Valve Drops the Hammer On Infringing Dota 2 Mace

Andy Chalk

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Valve Drops the Hammer On Infringing Dota 2 Mace


Valve has replaced nearly 25,000 "Timebreaker" maces in Dota 2 after discovering that it was a copy of "Marchutan's Blessed Mace" from Aion.

The Steam Workshop is a pretty sweet piece of kit, allowing gamers to create and share various sorts of game content like mods and models, and even make a few bucks in the process. But there are some inherent risks with such a system, too, foremost among them the possibility that people will submit copyrighted material and claim it as their own. To help combat such things, Valve requires all Workshop contributors to "promise that their contributions are original," and also allows members of the Steam community to report submissions that may violate its terms.

The system works well, according to Valve, and has resulted in more than 1400 takedowns so far, but things get a little more problematic when Steam Workshop items end up for sale on Steam or in a game, and are then discovered to be violating someone's copyright. It causes a lot of headaches for all involved and, as Valve explained in a recent announcement, also leads to the application of some serious smackdown.

"A user submitted a mace for Dota 2, and based on strong community ratings, the mace was made available in the game as 'Timebreaker' in Sithil's Summer Chest. 24,603 users spent money on keys to open the chest and ultimately receive the mace," it said. "Recently it came to our attention that this mace was in fact a copy of a mace from the game Aion. The copying has had negative consequences for everyone involved: users lost the mace and received an alternative weapon instead, the contributor has been banned and will lose out on any proceeds from the sale of the item, and it took a lot of time for us to investigate and remedy the situation."

I don't know how much money the guy made off the mace (and will thus lose) but the part that really stings is the ban from Steam, which means the loss of all the games in his library. I would never condone plagiarism, but that's an awfully harsh punishment and one that I don't think necessarily speaks well of Steam. Transgressions must be punished, but stripping someone of games he's rightfully paid for is a little too heavy-handed for my liking.

In any event, learn the lesson, kids, and learn it well: Don't steal other people's stuff and try to pass it off as your own!

Source: Steam [http://steamcommunity.com/games/SteamWorkshop/announcements/detail/1335568846541784343]


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Mr.Mattress

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Wait, Dota 2 isn't even officially out yet, at least not according to everything I'm hearing. How can 25,000 people have it if most people can't have it yet? I don't understand...
 

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They should have just locked him out of any future contests and submissions.
 

triorph

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Full on plagiarism and you think being locked out of steam is too heavy? If you were caught doing this at university you'd be banned from graduating. There are many cases in the real world where you get charged thousands of dollars for this sort of willful infringement. I think he got off lightly really.
 

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Mr.Mattress said:
Wait, Dota 2 isn't even officially out yet, at least not according to everything I'm hearing. How can 25,000 people have it if most people can't have it yet? I don't understand...
"Closed beta" in this case is code for "request to get in, wait a couple of months, and start playing."

OT: Yeah, the steam ban is a bit much for this. It's another example of why digital distribution really bothers me, because this can happen at any time. Even the DRM free services like GoG can take away your access to games you've paid for but don't currently have installed, because you're counting on their servers to store them for you until you want to play them again. It's just not good for consumers.
 

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Full on plagiarism and you think being locked out of steam is too heavy?
Considering the user just lost their entire gaming library, yes I think there's a case to be made for that position. I'm not sure I agree with it, but there's definitely some sound arguments to be made about it.
 

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Steam looks bad because we see our worst nightmare come into fruition. The Steam Ban-hammer is almighty, let all fear its devastating swing
 

Nalgas D. Lemur

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
Even the DRM free services like GoG can take away your access to games you've paid for but don't currently have installed, because you're counting on their servers to store them for you until you want to play them again. It's just not good for consumers.
...unless you have a little sense and save a copy of the installer somewhere as a precaution. There's no authentication or anything because they really do have no DRM (same with some other stuff, like the Humble Bundles), so just throw the installer on your backup drive or a DVD and you're good to go pretty much indefinitely. I do trust and hope they will keep the things I've purchased available for me, but just in case I have my own copy of them too.
 

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I think a Steam Ban is reasonable if the person was actually making money off of a copyrighted weapon from a game in Beta. It'd be like if I was stealing games from a videogame store before it's grand opening, and re-selling them to another store like EBgames for a marked down value.
Now I KNOW someone is gonna complain about my comparison, but the basic idea is that stealing someone else's content and re-selling or publishing it is wrong. Especially if you're making a profit off of the content.

If I did what I said in my example, EBgames would ban me for life and I'd be sued for theft. So this guy getting banned from Steam is a SMALL punishment and is quite lucky when you consider that he could've been Sued by Steam and the makers of DOTA 2 for copyright infringement and making a profit off of the stolen content.
 

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CriticKitten said:
Andy Chalk said:
I don't know how much money the guy made off the mace (and will thus lose) but the part that really stings is the ban from Steam, which means the loss of all the games in his library. I would never condone plagiarism, but that's an awfully harsh punishment and one that I don't think necessarily speaks well of Steam. Transgressions must be punished, but stripping someone of games he's rightfully paid for is a little too heavy-handed for my liking.
Um, how does it not speak well of Steam? It shows that Steam will ban you if you violate their Terms of Service and open them up to potential legal liability and/or lawsuits. That's an admirable trait, not one deserving of scorn.

It's also actually pretty common policy. I know of at least one or two companies that have open suggestions submissions for their games....and they will ban you from their forums entirely (and sometimes from the game as well if the incident is bad enough) if you present suggestions for game content that infringe on the copyrights of others, whether art or otherwise. The obvious reason being that it opens the company up to a lawsuit. Most companies that employ an individual who violates another company's copyright will be quick to fire that employee to free themselves from liability. It's not unusual at all.

So no, I don't think it's heavy-handed in the slightest. If you're stupid enough to steal someone else's work, pose it as your own, and then attempt to make money off of it using Steam's marketplace, you deserve the strictest of penalties. You're breaking Steam's Terms of Service, and you deserve to be punished for that. You can whine about how it's heavy-handed all you like, but I'll bet you he learned his lesson and won't do it again.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind. You infringe on someone's intellectual property, your property gets stolen. Makes perfect sense. And that's what "banning" someone from a single player game does. Software is a product, not a service. EULAs are nothing but shiny baubles for overpaid lawyers to dangle in front of aging judges.
 

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Nalgas D. Lemur said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Even the DRM free services like GoG can take away your access to games you've paid for but don't currently have installed, because you're counting on their servers to store them for you until you want to play them again. It's just not good for consumers.
...unless you have a little sense and save a copy of the installer somewhere as a precaution. There's no authentication or anything because they really do have no DRM (same with some other stuff, like the Humble Bundles), so just throw the installer on your backup drive or a DVD and you're good to go pretty much indefinitely. I do trust and hope they will keep the things I've purchased available for me, but just in case I have my own copy of them too.

This is true, but it defeats the purpose of cloud storage -- large game libraries take up a /lot/ of memory. I think it's a good idea to keep backups, but I also think that most people aren't going to bother, either due to lack of storage, or pure laziness. And then somewhere down the road, a lot of them are going to get bitten in the butt for trusting a company to do the right thing.
 

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Wonderful, glad to know me not supporting steam anymore is valid. He does something as small as this and gets banned for it and loses access to all the games he paid for.

EDIT: 14 quotes lulz. More pl0x
 

Fr]anc[is

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Hold on, not only does DOTA2 have crates, they're already selling keys for them. And the game isn't even out yet. Damn it Valve just cut the nonsense and just ask for money.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I don't think a steam ban means a ban from your games, just the multiplayer portion of ones that use steam match making.
 

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Stormz said:
Wonderful, glad to know me not supporting steam anymore is valid. He does something as small as this and gets banned for it and loses access to all the games he paid for.

Small? He stole another person/company's Intellectual Property and passed it off as his own for SALE in a different game product. That's not small, that's HUGE! He deserved his ban.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
CriticKitten said:
Andy Chalk said:
I don't know how much money the guy made off the mace (and will thus lose) but the part that really stings is the ban from Steam, which means the loss of all the games in his library. I would never condone plagiarism, but that's an awfully harsh punishment and one that I don't think necessarily speaks well of Steam. Transgressions must be punished, but stripping someone of games he's rightfully paid for is a little too heavy-handed for my liking.
Um, how does it not speak well of Steam? It shows that Steam will ban you if you violate their Terms of Service and open them up to potential legal liability and/or lawsuits. That's an admirable trait, not one deserving of scorn.

It's also actually pretty common policy. I know of at least one or two companies that have open suggestions submissions for their games....and they will ban you from their forums entirely (and sometimes from the game as well if the incident is bad enough) if you present suggestions for game content that infringe on the copyrights of others, whether art or otherwise. The obvious reason being that it opens the company up to a lawsuit. Most companies that employ an individual who violates another company's copyright will be quick to fire that employee to free themselves from liability. It's not unusual at all.

So no, I don't think it's heavy-handed in the slightest. If you're stupid enough to steal someone else's work, pose it as your own, and then attempt to make money off of it using Steam's marketplace, you deserve the strictest of penalties. You're breaking Steam's Terms of Service, and you deserve to be punished for that. You can whine about how it's heavy-handed all you like, but I'll bet you he learned his lesson and won't do it again.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind. You infringe on someone's intellectual property, your property gets stolen. Makes perfect sense. And that's what "banning" someone from a single player game does. Software is a product, not a service. EULAs are nothing but shiny baubles for overpaid lawyers to dangle in front of aging judges.
An eye for an eye may make the world go blind, but standing around letting guys stab you in the eye unpunished is a much stupider option. What else could valve have done? Sure they could have just taken the money back, but that doesn't punish anything, it just sets the things back to how he started. He deserves some actual punishment for doing this. Think about all the people who bought that axe because they thought it looked cool, now they're left with some random replacement, that's hardly fair.

As an aside, could news reporters on the escapist please keep their opinions out of news articles? I'm not saying you can't have them, just maybe leave them as a comment or something? I rather think news reporting should be done as bias free as possible, and shouldn't tell us what to think.
 

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I'm seeing a lot of people who seem to think banning from steam is too extreme. I disagree.

I work at a small privately owned copy place (like a local kinkos)and i have to deal with people who have come to me to reproduce copy written material, or set up a document using obviously plagiarized text. If i were to do these things, first i would be fired, then every one else working at this copy shop would be let go when the government slapped the business with a massive fine, let alone being sued by the original owner of the content. Even something as small as a single image from an out of print calendar could be as much as 50,000 dollars in fines. After explaining these things to the would be customer, i usually get some passive agressive remark like "well maybe if i took my money to kinko's", but some times the person just gets belligerent.

I can only imagine the man hours that had to go into removing all the hammers, handling all the irate customer service calls, contacting the Aion lawyers...ect. The person who created and submitted that hammer directly broke the contract that he had with valve, and they have the right to deny him service. The steam user agreement expressly states that steam is a service, not a property, and that the games on your profile are leased, not owned. If anything this guy, who obviously knew where the mace was from, should be legally forced to pay the salaries of the valve team that cleaned up his mess with out the fines and lawsuits normally associated with this level of offense.
 

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Deathfish15 said:
Stormz said:
Wonderful, glad to know me not supporting steam anymore is valid. He does something as small as this and gets banned for it and loses access to all the games he paid for.

Small? He stole another person/company's Intellectual Property and passed it off as his own for SALE in a different game product. That's not small, that's HUGE! He deserved his ban.
Yeah and he spent who knows how much off games on Steam. Ban him from ever playing the game again and prevent him from making money off the item , but losing 1000s of dollars worth of games is not fair. I'm never replacing my discs if getting banned is this easy.