Evolve Community Mgr Fired After Tweet on Donald Sterling - Update

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Evolve Community Mgr Fired After Tweet on Donald Sterling - Update



Acknowledging it as an unpopular opinion, Turtle Rock's Josh Olin calls the banned owner of the Los Angeles Clippers a victim.

Update: Turtle Rock Studios has apparently removed Olin from his position as community manager as a result of his statement. "The comments made by our former community manager stand in stark contrast to our values as a game development studio," the studio tweeted [https://twitter.com/TurtleRock/status/461985205323317248] earlier this evening. "We sincerely apologize for his remarks and in no way endorse or support those views."

In his own follow-up tweets [https://twitter.com/JD_2020] posted after he was removed, Olin wrote, "I'll remind you, my remarks were in condemnation of sensational media, and support of one's privacy. Not in support of Sterling's actions... Final thoughts: I believe in racial equality & do not endorse bigotry in any way. I also believe in free speech and decry sensational media."

Original story:

Anyone who follows sports, especially NBA basketball, has been aware of the bigoted utterances of Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, and the subsequent lifetime ban from the game by NBA Commissioner Adam Silver. However, the topic is far from dead, and at least one member of the game community has publicly come out to defend the man as a "victim."

Josh Olin is manager of the community and eSports team at developer Turtle Rock, which is making the sci-fi shooter Evolve. What makes this interesting is that his tweet [https://twitter.com/JD_2020/status/461613922370351104] is so out of bounds from the video game business (unless it was an NBA sports game), and a topic one would probably not expect to see from someone that deals with the community on a regular basis.

Olin's comments of Sterling as a victim seem to stem from the recording of the Clippers' owner's comments in the supposed privacy of his home. Forget for a moment that Olin is commenting on Sterling at all, but just a controversial topic outside the scope of his official duties. That seems to be a borderline issue between Olin and Turtle Rock, and any HR policies the company may have on such public comments.

Now, bring in the context of Sterling and his bigotry and Olin's perceived defense of the man, and Turtle Rock may be facing an issue similar to the NBA. The tweet, as of this posting, has been retweeted 25 times, and Olin has more than 142,000 followers. Of course, this is Olin's personal account, not a Turtle Rock one, but again, as the NBA showed, if personal feelings spoken in your home can get you banned for life, is there any difference of a public comment from your private account?

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion as part of the First Amendment, but at what point does that freedom of speech become a PR nightmare for the company said individual works for? The First Amendment allows you to say whatever you want without fear of arrest, but it does not guarantee you exemption from the ramifications those comments may bring from employers or other associations.

While I see (but don't agree with) Olin's point of view, and at the same time abhor Sterling's bigotry, the tweet poses an interesting dilemma worth following.




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Church185

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Cool, it looks like I have one less game to buy!

It's his right to be an old bigot, but it's my right to not support anyone who roots for him.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of speech without consequence. The NBA isn't the government, they can do as they please.
 

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John Keefer said:
Everyone is entitled to express their opinion as part of the First Amendment, but at what point does that freedom of speech become a PR nightmare for the company said individual works for? The First Amendment allows you to say whatever you want without fear of arrest, but it does not guarantee you exemption from the ramifications those comments may bring from employers or other associations.
Pretty much this. People like to forget that the First Amendment only applies to government policy, and has jack to do with the private sector.

You're welcome to whatever opinions you wish, but Freedom of Speech isn't a bulletproof shield against criticism, it just means you can't be incarcerated for them.
 

CriticalMiss

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I forsee a lot of people suddenly deciding to not buy Evolve and a certain tweet possibly being removed quietly.
 

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Except Sterling was also abusive on court and to his own players. Not to mention his actions reflect poorly on the NBA as a whole, this isn't an old skeleton in the closet like the Firefox debacle he was pulling shit while still being associated with them and thus makes them look bad.

Also, weird thing to bring up as a PR guy.
 
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he's an old bigot, but I think the majority of us would be a hypocrite in some way if all of our private emails/texts/verbal conversations were recorded and one of the horrible highlights of them all made it into public scope. I'm not defending the guy, but the backlash that hit THIS and didn't hit many other things shows a massive inconsistency on what's punishable and what's okay.

If anything he should be getting exposed over what he did with his rental properties, now THAT was some targeted long term racial issues that I do have a problem with.


I find it perfectly okay that other teams refuse to play the clippers and if the NBA kicks him out, but he still owns the team and the property, so forcing him to sell is....ehhhh, it's not vibing with me well.
 

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Yes, it's his home. He can do what he wants in it. Cook meth, have sex with yeast-based products, plot to burn down the White House, whatever. It's when his bullshit is spouted all over the internert intentional or not, when it becomes a problem, because it's there for everyone to see.

Looks like Evolve, which I was kind of interested in, won't be played by me ever. Oh well, back to my cave.
 

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Phrozenflame500 said:
Except Sterling was also abusive on court and to his own players.
He apparently took women to look at the 'beautiful black bodies' of his players while they were showering, so you can through in sexual harassment as well. And lets not forget multiple tenants of his filing (and winning) lawsuits against him for using racial slurs and not following through lease agreements because the were black. So he wasn't being just a bigot at his home.
 

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I wonder if Mr. Olin will be the next "victim" here. As has been said many, many times, he sure does have the right be be an old bigot in his own home, and the NBA has the right to not associate with him for being one. Victim my ass. You don't get to shout about Sterling's freedom without recognizing the NBA's freedom.
 

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I see his point. I'm sure everyone has said something that is radically inappropriate in private. Sterling should have been blasted in the past for his bigoted actions not cause TMZ got a tape(that may have been illegally made depending on state law's regarding consent) and published it.
 

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Church185 said:
Cool, it looks like I have one less game to buy!

It's his right to be an old bigot, but it's my right to not support anyone who roots for him.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of speech without consequence. The NBA isn't the government, they can do as they please.
Sure, the choice to not support someone with views we disagree with is just as good. But I don't think that's what they're saying. This man is being banned from sporting events and other places because of those personal views. It is directly contrary to the freedom of speech.

This is another one of those "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend with my life your right to say it" scenarios. Racist ass or not, the correct response to someone expressing unpopular views is not to ban him from events or demand he lose/sell his business. For you and me, it means not supporting anything he touches. But to demand his speech not be free flies in the face of basic human rights.

I'm sorry, but he is a victim here. He is a racist bigot too. It's just that the two things are not mutually exclusive. We have a lot of old racist people. They grew up in a time where they were taught these awful things by their parents and teachers and this is the result of society's programming. These people will go away and our generation will take it's place. No doubt with our own problems too.
 

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If the... let's just say, less than modest pictures and words on peoples' Facebook profiles can get someone fired or prevent them from finding work should the employer choose to look up the person in question, why shouldn't a known bigot and racist get a few pegs knocked down from him?

And I can't think of anyone other than another racist and/or bigot who would support and defend a known racist/bigot. Well, other than a defense attorney. I would not be surprised if more people disassociated themselves from Olin.
 

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Lightknight said:
Sure, the choice to not support someone with views we disagree with is just as good. But I don't think that's what they're saying. This man is being banned from sporting events and other places because of those personal views. It is directly contrary to the freedom of speech.

This is another one of those "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend with my life your right to say it" scenarios. Racist ass or not, the correct response to someone expressing unpopular views is not to ban him from events or demand he lose/sell his business. For you and me, it means not supporting anything he touches. But to demand his speech not be free flies in the face of basic human rights.

I'm sorry, but he is a victim here. He is a racist bigot too. It's just that the two things are not mutually exclusive. We have a lot of old racist people. They grew up in a time where they were taught these awful things by their parents and teachers and this is the result of society's programming. These people will go away and our generation will take it's place. No doubt with our own problems too.
The NBA isn't the government, they have a right to ban him from their games and property for whatever reason they see fit. Making them look bad by being racist while they makes tons of money off the backs of (mostly) black athletes is probably a pretty good reason in their book. According to the NBAs constitution, if 75% of the owners want him to sell his team, he will be forced to. He signed contracts and has known about this since the beginning.

This case literally has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment because it is out of the governments hands.
 

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Looking through this thread and seeing all these people swearing off buying the game... you guys are the definition of petty.

Just because one guy out of the HUNDREDS associated with the game, somebody who doesn't even WORK ON the game but manages its forums and community plays devil advocate, you are going to punish the entire group, developer and publisher? Granted in the end your handful of purchases won't amount to much damage, but seriously? How would you feel if someone recorded something you said or did in the privacy of your home and publicized it for the world to see? Would you want the world at large to know the kind of porn you look at? Or something else equally embarrassing?

Yeah, the guy is a bigot and an ass. I don't care who you are, you should pay respect to Magic Johnson. But he said these things in the privacy of his own home, not on national TV or radio and it would have never reached the attention of the public if the recording had not been leaked. We've all got skeletons in the closet we'd rather others didn't know about.
 

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Yes, he has a right to be a bigot in the security of his own home.

Right now, he is being a bigot in the security of his own home.

Therefore, his righ have not been infringed. Yay!
 

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Josh... Josh Josh Josh.
You realize that this guy has been actually putting his racism into his actions right? He has a long history of doing this and has just now hit critical mass of recognition in the nation.

Also, you ran up against a generational divide. If you didn't notice, most people younger than you considers it better to shut up your racist uncle than to just smile and avoid him. This is also known as: your audience.


So yah. Want to try that again?
 

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Pickapok said:
Looking through this thread and seeing all these people swearing off buying the game... you guys are the definition of petty.

Just because one guy out of the HUNDREDS associated with the game, somebody who doesn't even WORK ON the game but manages its forums and community plays devil advocate, you are going to punish the entire group, developer and publisher? Granted in the end your handful of purchases won't amount to much damage, but seriously? How would you feel if someone recorded something you said or did in the privacy of your home and publicized it for the world to see? Would you want the world at large to know the kind of porn you look at? Or something else equally embarrassing?
But this is the nature of game press. We identify someone who says something, completely unrelated to games, and identify them with their company and that company's game to generate some kind of weird connection between the two. This whole article represents a side of gaming press I wish would go away.

Talk about "victimizing." An entire creative team's reputation shouldn't have to suffer because of the misguided political views of one member.
 

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Lightknight said:
I'm sorry, but he is a victim here.
He's been a known racist for a long time. Here's an excerpt from his Wikipedia page:

In February 2009, Sterling was sued by former longtime Clippers executive Elgin Baylor for employment discrimination on the basis of age and race. The lawsuit alleges Sterling told Baylor that he wanted to fill his team with "poor black boys from the South and a white head coach". The suit alleges that during negotiations for Danny Manning, Sterling said "I'm offering a lot of money for a poor black kid." The suit noted those comments while alleging "the Caucasian head coach was given a four-year, $22-million contract", but Baylor's salary had "been frozen at a comparatively paltry $350,000 since 2003".

<url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_sterling>Source

Not to mention all the tenant-related incidents.

So it's not an outlier event - just the one to push things over the edge. And his bigotry has affected the people around him too (pay disputes, harassment). It's understandable if a private organization wants to distance itself from such a bigot.