6 Frame Rate Facts You Didn't Know

dangoball

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I never cared for the FPS discussion. The theory behind it is interesting, but as someone who games on a machine that was outdated 4 years ago I'm quite happy to get constant 16 on "newer" titles (damn kids calling Oblivion old! grumble grumble). 30 is nice, 60 is nice, 20 is good enough to game. And yes, I know the difference. Occasionally I play on my brother PC and unlike mine his is a gaming machine. Sometimes it's difficult to go back to my choppy performance, so I understand why those of you used to the higher standard would consider 20 FPS borderline unplayable and 16 FPS not worthy of booting up the game.
 

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Imperioratorex Caprae said:
Really sucks that my monitor does 240hz but there isn't a driver for it so windows defaults to 60hz. Would love to see the 240hz in action.
Well unless your monitor is using some crazy ass tech that i don't know about, it probably just takes a 120hz input signal and doubles it (by showing every frame twice). Even if it needs special drivers you should be able to get 120hz out of it without any, might be another problem there, possibly you're using the wrong cable, I believe some of the older standards don't support 120.
 

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I've run into too many nut jobs who claim to be able to see a difference between 120 fps and 60 fps a decade ago on 6o hertz monitors that I see nearly all of the debate as nonsense.

What you really want is constant frame rate. If the frame rate changes chances are the input loop that is probably bound to the render loop slows down too. When that happens the game is no longer smooth. The catch is that the input loop can be running at 15 iterations per second even at the 120 fps. It's only when it changes that there is a problem.
 

J Tyran

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Aaron Sylvester said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
You guys should chat.
Eh nobody can really argue against the fact that 120-144hz feel smoother and more responsive (assuming your hardware can push those framerates). Any sane reviewer and gamer who has played on one will tell you it's an objectively better experience.

Also BenQ XL2420TE (and other 144hz panels) are quickly becoming the official standard at professional gaming leagues.
Even just the desktop is much better at those refresh rates, I have a 144hz panel and anyone uses to other PCs remarks how much faster and smoother web browsing and the window animations etc even though my PC isn't really faster at those kind of tasks. The high frame rate makes a big difference to the user experience though.

Imperioratorex Caprae said:
Really sucks that my monitor does 240hz but there isn't a driver for it so windows defaults to 60hz. Would love to see the 240hz in action.
Are you using a dedicated graphics card or an APU? Nvidia and AMD drivers support higher refresh rates than 60hz, if you are and still not getting the option in the drivers you're using the wrong cable.

You need either a displayport cable or a dual link DVI, there are several types of DVI cable and this will help you pick the right one[footnote]Heard about a lot of people that simply used any DVI cable they had without checking and not being able to activate features before[/footnote]

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I love these sorts of discussions, mostly because there isn't one answer. Even in gaming, different frame rates can apply to different situations. Strategy games don't need the same frame rate as a shooter for example.

I think the argument does need a good deal of discussion though. The whole "60fps - 1080p" argument sounds petty to some people but its surprisingly important. In a few years, 4K gaming and 4K TV will be common place and while its not as much a technical issue for movies and TV to up-scale, gaming has been slacking for some time now. In fact, those who develop game engines particularly work with visual effects to improve the current standard of visuals, with no real concern to the amount of GPU stress if the resolution was doubled. As such, games have improved visually on standards we're used to seeing a generation ago but the allowance of FPS has declined to the point where console games are being downscaled from the "standard" resolutions and take a massive frame hit. It sucks that despite 4K monitors and graphics cards becoming more affordable now, the number of things you could use with them at full detail are lacking.

That aside, the 30 FPS thing being more "cinematic" is just bollocks. You're just trying too hard to make your game look too good on the wrong hardware.
 

ryukage_sama

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Nice inclusion of gif images. This should be forwarded to Ubisoft execs. If we're lucky the revelation it causes might just be enough to make their brains explode.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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It's not a debate. 60fps is better in every single instance that involves gaming.

I struggle to understand how there even is an argument about it.
 

johnnybleu

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Nice article!

Personally, I was a console gamer all my life, so fps debates went right over my head. On console, the game runs how it runs and that's that-- you can't change any settings or options to modify that. I guess I was just used to 30fps and never put much thought into it.

However, I got into PC gaming last year and my eyes have been opened. 60fps is now my golden standard, and I can barely tolerate to play anything below 40-50fps. It just feels so slow, sluggish, and unresponsive. That said, I'm sure if I sat down and forced myself to play a game at 30fps, I'd probably get used to it again, but it would be hard. And with Bloodborne coming to PS4 next year, I might have to do just that...
 

Denamic

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Telling your audience they don't know these things is pretty condescending. Especially when what you have to say is pretty basic AV stuff.
 

Grim Sterling

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pretty kool. now expand the discussion by doing a part 2 article talking about the technology in regards to common refresh for standard, 3d and 4k tv's and monitors, the difference and limits of HDMI and other wires, and what sacrifices you have to make when going both high framerate and high rez gaming/video. :)

And then toss in pixel density too :)
 

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60 is fine. Only one time where having more frames per second was advantageous comes to mind. In Quake 3 Arena fps of 120 or 125 (can't remember which) made the player move a bit faster. I believe it was part of the bunny hopping technique. We would drop our graphics down low enough to get the fps up to the magic level and enjoy the boost.
 

Proverbial Jon

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I will state two things:

1) The Hobbit in 48 FPS looked amazing for about the first 20 minutes and then I stopped noticing the quality jump and watched it as any other movie.

2) When I started playing Skyrim on my PC at a 1080p resolution and at least 60 FPS I noticed an incredible difference in animation quality and overall appearance. I will never play it on a console again.
 

J Tyran

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Proverbial Jon said:
2) When I started playing Skyrim on my PC at a 1080p resolution and at least 60 FPS I noticed an incredible difference in animation quality and overall appearance. I will never play it on a console again.
Trouble is higher refresh rates than 60hz or so in Skyrim will make things explode, literally. It bugs out the physics for some reason and when you enter a new cell area like a building the physics go crazy and everything flies all over the place, if its a cluttered building like (the divines forbid, the mess, the horror of it!) your player house crammed with loot you get an apocalypse of flying cheese wheels, chunks of fish, plates, tankards and hundreds of other random pieces of clutter.
 

deathzero021

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You mean 6 facts I did know? Why is it that article titles have to insult their readers and make generalized assumptions about the reader? It's extremely annoying.

Anyway, it's always fun to see that 6 hard facts isn't enough to convince these pro-30-fps people that 60 fps is objectively superior.
 

Loop Stricken

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deathzero021 said:
You mean 6 facts I did know? Why is it that article titles have to insult their readers and make generalized assumptions about the reader? It's extremely annoying.
What this'n said. And thanks for making me go through three pages for six paragraphs.
 

-Dragmire-

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deathzero021 said:
You mean 6 facts I did know? Why is it that article titles have to insult their readers and make generalized assumptions about the reader? It's extremely annoying.
The use of the word 'you' in the title is used to address a large quantity of people as opposed to each individual person directly. While not 100%, I could see many people not knowing these frame rate facts. They could have adjusted the title with things like 'probably' and 'may not' but that could turn away some people who may learn something about it due to the assumption that they are outside of the 'probably don't know' category.

I concede that it may just purely be a click bait headline but I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt in this case.
 

Petromir

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One little technical point 72 is not the only constant frame rate used in cinema, higher numbers (always with 24 as a factor) have been known, 96 for example. (not terribly coincidental that 120Hz and 144Hz have appeared as monitor numbers as the former counts 24, 30 and 60 Hz among its factors while the latter 24 and 48). (The sweet spot for display refresh rate would likely have 24, 25, 48, 50 and 60 as factors as then all major display rates would effectively be covered, allowing, colour issues aside everything to be displayed at its intended display rate (only an issue pre HD, as HD and post colour codes are much more uniform).


(Experiments were done many years ago showing displaying less than 46 fps causes headaches and eyestrain (a likely driver in the way projection worked)) Interestingly the nocebo effect (like the placebo but bad) likely was the cause of many of the headaches that the Hobbit was claimed to have caused (Even in those being shown 24fps showings).


Motion blur is a big part of what makes the difference, without it the differences between 24 and 48 or 30 and 60 are a lot more slight. Some things like sports (TV or games) and action games the blur can cause issues, so the higher frame-rates are useful purely visually, in drama the extra sharpness can detract. (For media where parts would benefit from each there has been suggested the use of mixed frame rates, so action is shown in HFR and other parts at 24. a projector displaying at 96Hz or 144Hz should easily deal with this provided with a suitable file).
 

ryazoph

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Games with lots of motion are best at 60 fps, most other games are good enough at 30 fps.

I play world of tanks at 30 FPS, because the things that I focus on that are moving are too far away to notice a significable difference.