been done..........
yes but this man does it in a more classy way, and his username is golden..Golden!

Who cares really, they'll claim this is a great step in the fight against piracy but a thousand more will take its place
Aye you're right, definatley more fancy and offical. But I'll have to take the side of the Pirates since me and my friends owe them alot. And the reason I don't have a guilty conscience is because of my 360.(damn you Microsoft, stop stealing all my monies!)
 

Squeaksx

New member
Jun 19, 2008
502
0
0
"I don't know about that one. They still gave people the means to pirate easily, so they should take some blame. That's like passing out guns to gangs and then saying, "Well, I didn't kill anyone; the people I gave guns to did." There's still a little bit of responsibility there, don't you think?

EDIT: Upon looking at other posts, why is everyone so surprised by the verdict? It's not an outrage. It makes sense! For God's sake, it's called The Pirate Bay!"







I'd have to partially agree with this particular person. Despite not doing anything illegal themselves they produced the means of doing something illegal (Sort of like leaving medicinal marijuana on the side of the road and expecting not to get busted when some passerby picks it up.). While I think the amount of money they are being sued for is a little outrageous, I not that surprised that they got busted. For the comment about Megaupload, watch, they're next I'm sure.
I would suppose that simply shutting them down would work, since a copycat website is probably going to appear the moment that happens. (Probably a tad less organized I'm sure, but still.)
 

Mr Inconsistent

New member
Mar 29, 2009
80
0
0
i hope that all the sweet google and youtube money will crush the opposing party's by lobbyïng against them with the goverment
 

BlueTimberwolf

New member
Oct 29, 2008
52
0
0
sunami88 said:
Up next on the legal chopping block? Google [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=filetype%3Atorrent+wolverine&meta=&btnG=Google+Search&aq=o&oq]* (Search for "filetype:torrent wolverine")...

Seriously, how is it any different?

Warning, apparently illegal content!
Because it is not called the pirates Google.

And secondly Google is not set up exclusively to find pirated material.
 

Kaze103

New member
Feb 11, 2009
16
0
0
It deserved it I think. It promotes the piracy, which is a step further than most other torrent sites out there, it was asking for it. Like on the release date of The Dark Knight, it promoted all the torrents it had of it.
 

sunami88

New member
Jun 23, 2008
647
0
0
sneak_copter said:
Good point. Google's not hosting that, it's just submitted content. is that illeigal? Obviously they won't be sued because of Google's big, nasty lawyers.

The music industry needs to grow some balls.
Oh I think they've got 'em alright. And they know exactly what they're doing.

Case and point, I stopped for a second before hitting Post to think about whether or not I'd get sued just for linking to a site that links to sites that have links to metadata of copy written material that in theory could be used to download those materials illegally.

Then I figured that was insane and posted anyways. But they want people to hear about bigwigs in the torrent community getting taken down, because then we get scared and cut back (at least for a little while :p).

That sounded a lot more paranoid and rant-ish than I had intended. Sorry.

EDIT:
BlueTimberwolf said:
Because it is not called the pirates Google.

And secondly Google is not set up exclusively to find pirated material.
"filetype:torrent", takes one tiny little string on the main page to make them a torrent search engine, just like TPB. Indeed, Google aggregates from many, many other sites, TPB doesn't*.

*Alright, I guess you could count torrents with multiple trackers, but you get my drift anyways.