Microsoft Vows to Investigate Reports of Child Labor

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Microsoft Vows to Investigate Reports of Child Labor



Microsoft is mobilizing its inspectors after the National Labor Committee's allegations of atrocious conditions at KYE, a Chinese factory that makes products for Microsoft.

The report, which was made publicly available on the National Labor Committee's <a href=http://www.nlcnet.org/reports?id=0034>site, goes into explicit detail on the conditions of the factory. KYE, which supplies products not only to Microsoft but a number of other American companies, employs workers dubbed as "work study students" sometimes as young as 14. The report states they are working 15 hour shifts, six or seven days a week. Workers are paid 65 cents an hour (about 4 Chinese Yuan an hour, the Yuan being the rough equivalent to a US dollar in terms of Chinese currency), with factory food being deducted from the wage. The report further cites cramped fourteen-person dormitories, no proper bathing facilities, and sexual harassment of female employees by the guards.

"As a result of this report, we have a team of independent auditors en route to the facility to conduct a complete and thorough investigation," Microsoft said in response to this report. "If we find that the factory is not adhering to our standards, we will take appropriate action."

Microsoft said it had earlier assessed the facility and found no evidence of either child labor or safety violation. It has, however, stated it is going to take these new allegations seriously and respond. Microsoft has promised the facility will be audited next week in order to ensure the workers are being properly treated. Of course, with the official announcement and set date, there's nothing preventing the factory management from taking some time to "clean house" and make it look good for the visiting American inspectors. The dichotomy between the Microsoft assessment and the report is striking, and Chinese factory owners have been known for putting on a good face to American companies in the past to mask labor violations. While Microsoft has declared its intent to correct any problems it may find, who is to say it will find any problems when its inspectors go through the facility?

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Turtleboy1017

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Well good for them. Too bad other companies can't learn from this... it would earn them some good publicity as well.

However, I can't help but feel that Microsoft interfering would make things worse... some of those workers, that job is all they got. Without it, who knows how they can get their next meal.
 

Jamash

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It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).
 

oppp7

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Microsoft is the one stepping up for human rights now?
*Head explodes*
 

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Do they really expect to find anything wrong? It kind of defeats the purpose of an audit when you announce you are going to have one. It just gives those pricks time to hide the problem. At least they're making an effort though, which is more than can be said about other companies.
 

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Jamash said:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).
I think you'd better just put that "logic" crap of your's down and walk away. And I really wish Canada still had the age of consent at 14, it was nice to live in a country with sound minded leaders. Oh well, no sense worshipping gravestones.
 

Cody211282

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Well considering most products from china are done by kids I don't see how this is a shock to them
 

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Member when Mattel went down to China and preached the same message?

Remember how that ended?
 

TheArma

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oppp7 said:
Microsoft is the one stepping up for human rights now?
*Head explodes*
A touch unfair, Bill and Melinda Gates' charity work has stood up for human rights the world over, especially the rights of children and Bill is still the boss - so I can't imagine he would knowingly tolerate human rights breaches.

Just because many of us don't like some of the business practices of a company doesn't mean we need to consider the whole organization to be entirely evil.

That said I am not even going to start to debate the rights and wrongs of China's labor laws, we'd be here all day.
 

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That's why you should always write some kind of "we'll show up and do a check whenever we damn well please without telling you about it before hand" clause into the contract.

Chinese companies have a reputation, as you said, for putting their "best face forward" to western companies, I did some contracting work for a company about a decade back and heard stories about how one Chinese factory they hired looked all shiny and new on inspections and tours with happy workers, but it turns out the books were doctored so that they wages the workers were suppose to be getting were cut by something like 75% (the rest going into the pocket of the bosses), the conditions appalling, when there were no investors / buyers around.

They only found out after a mix up in timing had them show up a week earlier for a meeting, the western company broke the contract then and there.

So you can't really blame Microsoft if they dealt in good faith, but if they knew about it before hand and did nothing I'd say burn them alive.
 

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TheArma said:
oppp7 said:
Microsoft is the one stepping up for human rights now?
*Head explodes*
A touch unfair, Bill and Melinda Gates' charity work has stood up for human rights the world over, especially the rights of children and Bill is still the boss - so I can't imagine he would knowingly tolerate human rights breaches.

Just because many of us don't like some of the business practices of a company doesn't mean we need to consider the whole organization to be entirely evil.

That said I am not even going to start to debate the rights and wrongs of China's labor laws, we'd be here all day.
True, but you're forgetting Microsoft is an internet punching bag that makes me look cooler when I make fun of it. And since they directly affect me in a negative way it doesn't matter how much they donate to charity they still suck.

The former is the reason I made fun of them and the latter is what just about everyone else on this site thinks.
 

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i sure as hell know that i wasnt ready for a job and a love life at 14, and just because that is their legal age limit it doesn't make it the right one
 

Ajna

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Would getting rid of these suppliers increase the cost of my new controllers, or that fancy-ass new flash drive (though why I'd buy the MS licensed one, I don't know. This is theoretical)? Because if so, I'm against it. I'm against anything that raises the cost to me, as a consumer.
 

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Jamash said:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).
14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?
 

Danpascooch

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Ajna said:
Would getting rid of these suppliers increase the cost of my new controllers, or that fancy-ass new flash drive (though why I'd buy the MS licensed one, I don't know. This is theoretical)? Because if so, I'm against it. I'm against anything that raises the cost to me, as a consumer.
It would cut profit margins for Microsoft, but they wouldn't risk raising current prices.

Also, way to stand up for human rights, Mr.ShiningBeaconOfMorals
 

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It's hard to imagine Microsoft doing anythink good. But it's good to know they are keeping an eye on how their stuff is made.
 

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danpascooch said:
Jamash said:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).
14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?
Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.