How many people have you tried to teach this to? This isn't all instinctive to newer players, they tend to not do these things.Zachary Amaranth said:The phrase "duh" immediately sprung to mind on this one.
Isn't this fairly standard?
Green/Black?! It would never work!Encaen said:Say you're attacking with Primeval Titan and the opponent is blocking with Grand Abolisher, Loyal Cathar, and a 3/3 Champion of the Parish. If after blockers are declared you cast your Doom Blade on the Champion, you've not only saved your Titan, but cleared out three opposing creatures at the cost of a single card.
Recently? None. But my friends were all doing this back when Magic was brand freaking new, so it's not like they were told to do it by the internet or anything.vxicepickxv said:How many people have you tried to teach this to? This isn't all instinctive to newer players, they tend to not do these things.
I'm guessing then that your friends had a pretty good tendency to play a wide variety of games then.Zachary Amaranth said:Recently? None. But my friends were all doing this back when Magic was brand freaking new, so it's not like they were told to do it by the internet or anything.vxicepickxv said:How many people have you tried to teach this to? This isn't all instinctive to newer players, they tend to not do these things.
Unless it does work. I'm working on a black/green deck just so I can try to get [mtg_card=wolfhunter's quiver] equipped onto a [mtg_card=Dread Slaver] so I can steal creatures. I'd also need a [mtg_card=Nightshade peddler] for some deathtouch.Draconalis said:Green/Black?! It would never work!Encaen said:Say you're attacking with Primeval Titan and the opponent is blocking with Grand Abolisher, Loyal Cathar, and a 3/3 Champion of the Parish. If after blockers are declared you cast your Doom Blade on the Champion, you've not only saved your Titan, but cleared out three opposing creatures at the cost of a single card.
Unless you have both swamps and forests in your deck.Draconalis said:Green/Black?! It would never work!Encaen said:Say you're attacking with Primeval Titan and the opponent is blocking with Grand Abolisher, Loyal Cathar, and a 3/3 Champion of the Parish. If after blockers are declared you cast your Doom Blade on the Champion, you've not only saved your Titan, but cleared out three opposing creatures at the cost of a single card.
I've actually noticed the CPU doing the exact same thing at times in the computer game "duel of the planeswalkers", particularly with opponents with Jace decks. For instance, at times, I'll play a decent card like Zombie Warlord and shortly afterward, my opponent will play Repulse on it.Encaen said:Withholding Information
Gaining a strategic advantage by denying your opponent information.
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I've had two green/black decks in my time... and I'll tell you exactly what they do. They give you land after land after land. You'll end the game, win or lose with 11 land minimum.vxicepickxv said:Unless it does work. I'm working on a black/green deck just so I can try to get [mtg_card=wolfhunter's quiver] equipped onto a [mtg_card=Dread Slaver] so I can steal creatures. I'd also need a [mtg_card=Nightshade peddler] for some deathtouch.
That seems unlikely, unless you're running a lot of ramp. Consider running fewer land fetch cards if this is always happening.Draconalis said:I've had two green/black decks in my time... and I'll tell you exactly what they do. They give you land after land after land. You'll end the game, win or lose with 11 land minimum.
It shocks me how often it happens to my G/B decks...
Not a whole lotta ramp... one deck was kinda morbid themed, so it ran dawntreaders, but I tend to go more for creature ramp than land ramp anyway.DArkAbyssKeeper said:That seems unlikely, unless you're running a lot of ramp. Consider running fewer land fetch cards if this is always happening.
I for one barely know my way around the psychological tricks of Magic, despite having played for nigh on eight years. This was actually some much-needed help for me... I make a lot of misplays and simple little errors that always end up costing me the game. =/Zachary Amaranth said:The phrase "duh" immediately sprung to mind on this one.
Isn't this fairly standard?
not really, no.vxicepickxv said:I'm guessing then that your friends had a pretty good tendency to play a wide variety of games then.
Yeah, that's just poor sportsmanship. I certainly don't condone that kind of behavior in Magic or anything. Also, I love Phyrexian mana for just that reason. Surprise! [mtg_card=Mutagenic Growth]Evil Alpaca said:To be honest, when I first read the title, I thought this article would be about players withholding information by being jerks about it. An example that springs to mind is from a draft night at a local hobby shop, one of the regulars refused to tell his opponent who was starting out what some of the basic abilities of cards did (what is first strike, deathtouch, etc...) to win a draft match easily.
As for the topic, this is why I almost never empty my hand. Even if I draw a land card, I usually hold onto it just because, if you play it, you tell your opponent that you are not an unknown threat during their turn. I especially loved the phyrexian mana cost of some cards, because it meant a player that was tapped out was still able to cast spells.
It sounds like you suffer with [user]Trujkin[/user] on this, with the same style of deck even. I've rarely seen a game with his BG Ramp where he didn't flood on lands, and I helped him revise it a couple of times, so I'm confident the land balance is correct. Nothing like a late-game glut of land to just ruin your day.Draconalis said:Not a whole lotta ramp... one deck was kinda morbid themed, so it ran dawntreaders, but I tend to go more for creature ramp than land ramp anyway.
It just always happens...
Or early game... or mid game... and especially all game.Encaen said:It sounds like you suffer with [user]Trujkin[/user] on this, with the same style of deck even. I've rarely seen a game with his BG Ramp where he didn't flood on lands, and I helped him revise it a couple of times, so I'm confident the land balance is correct. Nothing like a late-game glut of land to just ruin your day.
It took months before my cousin finally stopped trying to block the same flier {[mtg_card=Vault Skirge]) with grounders.Myan said:I feel this article was for me. Since Encaen is my teacher and I STILL do bonehead moves.
I kind of know how you feel. Subjects that I feel like I can easily grasp is something way harder on other people. Sometimes, 'basics' just don't get in. It's different for everyone. Maybe you were playing with smarter people all the time.Zachary Amaranth said:The phrase "duh" immediately sprung to mind on this one.
Isn't this fairly standard?