248: Only Zerg Rush In
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The Zerg Rush tactic, is perhaps the greatest and most effective way to rape the AI.. As proven in Countless RTS's, Halo Wars for example Spawn a few hundred Tanks or Thousand Grunts and steamroll across the map. Spore, Spawn 20 Airplanes beat Civ. Mod in 20 minutes.. Supreme Commander spawn Hundreds of Strategic Bombers and go nuts!
But dang it all if it doesn't irk me to no end, and is slightly embarrassed when you spend a couple of minutes planning a strategy. Only to have it be destroyed 2 minutes into your grand scheme by a million slavering Zerglings.
But dang it all if it doesn't irk me to no end, and is slightly embarrassed when you spend a couple of minutes planning a strategy. Only to have it be destroyed 2 minutes into your grand scheme by a million slavering Zerglings.
For the record, playing 2v2 custom games with a couple of new friecquaintances for kicks when all three of them are silver+ and you're a nubly bronze demonstrates with extreme quickness the flaws of mutalisk-heavy zerg building.Tonimata said:This is true, but that isn't gonna stop meShjade said:
And if all else fails...
ZERGLING RUSH AHOY!
I was chastised by fire, you might say.
Thoroughly.
Chastised?! Is that... wait... OOOH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!Shjade said:For the record, playing 2v2 custom games with a couple of new friecquaintances for kicks when all three of them are silver+ and you're a nubly bronze demonstrates with extreme quickness the flaws of mutalisk-heavy zerg building.Tonimata said:This is true, but that isn't gonna stop meShjade said:
And if all else fails...
ZERGLING RUSH AHOY!
I was chastised by fire, you might say.
Thoroughly.
Owwwwww.
I did the same thing when the stupid helper voice demanded overlords! I don't need these zerglings for long, dang it! Just let 'em run without supervision!
The zerg absolutely require strategy to play. Its of a different kind, though! (Talking about high-level SC1 play here.)
For example, did you know Zerg are the race the most dependent on flankings, envelopings and pre-positioning their army? Also, they are the most mobile of the 3 races, and they are the most adaptable (because larvae can morph into anything, whereas Terrans and Protoss are bottlenecked by the type of production facility they need).
Zerg units are also very fragile. This means that if you don't position your units properly, you can get completely wiped out and do no damage whatsoever. This is why flanking is so important. For example, if you send 50 zerglings at a terran infantry force head on, all of them will die and not kill a single marine, if the marines (with medics) have reached critical mass. However, if you envelop from the rear and the front as soon as the same number marines are on the move and straggling a little, you can wipe out the entire force (you will still lose a lot of zerglings though, that's just the nature of zerg... lol).
Also, flanking the enemy somewhat avoids brutal AoE style attacks like Psi Storm and Siege tanks
Zerg have one of the most intersting spells in Dark Swarm. Dark Swarm is vital because it creates "safe zones" so the Zerg army can actually compete with the concentrated ranged firepower of Terran in the late game and push the Terran army back. A handful of zerglings and just two lurkers under a dark swarm can do serious damage to a large terran infantry force.
Finally the linchpin of master-level Zerg play is timing and larvae management. Zerg have the msot interesting production system because of the larvae. Terran and Protoss produce workers and units in parallel through different production queues, but the Zerg cannot. The advantage the Zerg have is that if they fully devote their larvae to either workers or units, they can produce either one faster than if the queues were parallel. A true Zerg master is distinguished by the ability to know exactly how many units are needed to avoid dying and then pour the rest into workers- or, conversely, to know exactly how many workers are needed to fuel the machine and then pour the rest into units, and most crucially, where the line between these two phases lies.
For example, did you know Zerg are the race the most dependent on flankings, envelopings and pre-positioning their army? Also, they are the most mobile of the 3 races, and they are the most adaptable (because larvae can morph into anything, whereas Terrans and Protoss are bottlenecked by the type of production facility they need).
Zerg units are also very fragile. This means that if you don't position your units properly, you can get completely wiped out and do no damage whatsoever. This is why flanking is so important. For example, if you send 50 zerglings at a terran infantry force head on, all of them will die and not kill a single marine, if the marines (with medics) have reached critical mass. However, if you envelop from the rear and the front as soon as the same number marines are on the move and straggling a little, you can wipe out the entire force (you will still lose a lot of zerglings though, that's just the nature of zerg... lol).
Also, flanking the enemy somewhat avoids brutal AoE style attacks like Psi Storm and Siege tanks
Zerg have one of the most intersting spells in Dark Swarm. Dark Swarm is vital because it creates "safe zones" so the Zerg army can actually compete with the concentrated ranged firepower of Terran in the late game and push the Terran army back. A handful of zerglings and just two lurkers under a dark swarm can do serious damage to a large terran infantry force.
Finally the linchpin of master-level Zerg play is timing and larvae management. Zerg have the msot interesting production system because of the larvae. Terran and Protoss produce workers and units in parallel through different production queues, but the Zerg cannot. The advantage the Zerg have is that if they fully devote their larvae to either workers or units, they can produce either one faster than if the queues were parallel. A true Zerg master is distinguished by the ability to know exactly how many units are needed to avoid dying and then pour the rest into workers- or, conversely, to know exactly how many workers are needed to fuel the machine and then pour the rest into units, and most crucially, where the line between these two phases lies.
I know next to nothing about the starcraft world, but the name of this thread is worth one cookie.
You win!
You win!
Have to agree backlashhg,
Zerg absolutely require strategy for all the reasons already mentioned, furthermore, if you've never seen the muta-stack micro... Mutalisks, the basic zerg air units can be stacked to snipe workers, high templar, isolated marines, turrets and generally reek havoc through hit and run tactics.
Map control is important to be able to keep ahead in expansions. And you need to be able to shut down air attacks microing the kamikaze scourge to take out vessels and arbiters.
There is so much strategy involved.
Zerg absolutely require strategy for all the reasons already mentioned, furthermore, if you've never seen the muta-stack micro... Mutalisks, the basic zerg air units can be stacked to snipe workers, high templar, isolated marines, turrets and generally reek havoc through hit and run tactics.
Map control is important to be able to keep ahead in expansions. And you need to be able to shut down air attacks microing the kamikaze scourge to take out vessels and arbiters.
There is so much strategy involved.
The thing i like about the zerg...
At one minute they could be simple cannon fodder murder mass, another minute they could be the epitome of true guerrilla warfare.
The Protoss may have more powerful units, but nothing can withstand the aggression of a hundred zerglings. And if you add a little more strategy to your aggression, you're unstoppable...
At one minute they could be simple cannon fodder murder mass, another minute they could be the epitome of true guerrilla warfare.
The Protoss may have more powerful units, but nothing can withstand the aggression of a hundred zerglings. And if you add a little more strategy to your aggression, you're unstoppable...
With all the hullabaloo about SC2, I recently decided to pop back into the original and take it for a spin. I failed spectacularly on the first mission you can get zerg rushed in. It's the one where you have to hold a Terran base for something like 20 minutes to a half hour, or just go and destroy the Zergs if you're good enough. Since I hadn't played in years (it actually took me about an hour just to find my discs) I decided to just wait out the timer.
That... didn't work so well. I technically won, but it was ridiculously close. The Zerg swarmed my defenses and slaughtered all my units, then started destroying every building I had. The timer ran out and I was "rescued" with one building left and even that about to fall.
I've since regained some of my previous abilities, but that was an eye opening moment. The years had dulled the memories of getting zerg rushed, something my friend loved to do. I would always turtle, and hope to withstand his initial barrage long enough to build superior units and tactically eliminate him, but it was always a battle between rushing and planning.
That... didn't work so well. I technically won, but it was ridiculously close. The Zerg swarmed my defenses and slaughtered all my units, then started destroying every building I had. The timer ran out and I was "rescued" with one building left and even that about to fall.
I've since regained some of my previous abilities, but that was an eye opening moment. The years had dulled the memories of getting zerg rushed, something my friend loved to do. I would always turtle, and hope to withstand his initial barrage long enough to build superior units and tactically eliminate him, but it was always a battle between rushing and planning.
