Mystery00 said:
anti_strunt said:
Yes... When, oh when, are we going to rise to the level of maturity where we start mass-producing cartoon pornography near-invariably featuring awkward, socially stunted teenage schoolboys having tons of sex with hot and willing (and underage) maidens without ever having to bother with serious, adult relationship issues? Infantile escapism ahoy...
I very much hope you aren't claiming that Japanese society has anything to teach anyone in terms of sexual "maturity".
You mean entertainment is supposed to deal with serious issues instead of being escapism? Entertainment is there for entertainment, no matter the subject.
The more information there is floating around about something, the better informed a decision a person can make. Keeping things secret or taboo, from kids especially, only drives their curiosity to dangerous levels where they end up making stupid mistakes.
I most certainly agree that keeping sex a secret taboo is a bad idea compared with proper sex education. Sweden has such education, and last I checked had a far, far lower rate of teenage pregnancy than the US. Though it should also be pointed out that porn is
never a viable substitute for
real sex ed.
However, that was never my point. My point was that it was utterly absurd to ascribe to Japan a high level of sexual maturity based on cartoon porn, such as the example being reviewed here.
While I do not have any statistics on Japanese pornographic production, I think it's safe to say that products such as this one constitute a fair percentage of that production. Let us then compare a product like this with "normal" porn, which usually just involves a pair of adults having sex before a camera - basic, uncomplicated, ordinary.
In contrast, consider a culture of pornography where the act of sex is mystified and cluttered with the most absurd and artificial fetishisms; connected with either immature awkwardness or embittered misogyny; and of course most egregiously:
portrayed by cartoons. In this case, we have cartoons involved in some sort of underage, cryptosexual, tickle-my-secret-place-Elmo-game, supposedly for supernatural reasons.
You tell me which approach is the more mature.
(Yes, I am aware that this is something of a straw man argument. My point still stands, I think: from what I've seen, based on a fairly substantial sample, Japanese cartoon porn is usually either infantilised or deeply misogynistic, and neither approach speaks of any great "maturity".)
Besides, surely the height of sexual maturity would mean that people only had real sex, instead of languishing in front of substitute pornography?