DRM Is Still Dumb, Says CD Projekt

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DRM Is Still Dumb, Says CD Projekt



Restrictive digital rights management just acts as a challenge to pirates and crackers.

CD Projekt has been on the front lines of the consumer's right to play the game they pay for without having to log in, authenticate, or deal with any kind of DRM. the business model appears to be working [http://www.gog.com/]. The Polish publisher even released its own Witcher 2 on PC without any DRM attached to it. GOG's managing director Guillaume Rambourg spoke to Forbes at length about why DRM doesn't help the fight against piracy, and why CD Projekt will never, ever, sell games with DRM attached again.

"First of all let me dispel the myth about DRM protecting anything. The truth is it does not work. It's as simple as that," Rambourg said. "The technology which is supposed to protect games against illegal copying is cracked within hours of the release of every single game. So, that's wasted money and development just to implement it."

There's no challenge for pirates to "crack" a game with no DRM on it. "The illegal scene is pretty much about the game and the glory: who will be the first to deliver the game, who is the best and smartest cracker. The DRM-free version at GOG.com didn't fit this too well," said Marcin Iwinski, CEO of CD Projekt Red, the developer of The Witcher games.

Rambourg goes on to say how the user of a pirated copy almost always has a better gaming experience than someone who bought a game with DRM legitimately. "Quite often the DRM slows the game down, as the wrapper around the executable file is constantly checking if the game is being legally used or not. That is a lot the legal users have to put up with, while the illegal users who downloaded the pirated version have a clean - and way more functional! - game. It seems crazy, but that's how it really works.

"I do not see any future for DRM at all," he said. "We use no DRM and we never will."

Even though CD Projekt knows that The Witcher 2 was downloaded illegally more than 4.5 million times, Rambourg firmly believes that figure does not translate to lost sales in a 1 to 1 relationship. "I would rather say that a big part of these 4.5M+ pirated copies are considered a form of trial version, or even a demo. Gamers download [pirate copies] because it's easy, fast, and, frankly, costs nothing. If they like the game and they start investing the time, some of them will go and buy it. This is evident in the first Witcher, where the total sales are 2.1 million units at present and the game is still doing well, although it is already 5 years old."

Just think of all this when you boot up Diablo III. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5743] Sorry, low blow.

Source: Forbes [http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielnyegriffiths/2012/05/18/the-truth-is-it-doesnt-work-cd-projekt-on-drm/]

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CM156_v1legacy

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Greg Tito said:
Even though CD Projekt knows that The Witcher 2 was downloaded illegally more than 4.5 million times,
Forgive me, but wasn't that just a really rough estimate?

Just think of all this when you boot up Diablo III. Sorry, low blow.
You're not sorry :)

OT: Quite frankly, I agree with him. No DRM is one of the reasons I love GoG
 

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I can't wait for the day when DRM is no longer used and I never have to hear that damn word and debate ever again.

Anyways, why don't more people listen to him? He makes sense and knows what he's talk- oh wait, I see why people don't.

Never mind.
 

Tony2077

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cdprojekt one of many companies i haven't bought a game from unless you can give me a reason to give witcher a shot. no drm is a good thing but its even easier for the pirates to get the game. most of them couldn't be convinced to buy a game for any reason
 

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I love you, you magnificent Polish bastards!

You know what, I bought The Witcher a year after it came out, loved it. Then when I heard Witcher 2 was coming to consoles (because my rig is old and I have no plans to update it) I promised myself I would buy a new copy. Now I bought it on trade in and benefits programs from GameStop, but that's a sale for you guys.
 

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I won't be thinking that when I boot Diablo 3, I won't be booting Diablo 3. I'll keep my money and spend it on whatever CDProjekt release next.


CM156 said:
Greg Tito said:
Even though CD Projekt knows that The Witcher 2 was downloaded illegally more than 4.5 million times,
Forgive me, but wasn't that just a really rough estimate?
Not really, places like TorrentFreak can track the number of times a torrent is downloaded, how many people are mirroring it etc, it's not perfect (and assumes every download results in a working pirated copy) but it gives a fairly good picture of how much different pieces of software get downloaded.
 

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The SecuROM drm that EA used to use (dunno if they still do) actually opened a back door on your computer that viruses and shit could get through past your firewall...

That's mainly why I don't like DRM...because of that stupid shit...

...also, Always Online DRM isn't that great either...especially when you WANT TO PLAY YOUR DAMN GAME AND YOU GET BOOTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO UPDATE SHIT EVERY 5 MINUTES...AND YOU LOSE YOUR PROGRESS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET A DAMN CHECKPOINT!!!!

Sorry, I'm very bitter today cuz of dat :mad:
 

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tony2077 said:
cdprojekt one of many companies i haven't bought a game from unless you can give me a reason to give witcher a shot. no drm is a good thing but its even easier for the pirates to get the game. most of them couldn't be convinced to buy a game for any reason
Well, the games usually get cracked by the end of the release day anyway, so it's not like it's doing anything other than inconveniencing those who have to jump through the hoops, since I'm pretty sure the people that crack it get rid of all of the DRM and extra junk nobody cares about.
 

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How much do you want to bet that certain companies will continue to use faulty DRM despite it obviously not working?
 

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JaceArveduin said:
tony2077 said:
cdprojekt one of many companies i haven't bought a game from unless you can give me a reason to give witcher a shot. no drm is a good thing but its even easier for the pirates to get the game. most of them couldn't be convinced to buy a game for any reason
Well, the games usually get cracked by the end of the release day anyway, so it's not like it's doing anything other than inconveniencing those who have to jump through the hoops, since I'm pretty sure the people that crack it get rid of all of the DRM and extra junk nobody cares about.
it usually does doesn't change that most of those people wouldn't buy the game for any price drm or not. it'd be easier on the legit buyers but it doesn't really change who'd buy the game or not at least not by much
 

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tony2077 said:
it usually does doesn't change that most of those people wouldn't buy the game for any price drm or not. it'd be easier on the legit buyers but it doesn't really change who'd buy the game or not at least not by much
Exactly, so why make your company and all of your legit customers jump through the hoops the pirates don't bother with? It's not efficient.
 

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CD Projekt and Forbes, two shining examples of decency in an industry filled with shit.
 

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I agree that DRM doesn't seem to do much.

But I call bull on the 'trail-version' thing. I know there are people who do that, but even there I bet there's positive confirmation bias where they forget the times where they played a heck of a lot of the game and didn't buy it.

And then there's the people who will justify it ' I played through the game but it wasn't really that good so I won't pay for it'

It's a well known phenomenon that people rationalise away things according to their beliefs and conveniences and even supposing that all those 4.5 million people are nice, honourable people illegally pirating games, I still wouldn't say that even 1% of them actually pay for as many games as they should have.

Anecdotal evidence, I know a few people who have pirated a lot of games over their time, I have never known one of them to buy a game after they've pirated it.


If I had to guess, probably 2.5million + wouldn't have bought the game anyway, maybe 10 000 tops of those 4.5million went on to buy it. It shouldn't happen and we shouldn't be grateful that piracy happens, but then if you've got the choice between doing nothing to stop it and taking time and money doing nothing to stop it, it's clear DRM free is better
 
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Fr said:
anc[is]CD Projekt and Forbes, two shining examples of decency in an industry filled with shit.
agreed, i read all this and had a big smile on my face at the nice logic they have of customers, while being journalists/developers.


i'm going to support GOG and CDprojekt as much as i can, as long as it doesn't break my wallet!
 

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(Music swells) Did you ever know that you're my hero...

So many great games I never would have gotten a chance to play without GOG. A fair number of old favorites I happily revisited, given a chance, too.

Long live CDProjekt.
 

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There was a study that found in the United States it was easier and better results by lawyers to prosecute pirates who by-passed DRM under the DMCA than it was on non-DRM media. I'm guessing since CD Projekt is not in the US, it is not a big deal.