It invokes a knee-jerk reaction, kinda like the one that's getting this called 'BEST TRAILER EV4R!'Sauvastika said:Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?
It invokes a knee-jerk reaction, kinda like the one that's getting this called 'BEST TRAILER EV4R!'Sauvastika said:Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?
That's my beef with this too. I'm well used to advertising that has only the barest connection to what it is it's trying to get you to buy, but this game won't have 1% of the emotion evoked in the trailer.The.Bard said:Which would normally be acceptable, but this trailer set expectations. We want to play the game in reverse with piano music while we cry, hacking the zombies and wiping our tears in tandem.
And I don't think that's anything even remotely close to the game we're getting.
You're calling me an idiot? You can't form a coherent sentence. If it makes me a "softy" to point out that graphic violence against children breaks one of the most basic rules, does watching a child get butchered make you "hard"? In Left 4 Dead, how many child characters are fair game for graphic violence? Zero. Do you think Valve excluded children as targets for players by accident? How many children can you virtually kill in the Grand Theft Auto series? None. Do you wonder why? Because even Rockstar, a company famous for pushing boundaries, know where to draw the line.The_Yeti said:First off, that guys an idiot to think child pornography would be legal due to child violence, thats like saying because GTA has hookers, that every combat related game involving a child character has XXX rated naughty dirty fun.Sauvastika said:Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?CaptainStupid said:Too bad this "trailer" (actually a "preview" because it precedes, rather than follows, the release of this game) crosses the line from entertainment to exploitation by graphically depicting violence against a child. In a movie or TV show, a child can fairly be the subject of a murder investigation, but they always refrain from showing that child getting strangled, or shot, or stabbed, or slaughtered like an animal and thrown out a window. Otherwise, everyone associated with the production of that movie or TV drama would be fired for exceeding the bounds of good (or bad) taste. This Dead Island preview is a prime example of going too far. The counterpoint to this cinematic mistake is Dead Rising, in which the protagonist, Chuck Green, fights to save the life of his daughter. This game achieves emotional resonance because everyone can instinctively understand a father who wants to keep his little girl safe. Although there is tension because she is under threat, the developers of Dead Risng never set her on fire, or behead her, or bludgeon her with a sledgehammer... because that would be disgusting.
And before any of you SHOUT at me that Dead Island is just a game, and that I need to learn the difference between reality and fiction, try to understand that creating fiction does not mean all rules no longer apply. If fiction means you can do anything, then video games about child pornography would be featured on the shelves of your local Wal-Mart.
It isn't exploitation against anyone thats not a softy, this guys just another OMG NOT THE CHILDREN fool, the kind that always make children unkillable i.e. all of the fable games and fallout3/NV.
semi-on topic question: Do you think kids would stop acting like such assholes if they saw first hand through a game that their not immortal or simply too precious to kill? i say yes!(there will be those few that won't of course, i.e. (every extreme sport fan / voilent IQless populous).
Again you largely over-exaggerate the situation, and resorting to base omgyoucan'thasEnglish trolling when you've lost the intellectual portion of the argument. and "hard"? so suddenly game violence can only be related to sexual pleasure? we know valve and other companies didn't make children enemies on purpose, because theirs a large number of you spineless sods that cry every time a kid made of pixels gets his candy stolen. None of them are drawing any line you simpleton, they just don't want to lose your money, and by the sound of it they got it in full Haaa.CaptainStupid said:You're calling me an idiot? You can't form a coherent sentence. If it makes me a "softy" to point out that graphic violence against children breaks one of the most basic rules, does watching a child get butchered make you "hard"? In Left 4 Dead, how many child characters are fair game for graphic violence? Zero. Do you think Valve excluded children as targets for players by accident? How many children can you virtually kill in the Grand Theft Auto series? None. Do you wonder why? Because even Rockstar, a company famous for pushing boundaries, know where to draw the line.The_Yeti said:First off, that guys an idiot to think child pornography would be legal due to child violence, thats like saying because GTA has hookers, that every combat related game involving a child character has XXX rated naughty dirty fun.Sauvastika said:Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?CaptainStupid said:Too bad this "trailer" (actually a "preview" because it precedes, rather than follows, the release of this game) crosses the line from entertainment to exploitation by graphically depicting violence against a child. In a movie or TV show, a child can fairly be the subject of a murder investigation, but they always refrain from showing that child getting strangled, or shot, or stabbed, or slaughtered like an animal and thrown out a window. Otherwise, everyone associated with the production of that movie or TV drama would be fired for exceeding the bounds of good (or bad) taste. This Dead Island preview is a prime example of going too far. The counterpoint to this cinematic mistake is Dead Rising, in which the protagonist, Chuck Green, fights to save the life of his daughter. This game achieves emotional resonance because everyone can instinctively understand a father who wants to keep his little girl safe. Although there is tension because she is under threat, the developers of Dead Risng never set her on fire, or behead her, or bludgeon her with a sledgehammer... because that would be disgusting.
And before any of you SHOUT at me that Dead Island is just a game, and that I need to learn the difference between reality and fiction, try to understand that creating fiction does not mean all rules no longer apply. If fiction means you can do anything, then video games about child pornography would be featured on the shelves of your local Wal-Mart.
It isn't exploitation against anyone thats not a softy, this guys just another OMG NOT THE CHILDREN fool, the kind that always make children unkillable i.e. all of the fable games and fallout3/NV.
semi-on topic question: Do you think kids would stop acting like such assholes if they saw first hand through a game that their not immortal or simply too precious to kill? i say yes!(there will be those few that won't of course, i.e. (every extreme sport fan / voilent IQless populous).
Your "valid" point was your afraid that if kids in videogames will be enemies = them being in rough pornos, clearly you jump without looking because you believe a gods going to deliver upon to you a fate beyond ignorance, the only personal insults were to your lack of reasoning and common sense, something anyone could grasp from your exaggerating and fear-mongering, both of which allude to your lack of cognitive functions other then ~Follow the Crowd!~CaptainStupid said:In what way have I lost the intellectual argument? I make a valid point about this video, and illustrate my case with examples. You respond with personal insults. In order for this to be an intellectual argument, you need to develop an intellect, and stop ranting like an angry virgin.The_Yeti said:Again you largely over-exaggerate the situation, and resorting to base omgyoucan'thasEnglish trolling when you've lost the intellectual portion of the argument. and "hard"? so suddenly game violence can only be related to sexual pleasure? we know valve and other companies didn't make children enemies on purpose, because theirs a large number of you spineless sods that cry every time a kid made of pixels gets his candy stolen. None of them are drawing any line you simpleton, they just don't want to lose your money, and by the sound of it they got it in full Haaa.CaptainStupid said:You're calling me an idiot? You can't form a coherent sentence. If it makes me a "softy" to point out that graphic violence against children breaks one of the most basic rules, does watching a child get butchered make you "hard"? In Left 4 Dead, how many child characters are fair game for graphic violence? Zero. Do you think Valve excluded children as targets for players by accident? How many children can you virtually kill in the Grand Theft Auto series? None. Do you wonder why? Because even Rockstar, a company famous for pushing boundaries, know where to draw the line.The_Yeti said:First off, that guys an idiot to think child pornography would be legal due to child violence, thats like saying because GTA has hookers, that every combat related game involving a child character has XXX rated naughty dirty fun.Sauvastika said:Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?CaptainStupid said:Too bad this "trailer" (actually a "preview" because it precedes, rather than follows, the release of this game) crosses the line from entertainment to exploitation by graphically depicting violence against a child. In a movie or TV show, a child can fairly be the subject of a murder investigation, but they always refrain from showing that child getting strangled, or shot, or stabbed, or slaughtered like an animal and thrown out a window. Otherwise, everyone associated with the production of that movie or TV drama would be fired for exceeding the bounds of good (or bad) taste. This Dead Island preview is a prime example of going too far. The counterpoint to this cinematic mistake is Dead Rising, in which the protagonist, Chuck Green, fights to save the life of his daughter. This game achieves emotional resonance because everyone can instinctively understand a father who wants to keep his little girl safe. Although there is tension because she is under threat, the developers of Dead Risng never set her on fire, or behead her, or bludgeon her with a sledgehammer... because that would be disgusting.
And before any of you SHOUT at me that Dead Island is just a game, and that I need to learn the difference between reality and fiction, try to understand that creating fiction does not mean all rules no longer apply. If fiction means you can do anything, then video games about child pornography would be featured on the shelves of your local Wal-Mart.
It isn't exploitation against anyone thats not a softy, this guys just another OMG NOT THE CHILDREN fool, the kind that always make children unkillable i.e. all of the fable games and fallout3/NV.
semi-on topic question: Do you think kids would stop acting like such assholes if they saw first hand through a game that their not immortal or simply too precious to kill? i say yes!(there will be those few that won't of course, i.e. (every extreme sport fan / voilent IQless populous).
Yeah, I've heard this too. One of the devs has been quoted as saying "Whoa! That ***** was huge!" while playing, correct me if I'm wrong.Jumplion said:I am extremely worried for this game. From what I've read, the actual gameplay of it it is the complete polar opposite of the trailer. One-liners, blood and guts in a hilarious fashion, headshots, all that. It's perfectly fine if a game wants to go that route, but if the developers put out a trailer like that then someone lost their heads during development.
Color me extremely, extremely cautious about this game.
But, anyway, this was a good article. Goes to show how far marketing has come in this day and age.
http://youtu.be/hrth6jhJw-Avxicepickxv said:How does one build emotional attachment to a zombie?dmase said:*cut*