303: The Ballet of Death

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Sauvastika said:
Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?
It invokes a knee-jerk reaction, kinda like the one that's getting this called 'BEST TRAILER EV4R!'
 

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When I first heard about this game I got the same thrill of anticipated excitment similar to the first time I played and finished Bioshock and The Orange Box. That gave me a way different experience than anything else up to that point.


So after what I considered a long dry spell for any new IP's with seriously mature themes and new ways of storytelling to come out I started to feel stagnated. During my zealot Dead Space 2 playthrough out of nowhere as if by miracle the sky started to open up. A flood of light came down and warmed my room, I had to shield my eyes for something was with me here. My television and all power in my house immediately went dead and I proceeded to tremble. I shielded my eyes and stood up to hear a powerful voice command itself before me in the darkness.

"Open thine eyes youth, I am not one to be feared", said the mysterious voice.

"That voice it feels so familiar. No this has happened before I cannot trust it", I proclaimed.
"Maybe just a tad peek will do no harm, just for a moment I'll see and...



"Please don't be afraid I welcome you with open arms, just stand still and..." [extends hand], explains the mysterious figure.

"Who are you and why have you come here? Why the fuck is my power out?", I asked as I feebly backed away in fear.

"Your eyes, they are not ready. I will come for you again soon, very soon", said the figure as she stepped back toward into what seemed like the sun.


There we go....much better.
 

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Which would normally be acceptable, but this trailer set expectations. We want to play the game in reverse with piano music while we cry, hacking the zombies and wiping our tears in tandem.

And I don't think that's anything even remotely close to the game we're getting.
That's my beef with this too. I'm well used to advertising that has only the barest connection to what it is it's trying to get you to buy, but this game won't have 1% of the emotion evoked in the trailer.

Unless I hear from pretty much every reviewer that this is not the case, the game gets a pass from me.
 

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The last little blurb perfectly stated my feelings toward this game. The trailer was great, I hope the game can live up to the hype and expectations.
 

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The_Yeti said:
Sauvastika said:
CaptainStupid said:
Too bad this "trailer" (actually a "preview" because it precedes, rather than follows, the release of this game) crosses the line from entertainment to exploitation by graphically depicting violence against a child. In a movie or TV show, a child can fairly be the subject of a murder investigation, but they always refrain from showing that child getting strangled, or shot, or stabbed, or slaughtered like an animal and thrown out a window. Otherwise, everyone associated with the production of that movie or TV drama would be fired for exceeding the bounds of good (or bad) taste. This Dead Island preview is a prime example of going too far. The counterpoint to this cinematic mistake is Dead Rising, in which the protagonist, Chuck Green, fights to save the life of his daughter. This game achieves emotional resonance because everyone can instinctively understand a father who wants to keep his little girl safe. Although there is tension because she is under threat, the developers of Dead Risng never set her on fire, or behead her, or bludgeon her with a sledgehammer... because that would be disgusting.

And before any of you SHOUT at me that Dead Island is just a game, and that I need to learn the difference between reality and fiction, try to understand that creating fiction does not mean all rules no longer apply. If fiction means you can do anything, then video games about child pornography would be featured on the shelves of your local Wal-Mart.
Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?
First off, that guys an idiot to think child pornography would be legal due to child violence, thats like saying because GTA has hookers, that every combat related game involving a child character has XXX rated naughty dirty fun.

It isn't exploitation against anyone thats not a softy, this guys just another OMG NOT THE CHILDREN fool, the kind that always make children unkillable i.e. all of the fable games and fallout3/NV.

semi-on topic question: Do you think kids would stop acting like such assholes if they saw first hand through a game that their not immortal or simply too precious to kill? i say yes!(there will be those few that won't of course, i.e. (every extreme sport fan / voilent IQless populous).
You're calling me an idiot? You can't form a coherent sentence. If it makes me a "softy" to point out that graphic violence against children breaks one of the most basic rules, does watching a child get butchered make you "hard"? In Left 4 Dead, how many child characters are fair game for graphic violence? Zero. Do you think Valve excluded children as targets for players by accident? How many children can you virtually kill in the Grand Theft Auto series? None. Do you wonder why? Because even Rockstar, a company famous for pushing boundaries, know where to draw the line.
 

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CaptainStupid said:
The_Yeti said:
Sauvastika said:
CaptainStupid said:
Too bad this "trailer" (actually a "preview" because it precedes, rather than follows, the release of this game) crosses the line from entertainment to exploitation by graphically depicting violence against a child. In a movie or TV show, a child can fairly be the subject of a murder investigation, but they always refrain from showing that child getting strangled, or shot, or stabbed, or slaughtered like an animal and thrown out a window. Otherwise, everyone associated with the production of that movie or TV drama would be fired for exceeding the bounds of good (or bad) taste. This Dead Island preview is a prime example of going too far. The counterpoint to this cinematic mistake is Dead Rising, in which the protagonist, Chuck Green, fights to save the life of his daughter. This game achieves emotional resonance because everyone can instinctively understand a father who wants to keep his little girl safe. Although there is tension because she is under threat, the developers of Dead Risng never set her on fire, or behead her, or bludgeon her with a sledgehammer... because that would be disgusting.

And before any of you SHOUT at me that Dead Island is just a game, and that I need to learn the difference between reality and fiction, try to understand that creating fiction does not mean all rules no longer apply. If fiction means you can do anything, then video games about child pornography would be featured on the shelves of your local Wal-Mart.
Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?
First off, that guys an idiot to think child pornography would be legal due to child violence, thats like saying because GTA has hookers, that every combat related game involving a child character has XXX rated naughty dirty fun.

It isn't exploitation against anyone thats not a softy, this guys just another OMG NOT THE CHILDREN fool, the kind that always make children unkillable i.e. all of the fable games and fallout3/NV.

semi-on topic question: Do you think kids would stop acting like such assholes if they saw first hand through a game that their not immortal or simply too precious to kill? i say yes!(there will be those few that won't of course, i.e. (every extreme sport fan / voilent IQless populous).
You're calling me an idiot? You can't form a coherent sentence. If it makes me a "softy" to point out that graphic violence against children breaks one of the most basic rules, does watching a child get butchered make you "hard"? In Left 4 Dead, how many child characters are fair game for graphic violence? Zero. Do you think Valve excluded children as targets for players by accident? How many children can you virtually kill in the Grand Theft Auto series? None. Do you wonder why? Because even Rockstar, a company famous for pushing boundaries, know where to draw the line.
Again you largely over-exaggerate the situation, and resorting to base omgyoucan'thasEnglish trolling when you've lost the intellectual portion of the argument. and "hard"? so suddenly game violence can only be related to sexual pleasure? we know valve and other companies didn't make children enemies on purpose, because theirs a large number of you spineless sods that cry every time a kid made of pixels gets his candy stolen. None of them are drawing any line you simpleton, they just don't want to lose your money, and by the sound of it they got it in full Haaa.
 

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CaptainStupid said:
The_Yeti said:
CaptainStupid said:
The_Yeti said:
Sauvastika said:
CaptainStupid said:
Too bad this "trailer" (actually a "preview" because it precedes, rather than follows, the release of this game) crosses the line from entertainment to exploitation by graphically depicting violence against a child. In a movie or TV show, a child can fairly be the subject of a murder investigation, but they always refrain from showing that child getting strangled, or shot, or stabbed, or slaughtered like an animal and thrown out a window. Otherwise, everyone associated with the production of that movie or TV drama would be fired for exceeding the bounds of good (or bad) taste. This Dead Island preview is a prime example of going too far. The counterpoint to this cinematic mistake is Dead Rising, in which the protagonist, Chuck Green, fights to save the life of his daughter. This game achieves emotional resonance because everyone can instinctively understand a father who wants to keep his little girl safe. Although there is tension because she is under threat, the developers of Dead Risng never set her on fire, or behead her, or bludgeon her with a sledgehammer... because that would be disgusting.

And before any of you SHOUT at me that Dead Island is just a game, and that I need to learn the difference between reality and fiction, try to understand that creating fiction does not mean all rules no longer apply. If fiction means you can do anything, then video games about child pornography would be featured on the shelves of your local Wal-Mart.
Why is showing violence against a child automatically "exploitation"?
First off, that guys an idiot to think child pornography would be legal due to child violence, thats like saying because GTA has hookers, that every combat related game involving a child character has XXX rated naughty dirty fun.

It isn't exploitation against anyone thats not a softy, this guys just another OMG NOT THE CHILDREN fool, the kind that always make children unkillable i.e. all of the fable games and fallout3/NV.

semi-on topic question: Do you think kids would stop acting like such assholes if they saw first hand through a game that their not immortal or simply too precious to kill? i say yes!(there will be those few that won't of course, i.e. (every extreme sport fan / voilent IQless populous).
You're calling me an idiot? You can't form a coherent sentence. If it makes me a "softy" to point out that graphic violence against children breaks one of the most basic rules, does watching a child get butchered make you "hard"? In Left 4 Dead, how many child characters are fair game for graphic violence? Zero. Do you think Valve excluded children as targets for players by accident? How many children can you virtually kill in the Grand Theft Auto series? None. Do you wonder why? Because even Rockstar, a company famous for pushing boundaries, know where to draw the line.
Again you largely over-exaggerate the situation, and resorting to base omgyoucan'thasEnglish trolling when you've lost the intellectual portion of the argument. and "hard"? so suddenly game violence can only be related to sexual pleasure? we know valve and other companies didn't make children enemies on purpose, because theirs a large number of you spineless sods that cry every time a kid made of pixels gets his candy stolen. None of them are drawing any line you simpleton, they just don't want to lose your money, and by the sound of it they got it in full Haaa.
In what way have I lost the intellectual argument? I make a valid point about this video, and illustrate my case with examples. You respond with personal insults. In order for this to be an intellectual argument, you need to develop an intellect, and stop ranting like an angry virgin.
Your "valid" point was your afraid that if kids in videogames will be enemies = them being in rough pornos, clearly you jump without looking because you believe a gods going to deliver upon to you a fate beyond ignorance, the only personal insults were to your lack of reasoning and common sense, something anyone could grasp from your exaggerating and fear-mongering, both of which allude to your lack of cognitive functions other then ~Follow the Crowd!~
 

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And to think, the actual gameplay according to the developers will be more "Boderlands with zombies" rather than "Dead Rising with island survival mechanics". Points, too, for releasing it while The Walking Dead is still fresh in everyone's minds. I just hope the awesomeness of the trailer doesn't result in too much backlash when the actual gameplay trailer comes out. Still, Final Fantasy gets away with it...
 

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I thought it was one of the best trailers ever. And yet, I still have absolutely no interest in the actual game.
 

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I dont know if I can completely agree.

Trailers need to sell the product as well, when I found out it would be more arcadey I got to admit I was a little disappointed. It could still be fun times like Left 4 Dead and Dead Rising but I was looking forward to zombie scenes that really tugged the heart strings, like when Shaun shoots his mum in Shaun of the Dead.

As for being remembered, im not a fan of Halo but those live action trailers where really good and I will always remember them as such despite how the games play out.

As for Play Boy... HAVE YOU EVER READ ONE!!! Its a fashion magazine now you'll be lucky if you catch a glimpse of nip.
 

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I am extremely worried for this game. From what I've read, the actual gameplay of it it is the complete polar opposite of the trailer. One-liners, blood and guts in a hilarious fashion, headshots, all that. It's perfectly fine if a game wants to go that route, but if the developers put out a trailer like that then someone lost their heads during development.

Color me extremely, extremely cautious about this game.

But, anyway, this was a good article. Goes to show how far marketing has come in this day and age.
Yeah, I've heard this too. One of the devs has been quoted as saying "Whoa! That ***** was huge!" while playing, correct me if I'm wrong.

It's a great and effective trailer IMO, it's just, from what I've read it has been used on the completely wrong kind of game.
 

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The game will obviously not live up to the expectations we have after the trailer. But in a sense that's good. The bigger companies get to see that something that's a bit deeper than "Call of Medals:Battlefields" can actually sell better. Don't get me wrong... i can like me some "Honorduties 5" now and then, but a game that can trigger emotions like that trailer could is something i would like to see. No film nor game have ever fucked me up more emotionally than that trailer, but i'm guessing that has a little to do with me being a father of a 9 yearold girl.
 

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The only thing I'm worried about is this; is the trailer an accurate portrayal of the game's quality or did they spend all their time working on this one ad? If the game is anywhere near that level of power and emotion... Holy shit.
 

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Thou shalt not judge a game by its trailer.

I saw this trailer and was interested in the game, I have always wanted a "The Walking Dead" of video games, where the characters are more important than the killing. I looked at the preview on IGN however, and it looks like another zombie game where the only goal is to kill. The link is: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1153496p1.html
There is nothing wrong with action games where the enemies are zombies, but it is a problem when they think that they are deeper than that.
 

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I don't have anything to say except that this trailer is AWESOME and I actually got a bit choked up the first time I saw it.

The game? I don't know shit about the game.
 

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"the trailer was widely dubbed on Twitter as 'the best videogame trailer ever,'"

*facepalm*
If this is the best video game trailer ever, then the best movie trailer ever is a minute of dancing hippos followed by the title of a "based on a true story" drama. Essentially, a trailer that doesn't show anything about the movie.
 

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Even if the game is not that good, it will probably go down in history as having the best trailer, thats somthing atleast. All inall i'm looking foreword to this game, especially since it has a focus on melee combat, which I think is sutiable for a zombie game.
 

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Wow, there is going to be a MASSIVE riot when the game is finally released ? not only will the purchasers realise too late that the little girl is nowhere in the game, but that it is also a run-of-the-mill zombie game, the offspring of a drunken one-night-stand between Left 4 Dead and... DOA Beach Volleyball? (Oh, come on, it was the first island-set game that sprung to mind. Reflects poorly on me, doesn't it?)


While the trailer is extremely effective and poignant, the final game is going to have what I like to call the 'Sweeney Todd Problem', where audiences see the trailer and flock to see the movie until they realise it wasn't what they were expecting (in the Sweeney Todd case, no-one was aware it was a Sondheim Musical until it was too late for a refund).
 

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vxicepickxv said:
dmase said:
How does one build emotional attachment to a zombie?
http://youtu.be/hrth6jhJw-A
A great gameplay suggestion: If you meet a survivor NPC and walk with them, you play with them until a meter suggests if they randomly change into a zombie, WITHOUT A CUTSCENE, just have that jerk bite you in the butt.

Also,
A more somber tone would really add to the horror of a zombie game. I try to play L4D2 and all the special infected make a ton of noise; so Human's can just say "Oh, I hear a [special] growling. Better shoot it/walk around." If you didn't hear the Tank's music before you saw it, and then all of a sudden it busts through a wall you would be 10x more scared.