Is Warp Speed Possible?

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Is Warp Speed Possible?


In the run up to the release of the new Star Trek movie,Space.com [http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/090506-tw-warp-drive.html] posed the question of whether warp speed is feasible.

The earliest reference to traveling through space appeared in "Somnium," a book published in 1634 by Johannes Kepler, where he describes traveling to the moon via demons.

In these "enlightened" times, we think more of the warp drive, hyperspace and wormholes for our FTL (faster than light) travel. Mainly since Einstein defined his Theory of General Relativity (E=mc^2), which states that as one approaches the speed of light, the mass of the ship becomes infinite. What that means in plain English is that you'd need an infinite thrust to push you past the speed of light.

The latest theory to come about seems to throw out the idea of engines altogether and asks, if you can't move the ship that fast, why not move the space around the ship?

Marc Millis, former head of NASA's Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project, has stated this idea, based off of physicist Miguel Alcubierre first theory in 1994. And why is it so feasible? Well, it may have already happened.

If we accept the Big Bang theory as fact, then parts of space-time must have been able to travel faster than light to set up their positions today.

"If it could do it for the Big Bang, why not for our space drives?" Millis said.

To do this, scientists would have to create a mass or energy as yet unknown that would to manipulate the space-time that they are in already, roughly how the TARDIS is supposed to work.

There are studies being done towards dark energy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy] and negative energy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotic_matter], but all three of these pose their own problems in harnessing that power.

"We still don't even know if those things are possible or impossible, but at least we've progressed far enough to where there are things that we can actually research to chip away at the unknowns," Millis said. "Even if they turn out to be impossible, by asking these questions, we're likely to discover things that otherwise we might overlook."

Perhaps Zefram Cochrane [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zefram_Cochrane] is already working on such an idea?

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Ilosia

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Personally I'd be worried that you'd effect not only you position in the dimension of space but the dimension of time as well.
 

Steve Dark

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One of the more interesting theories I heard was the idea that if you can't go faster than the speed of light, you just change the speed of light in the space around yourself. How the hell they planned to do that escapes me at the moment, but it was an interesting article.
 

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Steve Dark said:
One of the more interesting theories I heard was the idea that if you can't go faster than the speed of light, you just change the speed of light in the space around yourself. How the hell they planned to do that escapes me at the moment, but it was an interesting article.
The "speed of light" is more accurately called "the speed of light in a vacuum". The speed of light changes according to the medium it's in; if we could create a meta-material with properties that allow light to travel faster than in a vacuum.... or something like that. Supervacuum?
 

Glerken

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Sounds fun.
And you never know, they could make a break through.

But then...The Earth would probably just go to war with any planet that had life on it.
 

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Singularly Datarific said:
Dark energy, eh?
Would it resemble this at all?
Dark energy is 'dark' because it doesn't interact with or produce light or "white matter". So dark energy would look like absolutely nothing, an utterly unobservable force.
 

TheBlackKnight

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you know what will happen, when you attempt to fold space and time; All hell [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd0nQUF00Sg] breaks lose.
 

LANCE420

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Don't forget that when mass becomes infinite it will produce a huge gravity field which in turn becomes a black hole.

If this is for space travel, the speed of light is still a incredibly slow speed, since the nearest star to us is 4.5 light years away. And the planets there are useless, mostly gas giants from what I heard. The best possible solution for space travel is the wormhole(folding space), which is only a theory. I'm not going to think about cause it will probably be hundreds of years before the technology is available.

Also, call me a capitalist pig, but there is no economic reasoning to going into space, yet.
 

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Or we could just give up on space travel, right? With so many problems in the here and now, why are we staring off into the future and trying to emulate the zany, but oh-so-lovable Professor Farnsworth? These are fun, exciting ideas to kick around, but when they receive greater "mind share" and funding than serious problems such as clean water, we're being incredibly foolish with our limited resources.
 

LANCE420

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Blank__ said:
Or we could just give up on space travel, right? With so many problems in the here and now, why are we staring off into the future and trying to emulate the zany, but oh-so-lovable Professor Farnsworth? These are fun, exciting ideas to kick around, but when they receive greater "mind share" and funding than serious problems such as clean water, we're being incredibly foolish with our limited resources.
agreed
 

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Glerken said:
Sounds fun.
And you never know, they could make a break through.

But then...The Earth would probably just go to war with any planet that had life on it.
And we would pwn them, and take all their technology.

Cos thats how we roll.
 

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It seems impossible with our current laws of physics, but perhaps after a few decennia, perhaps five to ten years, a few new things will be known and it will be possible.
 

LANCE420

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Steelfists said:
Glerken said:
Sounds fun.
And you never know, they could make a break through.

But then...The Earth would probably just go to war with any planet that had life on it.
And we would pwn them, and take all their technology.

Cos thats how we roll.

Thats true, we could always steal their technology for our own selfish purposes.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
The latest theory to come about seems to throw out the idea of engines altogether and asks, if you can't move the ship that fast, why not move the space around the ship?
That's not science! Thats a futurama episode!