PS3 Owner Gets Partial Refund for Lack of "Other OS" Option

Austin MacKenzie

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PS3 Owner Gets Partial Refund for Lack of "Other OS" Option



A user's complaint over the lack of "Other OS" option for his PS3 has earned him a 20 percent refund from Amazon.

Sony's removal of the <a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99499-Sony-Removes-Other-OS-Option-for-PS3>Other OS feature sparked some anger, but one PS3 owner decided to turn it to his advantage by getting his money back from Amazon. Citing European law, he was able to persuade Amazon that a refund was in order, an argument that may be usable by other gamers.

The gamer, who goes by the name <a href=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20573361&postcount=2059>iapetus and moderates the NeoGAF forum claimed his PlayStation 3 no longer lived up to the advertised specifications. The console, which was well out of both the warranty and the 30-day Amazon guarantee, was deemed by Amazon to be eligible for a partial refund. Under this ruling, any number of other gamers could make the same claim, which could prove quite costly.

Sony has since issued an apology about the removal of the feature, but have cited their right to revise the console's settings in order to prevent piracy.

Sony has released an official statement apologizing for the issue, but remaining firm on their right to institute the change.

"We are sorry if users of Linux or other operating systems are disappointed by our decision to issue a firmware upgrade which when installed disables this operating system feature. We have made the decision to protect the integrity of the console and whilst mindful of the impact on Linux or other operating system users we nevertheless felt it would be in the best interests of the majority of users to pursue this course of action.

'As you will be aware we have upgraded and enhanced functionality and features of the console by numerous firmware upgrades over time and this is a very rare instance where a feature will be disabled. Further enhancements are in the pipeline.

'Users do have the choice whether to install the firmware upgrade and this is clearly explained to them at the time the firmware upgrade is made available for installation. Furthermore our terms and conditions clearly state that we have the right to revise the PS3's settings and features in order to prevent access to unauthorised or pirated content,"

If more gamers jump on this legal bandwagon, things could get pretty messy. Amazon will likely defer these expenses to Sony if things get too bad, and if that is the case, Sony may have to either reinstate the Other OS feature or enter a lengthy court battle about the proceedings to resolve the issue. Sony is clear in their statement that the firmware update is a choice, but refusing the update also cripple's the PlayStation 3's online capability, so its hard to say whether that will hold water in court.

Source: PlayStation University


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Digikid

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NICE!!!!

Eat that Sony!!!! LOL!!!

this is a very rare instance where a feature will be disabled.
Bull. PS2 Emulation? Sound familiar?

I was talking about this to a co-worker. He wanted to know what console to get. I told him 360 because at least Microsoft does not have false advertising and takes away promised features at their own will.
 

Jack and Calumon

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Meh, didn't care much for Linux... so I couldn't care less...

Calumon: Wish I did...that..thing...I don't understand.
 

The Rockerfly

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As an Xbox owner, I don't see why his feature was taken away and I think it's just if the person thought they were buying a PS3 with OS features
 

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I was actually thinking of trading in my 360 for a PS3 JUST because of that option. I love throwing Linux based OS's on everything. Now, I think I'll keep my 360.
 

BehattedWanderer

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Digikid said:
NICE!!!!

Eat that Sony!!!! LOL!!!

this is a very rare instance where a feature will be disabled.
Bull. PS2 Emulation? Sound familiar?

I was talking about this to a co-worker. He wanted to know what console to get. I told him 360 because at least Microsoft does not have false advertising and takes away promised features at their own will.
They dropped PS2 emulation because it was a different set of hardware in the PS2, and it would cost about an extra $100 per system to keep in the PS2 hardware/software additions. After the second iteration, they got rid of the feature to try because it was too costly to keep. They equated it to having to put in an entirely different console, due to the differences, as they built the PS3 fresh, unlike revising and powering up the PSone, which is what they did for the PS2. It would be like asking your Gamecube to play your 64 games--you could make some serious mods to it and get it to work, but at that point you'd just be smarter to keep your N64.
 

dmase

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Wait, Amazon could deffer damages to sony? That makes no since. It was Amazon's decision to provide sony's products; I guess if amazon and sony had some type of special distribution agreement that would make sense.
 

Digikid

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BehattedWanderer said:
Digikid said:
NICE!!!!

Eat that Sony!!!! LOL!!!

this is a very rare instance where a feature will be disabled.
Bull. PS2 Emulation? Sound familiar?

I was talking about this to a co-worker. He wanted to know what console to get. I told him 360 because at least Microsoft does not have false advertising and takes away promised features at their own will.
They dropped PS2 emulation because it was a different set of hardware in the PS2, and it would cost about an extra $100 per system to keep in the PS2 hardware/software additions. After the second iteration, they got rid of the feature to try because it was too costly to keep. They equated it to having to put in an entirely different console, due to the differences, as they built the PS3 fresh, unlike revising and powering up the PSone, which is what they did for the PS2. It would be like asking your Gamecube to play your 64 games--you could make some serious mods to it and get it to work, but at that point you'd just be smarter to keep your N64.
Maybe so but the ones that HAD the PS2X Chip still inside were neutered by firmware afterwards.

Even the 80GB ones that had PS2 compatibility software had that feature removed.

Add in Sonys false advertising about there console being able to do EVERYTHING ( which it does not ) and you got a recipe for being a lawsuit target.

I get what you are saying though.
 

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I wonder if I could get money back on this. Probably not though since I got my slim ps3 for free with a phone....still though if it escalates far enough sony might start paying out
 

Bretty

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LOL 20%.... wow

Whats with installing Linux on everything? Just by a Thinkpad and move on, jebus!

Oh noes, no Linux on PS3. For shame Sony! /sarcasm
 

BehattedWanderer

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Digikid said:
BehattedWanderer said:
Digikid said:
NICE!!!!

Eat that Sony!!!! LOL!!!

this is a very rare instance where a feature will be disabled.
Bull. PS2 Emulation? Sound familiar?

I was talking about this to a co-worker. He wanted to know what console to get. I told him 360 because at least Microsoft does not have false advertising and takes away promised features at their own will.
They dropped PS2 emulation because it was a different set of hardware in the PS2, and it would cost about an extra $100 per system to keep in the PS2 hardware/software additions. After the second iteration, they got rid of the feature to try because it was too costly to keep. They equated it to having to put in an entirely different console, due to the differences, as they built the PS3 fresh, unlike revising and powering up the PSone, which is what they did for the PS2. It would be like asking your Gamecube to play your 64 games--you could make some serious mods to it and get it to work, but at that point you'd just be smarter to keep your N64.
Maybe so but the ones that HAD the PS2X Chip still inside were neutered by firmware afterwards.

Even the 80GB ones that had PS2 compatibility software had that feature removed.

Add in Sonys false advertising about there console being able to do EVERYTHING ( which it does not ) and you got a recipe for being a lawsuit target.

I get what you are saying though.
From my understanding (which is a non-profesional-but-highly-interested one), the function was ceased so that they wouldn't have to continue to build PS2-capable safeguards for the new software updates (and also so that they can continue to supply a small amount of PS2's, which still sell relatively well, apparently).

And in fairness, we know the EVERYTHING adds aren't for real. For instance, it won't survive a 6 story fall to the ground out an open window, for go swimming with you as a flotation device, both of which are nominally included in everything. That's not so much false advertising as it is hyperbole in advertising.
 

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s69-5 said:
Digikid said:
Even the 80GB ones that had PS2 compatibility software had that feature removed.
Sorry, I lied apparently.
Misinformation is a nasty thing.
I have a BC 80GB PS3. The BC function wasn't removed by any firmware that I'm aware of. I can still play my PS2 games on PS3...

Checking information is very easy in the digital age. Maybe you want to do that before you start typing?
If they did remove these functions I'm sure there would be quite a lawsuit and a LOT of people would be angry, it'd be big news and hard to miss.
 

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Blizzaga19 said:
Sony have the right to change or otherwise modify the console without prior notice
That is known as an Unconsionable Clause http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability exactly the same way as if Sony said "Buying the PS3 sells your children into slavery". Sony is taking advantage of its superior bargaining position to add provisions that are overwhelmingly in its favor.

Fortunately in the EU the consumer protection laws are more sane than in the US and corps that try this crap get slapped down occasionally.
 

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What does this mean? Was he refunded 20% of the price and got to keep his PS3? Or did he turn in his PS3 and got 20% of the price back?
 

Cid Silverwing

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Because I'm troubled enough by an immature Windows 7-computer and so not needing to install OS'es on my PS3 this isn't a problem for me.

But damnit, Sony, you've shot yourselves in the foot again.