Smash the System!
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It's good to see people still know about car wars, I've actually been thinking of running a proper campaign with it instead stand alone battles.
How would that work? Are you sacrificing the morality to get upgraded (can't remember what vamp uses for that stat)? It would be interesting because the lower that stat goes is suppose to show how well you connect with humans, but the flavor text just doesn't work in my mind.Afterglow said:
There was actually an official version called Nights Edge by Dream Pod 9 (or at least they bought the rights to it). It wasn't actually VtM but it added vampires & werewolves and had a few good splat books and adventures, almost as many as vanilla CP2020. You just used EMP like you did in CP2020 but it also added a PSI stat for psychic powers.KEM10 said:
@ Alexander Macris: +1000 points for mentioning Cyberpunk 2020. -1000 for adding magic you got fantasy in my Cyberpunk...RAAAAAGE. *cough*.
I pretty much use CP2020 rules for any modern game and have played TW2K and 2013 with CP2020 while using the TW rules for generating areas and foraging through the ruins etc. D20 modern posta apoc helped with ideas. I'm thinking about doing the same with Dark Heresy as I dislike the system.
Warhammer Fantasy Battle (or Roleplay?) and Superheros? ...*RAAAAAGE*...Actually I know very little about Marvel Superheroes, mixing up the rules might be awesome but the day I mix the settigns is the day something really really unlikely happens.
I think it's quite readily available online if you search various cyberpunk sites.Afterglow said:
EDIT: I've just had a look and it says VtM uses a 1-10 stat system and the VtM equivalent of Empathy is Humanity, so you take cyber induced humanity loss (funnily enough that's what its called in CP2020 as well) off that stat instead.
car wars is something I have been interested in playing. And I know where to get a classic travelers book.... hmmmm.
Also, R Talsorian games put out Cybergeneration which I think was Cyberpunk with psionics basically. Never really allowed it in my campaigns or played with it. Nights Edge was also a little too strange to taint my CP 2020 games as well.
Finally, the last issue of Interface offered Call of Chtulu conversion rules as I recall.
Finally, the last issue of Interface offered Call of Chtulu conversion rules as I recall.
Call of the Rune: A very easy one, Call of Cthulhu and Runequest. They both have the same d100 system and its easy to just take the San rules and add them into the glorantha setting. See one too many Broos and you end up a loony.
CyberArthur: I played this more years ago than I care to remember, as a one off. It took the pendragon rules, in which the Characters had vice/virtue stats and added human/machine. The Arthur stories set on one planet after the fall of a galactic empire. There is some technology left but not much i.e. Excalibur is a power sword. Knights can have implants that do all the normal cyberpunk stuff but push down the human/machine stats. Imagine Mordred as horse riding cyborg killing machine. The big problem is the pendragon rules themselves are a bit clunky.
CyberArthur: I played this more years ago than I care to remember, as a one off. It took the pendragon rules, in which the Characters had vice/virtue stats and added human/machine. The Arthur stories set on one planet after the fall of a galactic empire. There is some technology left but not much i.e. Excalibur is a power sword. Knights can have implants that do all the normal cyberpunk stuff but push down the human/machine stats. Imagine Mordred as horse riding cyborg killing machine. The big problem is the pendragon rules themselves are a bit clunky.
Wow, you just got me excited all over again for a mash-up I am currently working on using Dark Heresy and a compendium of Fallout concepts and mechanics.
Hook 1: DH has a hit-location mechanic that includes limb-specific damage. This, of course, is very similar to VATS in FO3 (and also the targeting system of one and two).
Hook 2: Skills feel somewhat similar to me. Well, actually, they are nothing alike, but that's easy to change.
Dark Heresy has a focous on Abilities, such as Strength (called... well, Strength) and charisma (called fellowship, in DH), and all skills depend on one of these abilities. For example, when using carouse, you have to roll a d 100. if you have carouse trained, you have to roll under your fortitude score, which for an average character, is about 30. So, you roll 29, you succeed, but if you roll 31, you fail. There is a bit more to it, naturally, but that is the basic principle. Oh, it should be noted that there are a lot of potential skills in DH.
Meanwhile, Fallout games have a very limited number of generally all-encompassing skills, which determine almost everything a player does, from shooting a gun, to fixing a computer. These skills are represented, generally, by a percentage. As in, a percentage to succeed. As in, success can be determined by a d100, specifically by rolling below the percentage. See where I'm going with this?
Hook 3: C'mon. Spacemarines-brotherhood of steel? las guns-laser riffles? This is just begging for a mash up
The original idea was to create a new Fallout rpg (yes, I know there already is one, and no, I haven't tried it) with a rule system that my group already understands and really enjoys. Admittedly, while I have some rather promising results, I lack the time necessary to work more comprehensively on this project, and have little more then a skeletal framework for the skills and abilities.
However, if someone were willing to work with me on this, I think there could be great gaming potential here. Also, I would be more motivated to keep working on it, which is awesome (my group, unfortunately, lacks the vision and drive to help me with this )
What I am getting at is this: if any of you think that this is an idea worth pursuing, and are willing to work with me on this send me a PM and I can e-mail you what I've got so far. I'm not looking for glory, just a fun way to role-play in the setting for fallout.
TL;DR - Dark Heresy and Fallout = great mash-up
Hook 1: DH has a hit-location mechanic that includes limb-specific damage. This, of course, is very similar to VATS in FO3 (and also the targeting system of one and two).
Hook 2: Skills feel somewhat similar to me. Well, actually, they are nothing alike, but that's easy to change.
Dark Heresy has a focous on Abilities, such as Strength (called... well, Strength) and charisma (called fellowship, in DH), and all skills depend on one of these abilities. For example, when using carouse, you have to roll a d 100. if you have carouse trained, you have to roll under your fortitude score, which for an average character, is about 30. So, you roll 29, you succeed, but if you roll 31, you fail. There is a bit more to it, naturally, but that is the basic principle. Oh, it should be noted that there are a lot of potential skills in DH.
Meanwhile, Fallout games have a very limited number of generally all-encompassing skills, which determine almost everything a player does, from shooting a gun, to fixing a computer. These skills are represented, generally, by a percentage. As in, a percentage to succeed. As in, success can be determined by a d100, specifically by rolling below the percentage. See where I'm going with this?
Hook 3: C'mon. Spacemarines-brotherhood of steel? las guns-laser riffles? This is just begging for a mash up
The original idea was to create a new Fallout rpg (yes, I know there already is one, and no, I haven't tried it) with a rule system that my group already understands and really enjoys. Admittedly, while I have some rather promising results, I lack the time necessary to work more comprehensively on this project, and have little more then a skeletal framework for the skills and abilities.
However, if someone were willing to work with me on this, I think there could be great gaming potential here. Also, I would be more motivated to keep working on it, which is awesome (my group, unfortunately, lacks the vision and drive to help me with this
)What I am getting at is this: if any of you think that this is an idea worth pursuing, and are willing to work with me on this send me a PM and I can e-mail you what I've got so far. I'm not looking for glory, just a fun way to role-play in the setting for fallout.
TL;DR - Dark Heresy and Fallout = great mash-up
I'm fairly sure that the Escapist is the only website where I may have to stop and think about what meaning of the word Yahtzee somebody is using.Slycne said:
Sort of, it was Cyberpunk with "the kids" and nanotech = magic powers. Kinda like V3...aegios187 said:
Some of the Nights Edge adventures were actually pretty good for low "level" characters and removing the supernatural element was usually very easy. Somehow they always felt like they'd been written by people who'd play VtM or LARP, some of it quite character driven with little combat.
Oh, that's ok then, scratch the 1000 point penalty and have +500 for destroying their very being. Well done. Make sure you spend it on boosterware and black lace.Archon said:No, no, you misunderstand
Probably not a good idea, I've already got a Serenity RPG in the works, so writing a Car Wars game would probably distract me too much. But once I'm clear of that system, sure!Archon said:
Interesting article, as usual. I have to say, though, I think most "new" rpg systems have always been the result of smash-ups. I think too you can carry it beyond just smashing together different RPGs, which you do touch on a bit, to smashing together totally different games or even games and movies, books, plays, etc.
The world's your quarry, your mind is the sledgehammer.
The world's your quarry, your mind is the sledgehammer.
Well it may not exactly be a smash-up, but I have my dad's old rulebooks, the very first form of what became Dungeons and Dragons (no, not ChainMail, just little booklets before they published the real official rulebooks) and I have been integrating some of the older rules into my 4th Edition DnD campaign