Hearts of Iron II Becomes Teaching Tool

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Hearts of Iron II Becomes Teaching Tool



Hearts of Iron II is still fun, but now is educational, as it's being used to teach college students about WW2.

Hearts of Iron II is one of those strategy games that, if you can get past its steep learning curve, is supposed to be a great deal of fun with a ton of replay value. While the game is certainly well-regarded for its depth and realism, no one's considered the game to be an educational tool until now; a Political Science course at University of California, Los Angeles is using the game to help teach students about what led up to World War II.

The game is being facilitated by a student named Einar Engvig, who realized the game could be, "used in order to equip students with a better grasp of the Theory of Tripolarity and the general geopolitics of the world in the build up to WWII."

Students were given an introduction to the game and were then split into two-player teams. After this, each team was then given a specific nation to control and given unique objectives to accomplish through either aggression or diplomacy.

From what Engvig wrote in his course journal, it sounds like events have unfolded very differently from how they did in history:

"In terms of game specifics, the countries assigned to students were Poland, Yugoslavia, Turkey, Italy, Japan, Argentina and Brazil. Poland went on the offensive and annexed Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia as well as Czechoslovakia; this has made most students very scared of them.

"Italy has struggled in Ethiopia and has not expanded much beyond this. Yugoslavia first took Albania and then was able to take half of Bulgaria in a peace treaty after an arduous war. Although it takes at least a year for this treaty to expire, Yugoslavia simply allied itself with Turkey, and the two countries split up Bulgaria and are planning the same for Greece.

"Turkey declared war on Persia and has struggled to annex the fledgling state. Japan has kept to itself in its war with China. I have told Japan that they have the ability to turn the tables in South America. Brazil and Argentina, interestingly enough, allied with each other immediately and have annexed at least three countries one after the other.

"However, I secretly spoke with the team of Argentina and they are in a panic, as they understand that their more powerful partner Brazil can easily turn the tables on them in the future. Needless to say, Argentina is feeling abandonment/entrapment fears, an alliance dynamic we have gone over during lecture/discussion."

According to GamesIndustry.biz, student feedback to the program has been pretty positive. Some have said that the game has made history more interactive, which makes its easier to understand and remember important information about the historical period. Also, some non-gamer students have stated that they plan to keep playing Hearts of Iron II after the course ends.

Source: <a href=http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ucla-adopts-hearts-of-iron-ii-in-the-classroom>GamesIndustry.biz

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Furburt said:
The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Is HoI 3 any good?
Yes, it's probably the best of them all, but you need a really good computer (Much higher than the one it asks for in the system specs), and it's still quite glitchy. If you get past those, it's brilliant.
Huh. I'll probably have to get it then.
 

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Is HoI 3 any good?
No. It's overcomplicated (all the slider automation that was gradually added by Doomsday and Armageddon is gone, so it's all back to micromanagement hell), broken (ever seen Operation Overlord performed solo by Mexico? You can in HoI3 because the AI gets to ignore transport distance limits), inaccurate (Stalingrad is about 100 miles south of it's real location), and dull.

Get Arsenal of Democracy instead, it's Hearts of Iron 2 still, but with significant improvements to, well, just about everything.

The only thing HoI3 really does better is lines of supply.

Oh, and all the things that Hearts of Iron 3 really needs to fix it are being released in a paid for expansion. Joy.
 
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GloatingSwine said:
The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Is HoI 3 any good?
No. It's overcomplicated (all the slider automation that was gradually added by Doomsday and Armageddon is gone, so it's all back to micromanagement hell), broken (ever seen Operation Overlord performed solo by Mexico? You can in HoI3 because the AI gets to ignore transport distance limits), inaccurate (Stalingrad is about 100 miles south of it's real location), and dull.

Get Arsenal of Democracy instead, it's Hearts of Iron 2 still, but with significant improvements to, well, just about everything.

The only thing HoI3 really does better is lines of supply.

Oh, and all the things that Hearts of Iron 3 really needs to fix it are being released in a paid for expansion. Joy.
Ah. I alos saw Europa Universalis 3 and like the setting of that game and the idea of that game more. Is it good?
 

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vansau said:
Poland went on the offensive and annexed Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia as well as Czechoslovakia; this has made most students very scared of them.
Poland starts out quite strong in Hearts of Iron 2. Starting in 1936 it's actually possible for a canny player to knock Germany out pretty much right at the start.

May have been remedied in expansions which give Germany more starting units.
 

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MaxPowers666 said:
Hmmm that actually sounds pretty interesting. I think im going to have to "acquire" a copy of this game and try it out.
About a tenner on Steam or Gamersgate, even for Arsenal of Democracy. It's dead easy to get.
 

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I think this is kinda cool. I loved HoI II and played countless hours on it.

Off-topic: I have HoI III, but haven't played that much of it.
 
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Sounds a lot like what my history teacher did with my class using Civilization 4 Warlords.

Its astounding how things can turn out. And its great fun as well. Especially for me who has played Civ for a long time, and everyone else was just starting ^_^
 

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
GloatingSwine said:
The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Is HoI 3 any good?
No. It's overcomplicated (all the slider automation that was gradually added by Doomsday and Armageddon is gone, so it's all back to micromanagement hell), broken (ever seen Operation Overlord performed solo by Mexico? You can in HoI3 because the AI gets to ignore transport distance limits), inaccurate (Stalingrad is about 100 miles south of it's real location), and dull.

Get Arsenal of Democracy instead, it's Hearts of Iron 2 still, but with significant improvements to, well, just about everything.

The only thing HoI3 really does better is lines of supply.

Oh, and all the things that Hearts of Iron 3 really needs to fix it are being released in a paid for expansion. Joy.
Ah. I alos saw Europa Universalis 3 and like the setting of that game and the idea of that game more. Is it good?
Europa Universalis 3 is... ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!

Seriously, Hearts Of Iron 3 (1936-1948), Europa Universalis 3 (1399-1821) AND Victoria (1836-1920 something) taught me a lot about the world, granted, I had very little knowledge of the world before I played the games but still!