But then the episode would only be 2 minutes long, just some weird bit about Saturn's moon, where it rains methane. This btw would be something I would not have mentioned out loud, because while all that fuel would be a great financial incentive to fund space travel, it would ruin whatever environment it was used on.Tanis said:I've really enjoyed the past two episodes myself.
I wonder of Oklahoma edited the second episode, like they did the first, to remove evolution.
XD
DidTanis said:I've really enjoyed the past two episodes myself.
I wonder of Oklahoma edited the second episode, like they did the first, to remove evolution.
XD
Translation: Dude got roasted because he really was a heretic and not because of his science.UncleAsriel said:I like what I saw of episode 1 - nice review of Cosmological basics, peppered with De Grasse's cool, classy demeanour.
However, I thought the bits on Monk Bruno were overly simplistic and took up more of the narrative than necessary. The monk wasn't just challenging the church's theoretical and philosophical infrastructure. He was also challenging the church's political and organizational structures, as well as fundamental doctrines which weren't merely factual matters but important philosophical underpinnings of Catholicism.(Denying Christ's divinity, embracing Heremtic mysticism, and the like aren't scientifically rooted beliefs and were just a flavor of woo-woo which fit his personal tastes)
It was less "he was the brave innovated who uncovered had the Truth and it was suppressed by an " and more "he was a problematic radical who consistently pissed off institutions of power." I found it mischaracterized the past by simplifying the past. James Burke's The Day the Universe Changed took a much more nuanced look at the role of the Church in Medieval society, and it gives a much more sophisticated take on the past. (The TV Series and book were both excellent reconstructions of how the Church's worldview was constructed.)
TL;DR, this bit on Monk Bruno took too long and it's narrative of "virtuous Truth-seeker being brutally suppressed by Institution thought-police" was simplistic and incorrect.
(It begins! The great rant-storm of our time!)
Now I feel much better about his eight years of imprisonment and execution.seiler88 said:Translation: Dude got roasted because he really was a heretic and not because of his science.UncleAsriel said:I like what I saw of episode 1 - nice review of Cosmological basics, peppered with De Grasse's cool, classy demeanour.
However, I thought the bits on Monk Bruno were overly simplistic and took up more of the narrative than necessary. The monk wasn't just challenging the church's theoretical and philosophical infrastructure. He was also challenging the church's political and organizational structures, as well as fundamental doctrines which weren't merely factual matters but important philosophical underpinnings of Catholicism.(Denying Christ's divinity, embracing Heremtic mysticism, and the like aren't scientifically rooted beliefs and were just a flavor of woo-woo which fit his personal tastes)
It was less "he was the brave innovated who uncovered had the Truth and it was suppressed by an " and more "he was a problematic radical who consistently pissed off institutions of power." I found it mischaracterized the past by simplifying the past. James Burke's The Day the Universe Changed took a much more nuanced look at the role of the Church in Medieval society, and it gives a much more sophisticated take on the past. (The TV Series and book were both excellent reconstructions of how the Church's worldview was constructed.)
TL;DR, this bit on Monk Bruno took too long and it's narrative of "virtuous Truth-seeker being brutally suppressed by Institution thought-police" was simplistic and incorrect.
(It begins! The great rant-storm of our time!)
Protip: Science is not heresy. You have to comment directly on God to be a heretic.
That, in turn, is a somewhat simplistic view as well. While Bruno's disagreements with church did extend farther than just science, keep in mind that Joan of Arc was also burned at the stake for "heresy". While that may have been technically true under their interpretation, everyone knows Joan of Arc was not executed because of "heresy". In the show it mentions that if Bruno's version of the truth was real, regardless of matters relating to divinity, it would be a fairly big black eye to the church. The Copernican theories relating to the Earth revolving around the sun were threatening, but not as threatening as the idea of an infinite universe where (gasp!) Earth/humans might not be that special.UncleAsriel said:I like what I saw of episode 1 - nice review of Cosmological basics, peppered with De Grasse's cool, classy demeanour.
However, I thought the bits on Monk Bruno were overly simplistic and took up more of the narrative than necessary. The monk wasn't just challenging the church's theoretical and philosophical infrastructure. He was also challenging the church's political and organizational structures, as well as fundamental doctrines which weren't merely factual matters but important philosophical underpinnings of Catholicism.(Denying Christ's divinity, embracing Heremtic mysticism, and the like aren't scientifically rooted beliefs and were just a flavor of woo-woo which fit his personal tastes)
It was less "he was the brave innovated who uncovered had the Truth and it was suppressed by an " and more "he was a problematic radical who consistently pissed off institutions of power." I found it mischaracterized the past by simplifying the past. James Burke's The Day the Universe Changed took a much more nuanced look at the role of the Church in Medieval society, and it gives a much more sophisticated take on the past. (The TV Series and book were both excellent reconstructions of how the Church's worldview was constructed.)
TL;DR, this bit on Monk Bruno took too long and it's narrative of "virtuous Truth-seeker being brutally suppressed by Institution thought-police" was simplistic and incorrect.
(It begins! The great rant-storm of our time!)