Supreme Court Agrees to Review California Game Law

Andy Chalk

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Supreme Court Agrees to Review California Game Law


The Supreme Court of the United States has decided to review a controversial California law which would restrict the sale of videogames to minors, a case which could go a long way toward deciding whether videogames are entitled to the same First Amendment protections as other creative works.

In 2005, the state of California enacted a law, sponsored by noted videogame critic Leland Yee, that would impose fines on retailers who sell violent games to minors. The Entertainment Software Association challenged the law on constitutional grounds and won, forcing it to be appeal [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/75762-California-Game-Law-Struck-Down] the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Court announced today that it would review the law and determine once and for all whether it violates the constitution. The decision will have wide-ranging implications: A ruling against California will essentially cement the First Amendment rights of videogames, whereas a decision in favor throws the door open to future restrictions and similar laws in other states.

"Courts throughout the country have ruled consistently that content-based regulation of computer and video games is unconstitutional. Research shows that the public agrees, video games should be provided the same protections as books, movies and music," Entertainment Software Association [http://www.theesa.com/] President Michael Gallagher said in a statement.

"As the Court recognized last week in the U.S. v. Stevens case, the First Amendment protects all speech other than just a few 'historic and traditional categories' that are 'well-defined and narrowly limited'," he continued. "We are hopeful that the Court will reject California's invitation to break from these settled principles by treating depictions of violence, especially those in creative works, as unprotected by the First Amendment."

In the Stevens case [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Stevens], the Supreme Court ruled that a federal law criminalizing the creation, sale or possession of "certain depictions of animal cruelty" was "substantially overbroad, and therefore invalid under the First Amendment." The Court noted that "the First Amendment's free speech guarantee does not extend only to categories of speech that survive an ad hoc balancing of relative social costs and benefits," a position which would seem to have as much relevance to videogames as it does to dogfighting videos.

"A poll recently conducted by KRC Research found that 78 percent believe video games should be afforded First Amendment protection," Gallagher said. "We look forward to presenting our arguments in the Supreme Court of the United States and vigorously defending the works of our industry's creators, storytellers and innovators."


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Jared

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Well, its nice to see the people arte the top thinking down to what people want and are doing.

Although not a citizen of the states, I am sure this could be a positive step for all
 

Eldarion

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I AM THAH GOVENATOR, GET IN THAH CHOPAH!!!!!

Sorry.

Hopefully the supreme court will see things our way. Games deserve the same constitutional protection as other forms of media.
 

TheDoctor455

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Umm...
I really hope the lawyer defending the first amendment for video games will point out all of the violent movies that Arnold's been in.
Some of them are more violent than most games ever get.
I just hope the supreme court finds video games to be protected by the first ammendment...
like they did before...
(sigh)
The only reason I see why Arnold wanted this appeal in the first place was to draw attention away from all of the money he's stolen from California's education system and transfer that collective hate onto his attempt to stomp on civil liberties.
 

DrunkWithPower

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I really just think this is a way to try and ease the California debt. My keywords was "California" "Fines" and "Sales to minors". Easy picking for a hard up state.
 

obisean

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They are not restricting the content of a game, they are just enforcing the number on the front of the box. I know the can of worms will open as soon as the courts deem it legal to restrict kids from buying adult games. Will I buy my kids adult games? Sure, but it is at my discretion.

Also, allowing kids to buy any game they want eliminates the, "The box says 17, why did you buy it for him?", argument. We all know how people love to blame their kids violent actions on adult video games that they were too young to buy in the first place.
 

Therumancer

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I'm personally rather disappointed with Arnie backing this bill given the movies that made him famous.

As far as games deserving First Amendment protection, I feel that goes without saying.
 

Xanadu84

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This is an odd situation. On one hand, yes, video games with a mature rating should be kept out of the hands of minors, unless the Parents give the child permission. Same deal with any material that is not appropriate for children. Its totally reasonable to have sales restrictions that facilitate parents having more say over there kids entertainment, and such restrictions only serve to deflate and defeat the arguments of video game critics. And Video Games being a icon for this makes sense, because games are probably a more powerful, expressive medium then any other medium. However, the wording here says that lifting restrictions would make video games have the SAME protections as other works. Well video games certainly should enjoy the same protection. But last time I checked, you need to be accompanied by an adult to see a rated R movie, Pornography isn't sold to minors, and so on and so forth. So what rights are video games denied, compared to other mediums? Is there some sneaky bit of censorship hidden in this law that I don't know about, or are people just automatically on the side that proliferates video games, without addressing the fact that its in gamers, and our cultures, best interests to not encourage 8 year old's to play something like Doom, which is certainly legitimate expression, but not something a child is ready to encounter?
 

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Donnyp said:
Andy Chalk said:
In 2005, the state of California enacted a law, sponsored by noted videogame critic Leland Yee, that would impose fines on retailers who sell violent games to minors.
I actually see no problem with this...if your parents don't have a problem with the ESRB rating then they should buy it for you.
Yeah really I see no problem with fining people for not respecting the ratings system, the problem is that a lot of these proposed laws seek to put games in the same category as pornography, as "obscene material" and that's where the problems start.
 

HobbesMkii

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Well, maybe not "once and for all." That's not how the Supreme Court works. Future courts are allowed to overturn previous decisions. But sure, "for once" the Supreme Court will decide this.
 

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AceDiamond said:
Donnyp said:
Andy Chalk said:
In 2005, the state of California enacted a law, sponsored by noted videogame critic Leland Yee, that would impose fines on retailers who sell violent games to minors.
I actually see no problem with this...if your parents don't have a problem with the ESRB rating then they should buy it for you.
Yeah really I see no problem with fining people for not respecting the ratings system, the problem is that a lot of these proposed laws seek to put games in the same category as pornography, as "obscene material" and that's where the problems start.
yeah everyones slightly sadistic so in my eyes violent videogames help me from bashing the head in of someone who goes to my school
 

Nimbus

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obisean said:
Also, allowing kids to buy any game they want eliminates the, "The box says 17, why did you buy it for him?", argument. We all know how people love to blame their kids violent actions on adult video games that they were too young to buy in the first place.
No, there's a difference between allowing the store to do what it sees fit, and forcing stores to sell these games to minors. Stores are still going to restrict sales, just as they have always done.

IMO, the less blanket bans on what we can and can't do, the better.
 

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I can't believe the Governator actually allowed this to pass.

Oh wait, he's a stupid hypocrite. He lets his violent movies go to children, so of course. -_-
 

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Therumancer said:
I'm personally rather disappointed with Arnie backing this bill given the movies that made him famous.

As far as games deserving First Amendment protection, I feel that goes without saying.
He's just bitter he's never been in a good game.
 

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I predict that this will have the same outcome that it had for movies years ago.

Which means that the government cannot censor or enforce censorship (except for minors and sexually explicit content), but private companies can submit to voluntary ratings by a private ratings board.
 

RJ Dalton

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If the Supreme Court ruled that corporate spending is protected speech, then video games had better fucking be the same as well. That's all I've got to say about this.
 

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Xanadu84 said:
But last time I checked, you need to be accompanied by an adult to see a rated R movie,
The Government has absolutely nothing to do with the enforcement of the age restrictions attributed to movies. That's a decision of the businesses involved, namely the studios, theaters, and the MPAA. If a movie theater wanted to let little children see an R rated movie, then the government really can't do much about it. It is a business choice. They have to balance potential sales versus public condemnation.

In the same vein, any game seller, like Walmart or Gamesop, has the right to refuse sales of M rated games to persons under the age of 18. This is a business choice. Again, sales potential vs public sentiment.

The rating for both movies and games are not controlled by any government entity. Just as they have no voice in the settings of the ratings, they should have no voice in its enforcement.