360 Avatar Awards... where are they already?!

GodKlown

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I thought it was a decent idea to award avatar clothing and accessories through achievements in 360 games, but I'll be damned if there isn't just a handful of games that I have heard of that actually award these things. Maybe this is an idea that died a quietly mysterious death, but I haven't won any of these awards, and haven't heard of any games promoting the ability to unlock said awards. Did XBL give up on this project, or are devs just not playing in to creating achievements to make use of this?
Yeah, I mean the awards you get from playing games, not the avatar stuff you can get by purchasing them through XBL. Those are not even what I'm talking about. I mean the items you could get through playing a game and not having to invest Points in buying. Is it that MS saw the potential for money they could lose by not just SELLING said items through XBL Marketplace, or am I still the only one who gives a care about this idea?
 

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Blame Developers using drugs, Or Squirrels

in the Absence of Sane Reasons, a Insane Reason makes sense
 

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Have you tried Left 4 Dead 2 because i know that game has special achievements that give you extra avatar items. Other than that there isn't a game i've encountered that uses this.
 

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'Splosion Man has a t-shirt. A nice one too, but I don't own any other games apart from that and Left 4 Dead 2 that do. Bioshock 2 might? Oh I think Halo Wars or ODST do.

You could well be right about Microsoft seeing more potential in sale rather than reward. It's not that much of a deal though is it? The way I see it, the clothing is a more interesting way of getting rid of a spare 80points you have after buying an arcade game. I'm not too fussed about the lack of actual avatar awards. That is if there is a lack, there's a lot of games that I don't own, blah blah ramble ramble, I'll stop now.
 

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There's a few in Arcade titles. I think some of the House Party (Block Party for those in the US) have a few avatar awards.
 

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They're not losing money... it's just a cool way to show that you've played the game and it's a little bit better than an achievement... Unfortunately, I already own Left 4 Dead 2 on the PC and have no interest in Waypoint so I'm a bit left out. Hopefully they catch on soon.
 

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GodKlown said:
I thought it was a decent idea to award avatar clothing and accessories through achievements in 360 games, but I'll be damned if there isn't just a handful of games that I have heard of that actually award these things. Maybe this is an idea that died a quietly mysterious death, but I haven't won any of these awards, and haven't heard of any games promoting the ability to unlock said awards. Did XBL give up on this project, or are devs just not playing in to creating achievements to make use of this?
Yeah, I mean the awards you get from playing games, not the avatar stuff you can get by purchasing them through XBL. Those are not even what I'm talking about. I mean the items you could get through playing a game and not having to invest Points in buying. Is it that MS saw the potential for money they could lose by not just SELLING said items through XBL Marketplace, or am I still the only one who gives a care about this idea?
My Avatar is decked out in his L4D2 zombie hand shirt so I'm happy :) but dude thanks for bringing this up you have a great point. I don't want to have to spend 2 bucks for my AC Altair suit I want to just get like 2000 guard kills in game to get it
 

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Pigeon_Grenade said:
Blame Developers using drugs, Or Squirrels

in the Absence of Sane Reasons, a Insane Reason makes sense
Or you could go really far out and blame drug using Developer Squirrels.
 

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The only games I know that do this are L4D2, Splosion Man, Halo Waypoint, and Perfect Dark. And thats about it.

So far the only one I like is the Halo waypoint EVA helmet. It looks stylish and I'm the only person I know who has it.
 

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Halo Waypoint gives you ODST armor, a helmet and Guilty Spark.

Sadly, this isn't a game, and you don't even have to do anything for these items, so they aren't really "awards."
 

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Pigeon_Grenade said:
Blame Developers using drugs, Or Squirrels

in the Absence of Sane Reasons, a Insane Reason makes sense
I blame developers using drugged up squirrels. That's the only possible reason that marathon, lightweight and commando can be used together in MW2, since any real developer could see a problem with it from a mile away.
 

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AjimboB said:
Halo Waypoint gives you ODST armor, a helmet and Guilty Spark.

Sadly, this isn't a game, and you don't even have to do anything for these items, so they aren't really "awards."
I thought you neeeded to get specific achievements or high gamerscore in halo to get them? I only have the guilty spark.

I also have some lame Splosion Man shirts.
 

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I've not played a game with these in, nor have I heard of any games with them in. You would think games with them in would be promoting it too.
Glad I'm not alone in thinking the idea of unlockable avatar items died quietly in a dark cold corner somewhere.
 

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GodKlown said:
I thought it was a decent idea to award avatar clothing and accessories through achievements in 360 games, but I'll be damned if there isn't just a handful of games that I have heard of that actually award these things. Maybe this is an idea that died a quietly mysterious death, but I haven't won any of these awards, and haven't heard of any games promoting the ability to unlock said awards. Did XBL give up on this project, or are devs just not playing in to creating achievements to make use of this?
Yeah, I mean the awards you get from playing games, not the avatar stuff you can get by purchasing them through XBL. Those are not even what I'm talking about. I mean the items you could get through playing a game and not having to invest Points in buying. Is it that MS saw the potential for money they could lose by not just SELLING said items through XBL Marketplace, or am I still the only one who gives a care about this idea?
I have the medipac and Defibs' for my avatar from L4D2.
 

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khaimera said:
AjimboB said:
Halo Waypoint gives you ODST armor, a helmet and Guilty Spark.

Sadly, this isn't a game, and you don't even have to do anything for these items, so they aren't really "awards."
I thought you neeeded to get specific achievements or high gamerscore in halo to get them? I only have the guilty spark.

I also have some lame Splosion Man shirts.
Oh, really? I forget. I guess I already had the achievements when I got waypoint, so it just gave them to me automatically.
 

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AjimboB said:
Halo Waypoint gives you ODST armor, a helmet and Guilty Spark.

Sadly, this isn't a game, and you don't even have to do anything for these items, so they aren't really "awards."
Those awards are actually for ODST not Waypoint. (odd I know) EVA is for getting all the achievements in all the Halo games. Really the only award from Waypoint is Guilty Spark.
 

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GodKlown said:
I thought it was a decent idea to award avatar clothing and accessories through achievements in 360 games, but I'll be damned if there isn't just a handful of games that I have heard of that actually award these things. Maybe this is an idea that died a quietly mysterious death, but I haven't won any of these awards, and haven't heard of any games promoting the ability to unlock said awards. Did XBL give up on this project, or are devs just not playing in to creating achievements to make use of this?
Yeah, I mean the awards you get from playing games, not the avatar stuff you can get by purchasing them through XBL. Those are not even what I'm talking about. I mean the items you could get through playing a game and not having to invest Points in buying. Is it that MS saw the potential for money they could lose by not just SELLING said items through XBL Marketplace, or am I still the only one who gives a care about this idea?
I look at them from a hobby-game developer and I have to wonder, like one protagonist from a zombie movie I can't recall the name of as she looked over a baseball bat, "Wheres the point to that?" I mean, knowing Microsoft's XBox programming which is the developer equivalent of driving rusty blunt spikes into your skull, it seems like going through a lot of fuss for minimal gain.

Its one of those neat ideas that gets marred by terrible execution, the execution is just on the development end.
 

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I have three games that offer Avatar awards (Left 4 Dead 2, Halo Waypoint and Splosion Man) and they aren't anything special. Most of the time, they are just unnorginal articles of clothing, most of which are just simple T-shirts. The Avatar items are pretty cool though. Better then the clothing at least, but they are a pain to unlock.
 

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Left 4 Dead 2..Splosion Man..Halo Waypoint...Toy Souldiers.....Perfect Dark..and some arcade games do as well.
 

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I've got some stuff from ODST through Waypoint. I was hoping for more stuff from more games though, since I flat out refuse to pay for avatar stuff.
 

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scnj said:
I've got some stuff from ODST through Waypoint. I was hoping for more stuff from more games though, since I flat out refuse to pay for avatar stuff.
yea halo waypoint gives clothing etc depending on the achievements you have in the halo games for 360.
 

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hm I got alot of avatar awards from halo waypoint and a few other games who's names escape me right now.
oh yeah, splosion man, perfect dark.

I have a huge load of gamerpics from games and achievements.
 

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I was searching on this topic the other day and all I saw was perhaps three or four titles that actually had this feature, two of which were XBL Arcade games... which you have to shell out MS Points for anyway in order to play the games. I smell a vicious circle of XBL just eating MS Points like Pac-Man eats pellets.
Initially I was in favor the avatar awards because at least it was something to show for the work you put in towards playing a game, aside from the gamer score which doesn't really mean anything. All the consoles jumped on the avatar idea, but it doesn't seem like any of the big three are really making the avatars worthwhile. There's just a few games on XBL that make use of the avatars in games like Kingdom for Keflings. Bomberman Live says it supports the avatars, but after seeing the demo video for it yesterday I was hard-pressed to see where in the hell you were using your avatar since all the characters looked like Bomberman.

I dislike stupid achievements in games, and thought the avatar awards were a good alternative to just wasting gamer score points on an achievement for saving your profile or starting the game... just one of those small features that is highly under-used. I think I'll be writing an email over to XBL to see what the hell happened there.
 

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When they first showed up, even getting them on Splosion Man was broken for me.. but it was fixed a while back and it seems like developers are actally doing it now.
 

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The only games I've got that have the awards are Lips and Left 4 dead 2, I would love it if more devs actually used them in their games.
 

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I have only seen two games with them: Left 4 Dead 2 and 'splosion Man. And that's it...the only award i got was for downloading Halo Waypoint and getting the Oracle...

There should be more but in all fairness I usually wait until something is in the marketplace that i want that's free or is 80 points so it can soak up all the odd points left from the 2100 is get.
 

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AjimboB said:
Halo Waypoint gives you ODST armor, a helmet and Guilty Spark.

Sadly, this isn't a game, and you don't even have to do anything for these items, so they aren't really "awards."
AjimboB said:
khaimera said:
AjimboB said:
Halo Waypoint gives you ODST armor, a helmet and Guilty Spark.

Sadly, this isn't a game, and you don't even have to do anything for these items, so they aren't really "awards."
I thought you neeeded to get specific achievements or high gamerscore in halo to get them? I only have the guilty spark.

I also have some lame Splosion Man shirts.
Oh, really? I forget. I guess I already had the achievements when I got waypoint, so it just gave them to me automatically.
Ya you unlock all of them but the Guilty Spark from ODST.
 

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So I went ahead and dropped an email to Xbox Live to find out from the horse's mouth about what the deal is. The answer I got? They misunderstood my entire message, and somehow construed it as I couldn't use my avatar items, and the email went on at length about how to repair that problem, which wasn't what I asked at all. Typical in a way, I suppose.

Therefore, I can only guess that the avatar awards got lost in the shuffle of Microsoft focusing more on Natal than the awards, which hopefully is a better direction in which to focus on. Still, it is kinda sad that probably just the arcade games are going to feature this concept in the future. Just strange that they basically force users to use the avatars, and naturally expect them to shell out money to personalize them. The whole award system seemed like a good way to keep gamers involved in their avatar system, and at the same time be able to show their affections for their favorites games without having to spend money not only to buy said games but also to show their friends which games they really like. Capitalism wins again.

Sidebar: I plan on emailing XBL back to see if I can get them to understand what I was asking them in the first place. Short of them actually paying attention, perhaps I'm going to have to get one of them to come on my show to explain it in person. I'm not holding my breath on that backup idea working... but at least it's worth a shot. I completely expect them to just resend me the same message and ignore what I was asking them AGAIN.
 

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Pigeon_Grenade said:
Blame Developers using drugs, Or Squirrels

in the Absence of Sane Reasons, a Insane Reason makes sense
Those Squirrels again?! DIDN'T I TEACH THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS LAST TIME?!
 

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GodKlown said:
So I went ahead and dropped an email to Xbox Live to find out from the horse's mouth about what the deal is. ...
You're not going to get an answer to the question of "Why aren't enough games using your new Xbox Live feature?" by emailing Xbox Live customer support. Even if they had any idea what you're talking about, they're just customer support, they aren't going to be able to give you an answer.

The answer is quite simply that Avatar Awards is a new feature. It's unlikely that many games that were already nearing completion when it was released are going to alter their dev cycle to try to fit it in - the ones that have are the exceptions. XBLA games are on shorter development cycles, which is why they're starting to show up in new releases. You probably won't see many of the Avatar Awards showing up in major game releases for several more months.
 

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Holy crap Bobcat, finally an answer that I've been looking for. Thank you very much for the link.
Virgil, the reason I was concerned in the first place was because it has been nearly a year since this program was released, and I was surprised it wasn't used more thoroughly in newer releases. With devs creating more and more DLC for recent games, I'd have thought they might incorporate some avatar awards with the DLCs, but I've just been disappointed and I hoped others felt the same way about the issue.
Unfortunately, MS doesn't have the support I was looking for, which was why I went through their customer support. But by the fact they completely misunderstood what I was asking did not give me a sense of confidence in their support staff as they (the person I had answer my email was named Zen) did not tell me that is was the wrong avenue to explore this problem, but by the fact they didn't understand what I was asking might have had something to do with it. We shall see if/when they respond to my email from today trying to clarify the question I originally asked them. I don't think technically it was the wrong way to go to find an answer. I am a customer with an XBL account, and I was looking for an answer to support their system. Sorry if you disagree with my approach, but at the time it appeared to be the logical course of action available to me. Had you responded earlier in the week, I could have saved time by not bothering to email them in the first place, but it is a good experience to have to learn about how effective the XBL support staff is in general. This was my first attempt in contacting them about anything, and it will certainly affect any future decision I have about contacting them in the future with a more serious issue regarding their hardware/software.