The Pirate Bay Faces More Blockades

Andy Chalk

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The Pirate Bay Faces More Blockades


Five more Dutch ISPs have been ordered to block The Pirate Bay.

In 2010, Dutch copyright group BREIN filed suit against Ziggo, the largest internet provider in the Netherlands, demanding that it be ordered to block access to The Pirate Bay. XS4ALL, another provider, was eventually added to the case, which BREIN won in a ruling delivered in January of this year. Both companies appealed the ruling, while BREIN took its victory and moved on to other targets.

Given the outcome of the original case, it's not too surprising that BREIN has prevailed in its latest effort as well. The Court of the Hague issued a ruling today that UPC, KPN, Tele2, T-Mobile and Telfort must all begin blocking The Pirate Bay as well. They have ten days to comply or they'll face fines of as much as €250,000 [$323,000].

The order covers 20 domains, including thepiratebay.se [http://www.thepiratebay.org], as well as two specific IP addresses. BREIN had asked for a block on three IPs but the court ruled that one of them contained only content that was legitimately owned by The Pirate Bay, like images and CSS files. The court also denied a BREIN request that it be allowed to add IPs and domains to the block, which means The Pirate Bay could get around it by simply using a new domain.

The new Dutch blockade follows a recent similar DDoS attack [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117001-Court-Orders-UK-ISPs-to-Block-Pirate-Bay], despite saying that it was not in favor of the tactic and calling for "compelling legal alternatives" to fight copyright infringement instead. The Pirate Bay itself quickly called for an end to the attack, saying that "DDOS and blocks are both forms of censorship."

Source: Torrentfreak [http://torrentfreak.com/five-more-dutch-isps-given-10-days-to-censor-the-pirate-bay-120510/]


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Awexsome

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There is a middle ground between unapologetic criminal activity and internet censorship that Big Brother would be proud of.

Taking care of obvious offenders like The Pirate Bay is a good step towards that middle ground. Nobody can claim that they did anything close to an effort to discourage illegal activity going through them.
 

SpAc3man

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Oh no some people might actually have to change to a private DNS server! Or worse...Tor!
 

DEAD34345

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Awexsome said:
There is a middle ground between unapologetic criminal activity and internet censorship that Big Brother would be proud of.

Taking care of obvious offenders like The Pirate Bay is a good step towards that middle ground. Nobody can claim that they did anything close to an effort to discourage illegal activity going through them.
No, but since when was it illegal to not stop illegal activity? The Pirate Bay doesn't host anything illegal at all, it only offers magnet links to groups of seeders in a peer-to-peer network. If simply linking to something is illegal, and therefore The Pirate Bay is illegal, then wouldn't The Escapist also be in breach of the law for providing a link to something illegal in this very article?

What it boils down to is that The Pirate Bay is doing nothing illegal, and yet big media companies can still get it censored simply because they believe it harms their profits. That should be very worrying to any reasonable person, regardless of whether they care for the site itself.
 

kiwi_poo

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Damn BREIN and their stupidity.

Such a useless part of the government. Considering all the cuts being made, I'd think they'd disappear as well.
 

FoolKiller

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What amuses me is that the rule makers are 5 steps behind the rule breakers. This will affect only the most basic of users. Anyone who wants to use the pirate bay will still be able to.
 

Dogstile

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Awexsome said:
There is a middle ground between unapologetic criminal activity and internet censorship that Big Brother would be proud of.

Taking care of obvious offenders like The Pirate Bay is a good step towards that middle ground. Nobody can claim that they did anything close to an effort to discourage illegal activity going through them.
Awesome. Tell you what, the next time someone asks me where they can get some games and I point them to a friend who is giving a few of his away for free, report me. Go on, i'll be here laughing. Because its not illegal to not stop people from doing something illegal.

Lunncal said:
Awexsome said:
There is a middle ground between unapologetic criminal activity and internet censorship that Big Brother would be proud of.

Taking care of obvious offenders like The Pirate Bay is a good step towards that middle ground. Nobody can claim that they did anything close to an effort to discourage illegal activity going through them.
No, but since when was it illegal to not stop illegal activity? The Pirate Bay doesn't host anything illegal at all, it only offers magnet links to groups of seeders in a peer-to-peer network. If simply linking to something is illegal, and therefore The Pirate Bay is illegal, then wouldn't The Escapist also be in breach of the law for providing a link to something illegal in this very article?

What it boils down to is that The Pirate Bay is doing nothing illegal, and yet big media companies can still get it censored simply because they believe it harms their profits. That should be very worrying to any reasonable person, regardless of whether they care for the site itself.
Or, you know, this.
 

MetallicaRulez0

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When will governments and corporations learn that they can't stop piracy? It will never stop. As long as there are people on the internet, there will be people downloading games, movies, and music for free.

Blocking single torrent sites is akin to squashing a single individual from an ant colony of millions.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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DVS BSTrD said:
There are two things I hate in this world. People who don't respect Intellectual Property Rights
... and the Dutch.
I'm not fond of the Dutch either.

FoolKiller said:
What amuses me is that the rule makers are 5 steps behind the rule breakers. This will affect only the most basic of users. Anyone who wants to use the pirate bay will still be able to.
The biggest problem is that we have these laws being made by people who don't understand technology.
 
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MetallicaRulez0 said:
When will governments and corporations learn that they can't stop piracy? It will never stop. As long as there are people on the internet, there will be people downloading games, movies, and music for free.

Blocking single torrent sites is akin to squashing a single individual from an ant colony of millions.
CM156 said:
DVS BSTrD said:
There are two things I hate in this world. People who don't respect Intellectual Property Rights
... and the Dutch.
I'm not fond of the Dutch either.

FoolKiller said:
What amuses me is that the rule makers are 5 steps behind the rule breakers. This will affect only the most basic of users. Anyone who wants to use the pirate bay will still be able to.
The biggest problem is that we have these laws being made by people who don't understand technology.
both of these are very true.

they need to work on the other side of it, instead of putting up all these idiotic blockades and waste of effort/time/money, they need to entice people into purchasing and the benefits of buying things for cheaper prices/convenience.

I can't remember the last time I knew someone who honestly paid for all their music, let alone quite a few other things (whether that be through trades/barters or other such, when the publishers/creators become an annoyance to legal buyers, that's when people look to other means)
 

Awexsome

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dogstile said:
Awexsome said:
There is a middle ground between unapologetic criminal activity and internet censorship that Big Brother would be proud of.

Taking care of obvious offenders like The Pirate Bay is a good step towards that middle ground. Nobody can claim that they did anything close to an effort to discourage illegal activity going through them.
Awesome. Tell you what, the next time someone asks me where they can get some games and I point them to a friend who is giving a few of his away for free, report me. Go on, i'll be here laughing. Because its not illegal to not stop people from doing something illegal.
It's illegal to encourage doing things illegal. And pirate bay was definitely encouraging it. You tell me otherwise and I'll be laughing at your stupidity in return.

And c'mon... used games? I thought we were at least all on the same page that used game sales didn't equal piracy. That's another issue that has nothing to do with the Pirate bay being the beacon for piracy it is and WANTS to be.
 

him over there

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Lunncal said:
Awexsome said:
There is a middle ground between unapologetic criminal activity and internet censorship that Big Brother would be proud of.

Taking care of obvious offenders like The Pirate Bay is a good step towards that middle ground. Nobody can claim that they did anything close to an effort to discourage illegal activity going through them.
No, but since when was it illegal to not stop illegal activity? The Pirate Bay doesn't host anything illegal at all, it only offers magnet links to groups of seeders in a peer-to-peer network. If simply linking to something is illegal, and therefore The Pirate Bay is illegal, then wouldn't The Escapist also be in breach of the law for providing a link to something illegal in this very article?

What it boils down to is that The Pirate Bay is doing nothing illegal, and yet big media companies can still get it censored simply because they believe it harms their profits. That should be very worrying to any reasonable person, regardless of whether they care for the site itself.
I think this needs to be handled on a case by case basis. Yes the pirate bay only hosts the links, however the sole purpose of the site is to serve as a massive directory to pirate pretty much everything. It serves no other uses. It is a middle man that allows piracy on a far larger scale because the average joe can do it far easier.
 

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dogstile said:
Awexsome said:
There is a middle ground between unapologetic criminal activity and internet censorship that Big Brother would be proud of.

Taking care of obvious offenders like The Pirate Bay is a good step towards that middle ground. Nobody can claim that they did anything close to an effort to discourage illegal activity going through them.
Awesome. Tell you what, the next time someone asks me where they can get some games and I point them to a friend who is giving a few of his away for free, report me. Go on, i'll be here laughing. Because its not illegal to not stop people from doing something illegal.

And i'll be happy to laugh at you when EA and similar blame used games for hurting sales.
 

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SpAc3man said:
Oh no some people might actually have to change to a private DNS server! Or worse...Tor!
That statement isn't quite as sarcastic as you thought it would be. The idea that data exchange would be limited to the private web, or that random people looking for a TV episode that they missed would be forced to comb the deep web is actually terrifying.
 

Eleuthera

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kiwi_poo said:
Damn BREIN and their stupidity.

Such a useless part of the government. Considering all the cuts being made, I'd think they'd disappear as well.
They're not a part of the government, they're a private organisation. So, sadly, they won't be cut to save us money...
 

jurnag12

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And it really worked, no one uses the Pirate Bay anymore!

Now they're all just going to Isohunt for the torrents.
 

Cid Silverwing

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Cue people mass-emmigrating from The Netherlands or using proxys.

Seriously, is there some sort of modern-age Prohibition going on?