Xbox Founder Tears Into 360 Design

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Xbox Founder Tears Into 360 Design


Nat Brown calls out Microsoft for lazy design decisions.

The various iterations of the Xbox 360's dashboard have received harsh words from gamers, but consumers are not the only ones who tend to dislike them. Nat Brown, one of the founders of the original Xbox project, doesn't like the interface design decisions either; in fact, he hates them outright. According to Brown, Microsoft's interface has become lazy, bloated, and insistent on highlighting all the wrong kinds of content. He believes that a large part of the 360's success has been due to luck and bad business decisions by its competitors.

Brown compiles a laundry list of the 360's shortcomings: "Coasting on past momentum. Failing to innovate and failing to capitalize on innovations like Kinect. Touting strategic and market success when you're just experiencing your competitor's stumbling failure (yes, Sony, Nintendo - you are, I'm afraid, stumbling failures)." In particular, Brown takes issue with the roundabout, inefficient way Microsoft has pursued contracts with other media companies. The 360 was always supposed to be a multimedia machine, he insists, but a fragmented marketplace and inconsistent selection hamstrung it. "Microsoft has jumped its own shark and is out stomping through the weeds planning and talking about far-flung future strategies in interactive television and original programming partnerships with big dying media companies when their core product, their home town is on fire."

While Brown has some choice words for the 360's hostility to indie developers (it could cost more than $10,000 to publish a game that cost $100 to develop, he argues), he reserves most of his ire for the dashboard and interface. "The device OS and almost the entire user experience outside the first two levels of the dashboard are creaky, slow, and full-of-shit," he says. The constant update downloads and storage device selections are obtuse, especially for children, and even navigating your way to a game can be hazardous. "You don't turn on your Xbox to play a game quickly - it takes multiple minutes to load, flow through its splash screens," explains Brown, making watching movies or listening to music on the system more attractive by comparison.

While Brown believes that the Xbox is still in a position of strength compared to Sony and Nintendo, it has nothing to do with Microsoft's business acumen. "I have heard people still there arguing that the transition of the brand from hardcore gamers to casual users and TV-uses (sic) was an intentional and crafted success. It was not. It was an accident of circumstance that Microsoft is neither leveraging nor in control of." These are damning words coming from one of the men who brought Xbox, both as a device and as a brand, into existence. Is his criticism off-target, or does Microsoft still have a ways to go in the interface and usability departments?

Source: ILIKE.CODE [http://ilikecode.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/stupid-stupid-xbox/]

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Erttheking

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Wait his problems with the 360 include not capitalizing on Kinect? I don't think we're on the same page.
 

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I agree with absolutely everything this man has said. (Minus the kinect since I don't give a shit about it.)

Without going off on a rant about every single problem I have with the 360, it's good to know the 'Originator' of the Xbox has the same complaints I do.
 

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erttheking said:
Wait his problems with the 360 include not capitalizing on Kinect? I don't think we're on the same page.
I don't know about you, but I only know one person who bothered buying a Kinect, and they only used it twice.

When he says they didn't capitalize, he dosn't mean they didn't try ramming it down our throats.
 

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I agree with pretty much all he says. The 360 is such a cluttered mess that it's insulting to people who want to use it to play video games. They seem to have turned it into a machine for which playing games is a side-note, rather than the sole reason for its existence.
 

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He's right, the 360's success is largely due to Sony's massive failures during the early days of the PS3 and 360's life cycle. Sony were late and overpriced so Microsoft lapped up the market share, same happened with Nintendo who failed to capitalise effectively on the wii and agrner third party support.

Microsoft didn't make an appealing product, it's just that others fucked up around them enough for them to get the foot in the door, and people now feel stuck with their Xbox because thats what their games are on and it's where their friends are. Next generation could see a big shift if Sony doesn't fuck up (it probably will.).
 

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bazaalmon said:
I agree with pretty much all he says. The 360 is such a cluttered mess that it's insulting to people who want to use it to play video games. They seem to have turned it into a machine for which playing games is a side-note, rather than the sole reason for its existence.
It's a multimedia machine, not solely for games, but that's beside the point. He's simply saying the OS is universally shit.
 

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I own a 360 and even I agree with this. I miss the old blade interface, before they replaced it with this fucking 2D bullshit on a 3D planes interface. I miss the days before the stupid avatars, when everything was simpler and more streamlined, and not clogged with shit I never use.
 

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I agree with this guy completely! I've owned my 360 since its first year (nearly launch) But over the past couple of years, I've been griping about pretty much everything he mentions here, constantly wondering "have they forgotten about games, or just don't care anymore?"
 

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This guy knows what's up.

Man... the previous console gen was such a clusterfuck, wasn't it? I'm kind of going to miss it actually.
 

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That cat looks like it's gonna murder him.

Dumbfish1 said:
When he says they didn't capitalize, he dosn't mean they didn't try ramming it down our throats.
Or he could mean that they simply didn't market it viably, but I do often make the mistake of speaking reasonably in the face of blind rage.
 

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Heh, MS is same on the PC front. Pushing GFWL down our throat to stay relevant in the sector of the PC market that isn't the OS, porting Halo 2 to Vista 5 years later to entice gamers, trying to push down their touch interface on desktop users in Windows 8, etc. MS are a bunch of bumbling fools that can afford to throw so much shit on the wall that something always sticks.
 

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Whilst I admit, the dash has major problems (hey guys lets play a game and lets make it so to play that game you need to click something the size of a pin head) I am more concerned with the lack of anything fun on the system. I bought the xbox originally to play castle crashers, Halo 3 and Banjo kazooie with my mates. That was about 5 years ago now.

But thinking back to say 2012, there hasn't been anything of that flavour of explosive brilliance released on the console. And the PS3 has turned my head more than a few times with say Journey and Ni No Kuni and a large chunk of the old xbox exclusives being re-released for it.

What I do know going into next generation is I am getting a Wii U, becuase you know, nintendo makes games like no other. But will I get the next xbox? Frankly, if they don't release games to play on it that are equal parts fun and innovative why should I?
 

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Nintendo and Sony a failure? Eh, opinions are opinions, but at least they have exclusives that aren't specifically for the FPS crowd, and the FPS crowd only. At this late stage of the console cylce, where every game released seems to be too big for a single 360 DVD, why wouldn't I just play them on a system where I don't have to swap discs.

Complain about the hardware all you want, the real problems/solutions are in the games the hardware lets you play.

Little Duck said:
Whilst I admit, the dash has major problems (hey guys lets play a game and lets make it so to play that game you need to click something the size of a pin head) I am more concerned with the lack of anything fun on the system. I bought the xbox originally to play castle crashers, Halo 3 and Banjo kazooie with my mates. That was about 5 years ago now.

But thinking back to say 2012, there hasn't been anything of that flavour of explosive brilliance released on the console. And the PS3 has turned my head more than a few times.

What I do know going into next generation is I am getting a Wii U, becuase you know, nintendo makes games like no other. But will I get the next xbox? Frankly, if they don't release games to play on it that are equal parts fun and innovative why should I?
Precisely.
 

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Anyone else notice how much bad press MS has been getting since that Sony Feb 20 announcement?
 

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Fappy said:
This guy knows what's up.

Man... the previous console gen was such a clusterfuck, wasn't it? I'm kind of going to miss it actually.
If it wasn't for the massive rise in the popularity of the "bro-shooter" I really wonder if the industry would have grown this console generation. If we thought this generation was a clusterfuck, I can pretty safely say the next one is going to be far worse. The bad decisions made this gen haven't seen enough negative repercussions to tell these companies to stop doing more of the same. If anything, the general tone of complacency we see from gamers has probably motivated them to do more extreme things.
 

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So true. The Micro$oft way is "hey there is a minor problem here what should we do about it?" the reply is always "OH CRAP!!!! CHANGE EVERYTHING!!!! MOVE IT ALL AROUND AND MAKE THE BUTTONS BIGGER!!!!!!!! WAIT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH CRASH THE SERVERS! BURN AN ANIMAL IN THE PARKING LOT!!!!!!!"
 

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I'm glad there is someone on the inside as disappointed in the 360 as I am. When will Microsoft learn how to not screw things up?

It's true I got a 360 because the PS3 wasn't very appealing, especially for it's price. But in recent times my 360 has just gathered dust.

I don't think I'll be getting the new Xbox. At least not for full price.