California Senator Defends Anti-Videogame Law

Logan Westbrook

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California Senator Defends Anti-Videogame Law

Reasons for banning the sale of violent games to minors are rational and compelling, says California's Leland Yee.

Leland Yee, Californian senator and author of the videogame regulation law currently being debated in the US Supreme Court, has defended his creation in an editorial in the San Diego Union-Tribune [http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/19/virtual-violence-parents-should-be-able-control-wh/], saying it puts the power of choosing appropriate games back into the hands of parents.

Yee - who is himself a child psychologist - said that there was significant evidence to suggest that violent videogames encouraged aggression and violence in children, both in immediately after playing them, and in the longer term. He said that over a hundred "researchers, scientists and scholars" from around the world had endorsed a statement which said that violent games led to desensitization to violence, as well as promoted anti-social behavior.

He said that there was a "direct, rational and compelling reason" to marginally restrict a minor's access to violent videogames. He made it clear, however, that parents would still have the final say on what media their children consumed, and would still be allowed to let their children play violent games, if they deemed them appropriate.

Yee noted that some of the comments from the Supreme Court Justices during the oral arguments in the Schwarzenegger vs. EMA case early last month were encouraging, such as Justice Stephen Breyer's remark that it made no sense to prevent minors from purchasing pictures of naked women, but to allow them to buy games which contain violent torture. It's worth mentioning though, that ECA lawyer Jennifer Mercurio interpreted [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_281/8356-Battlefield-Washington] the Supreme Court proceedings very differently, saying that California put forward a weak case, and the EMA's lawyer, Paul M. Smith, handled comments like Breyer's with confidence and aplomb.

What Yee's proposals don't take into account, however, is that retailers already do pretty good job of keeping violent videogames out of the hands of minors, with around 80% turned away at the counter [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103555-Retailers-Turn-Away-80-of-Kids-Trying-to-Buy-M-Rated-Games] - a much higher percentage than for other types of mature media.

What's more, the evidence that Yee mentions isn't rock solid. Certainly, some studies show a link between games and violence, but others show that games have very little effect on behavior, as with a recent study conducted in Texas [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106268-New-Study-Finds-No-Link-Between-Games-and-Violent-Behavior], or suggest that it's impossible to make definitive conclusions about their effects, as was the case with a recent review in Australia [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106268-New-Study-Finds-No-Link-Between-Games-and-Violent-Behavior].

If Yee really does want to better equip parents to make choices about media for their children, as he says he does, a better idea would seem to be a more robust and informative labeling system for games - which was actually part of the original law, but has since been removed - than banning their sale to minors. Hopefully he'll realize this - assuming his law is unsuccessful in the Supreme Court - and try working with the industry in the future, rather than against it.


Source: via Industry Gamers [http://www.industrygamers.com/news/senator-yee-defends-ca-game-law-in-op-ed/]







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runedeadthA

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Ah, See Yee has this Reason. This Really good apropriate Reason. I mean, with this reason everything about selling games to minors becomes Reasonable. Thats how Reasonable his Reasoning with this Reasoned Reason is.

Whats the reason?




Violent videogames DUH! wait what?
 

Harbinger_

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Did he get his credentials out of a crackerjack box? He should realize that just because the candy says you're a psychologist and a senator doesn't really mean you are.
 

DTWolfwood

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He made it clear, however, that parents would still have the final say on what media their children consumed, and would still be allowed to let their children play violent games, if they deemed them appropriate.
So y do i have to waste my tax dollars on enforcing a law that a parent can still circumvent? o_O
 

SomeLameStuff

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What, are they trying to replace Jack Thompson in America?

And "it puts the power of choosing appropriate games back into the hands of parents"? The parents ALWAYS had this power, they're just too LAZY or IGNORANT to use it.

If you let a rabid dog run free and it bites someone, YOU are the one to blame, not the dog.

[sub]Okay, that didn't really come out how I wanted it to come out, but SHUT UP![/sub]
 

Sonicron

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SomeLameStuff said:
What, are they trying to replace Jack Thompson in America?

And "it puts the power of choosing appropriate games back into the hands of parents"? The parents ALWAYS had this power, they're just too LAZY or IGNORANT to use it.

If you let a rabid dog run free and it bites someone, YOU are the one to blame, not the dog.

[sub]Okay, that didn't really come out how I wanted it to come out, but SHUT UP![/sub]
Nothing wrong with the statement from where I'm standing.
Signing away civil liberties and responsibilities to the government in order to "stay safe" seems to be all the rage in America these days; in the wake of crap like the Patriot Act, one more small stroke of the pen to enact a law such as this seems rather trivial, eh?
 

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SomeLameStuff said:
What, are they trying to replace Jack Thompson in America?

And "it puts the power of choosing appropriate games back into the hands of parents"? The parents ALWAYS had this power, they're just too LAZY or IGNORANT to use it.

If you let a rabid dog run free and it bites someone, YOU are the one to blame, not the dog.

[sub]Okay, that didn't really come out how I wanted it to come out, but SHUT UP![/sub]
I understand what your saying.

"Knowledge is power" so give more knowledge to the parents on what they are buying, but i agree most parents just dont give a bugger these days about what there kids do, most people DO still see gaming as a "kiddy thing" so if a kid is screaming for the new CoD game the parent will believe its still just a toy because its just a "kids thing". I personally believe that as the medium becomes more mainstream all this bullshit will just go out of existence.

DONT punish the industry.
 
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Logan Westbrook said:
saying it puts the power of choosing appropriate games back into the hands of parents.
Which it never left.
said that there was significant evidence
Which he never states.
to suggest
not prove
that violent videogames
and only violent ones
encouraged
not caused
aggression and violence in children,
Again, not defined
both in immediately after playing them, and in the longer term.
Because those two states are entirely different.
He said that over a hundred "researchers, scientists and scholars"
Who he doesn't name.
from around the world had endorsed a statement
Which he doesn't repeat.
which said that violent games led to desensitization to violence,
Which is not always a bad thing.
as well as promoted anti-social behavior.
Which is unprovable in studies due to extraneous factors.
He said that there was a "direct, rational and compelling reason"
Which he never states
to marginally
Which this bill crushes
not bans
a minor's
not all
access to violent videogames.
But not to other violent media or semi-violent/pornographic games
He made it clear, however,
God I hope so
that parents would still have the final say on what media their children consumed,
Consumed? As in eaten?
and would still be allowed to let their children play violent games, if they deemed them appropriate.
As they do now and crushing any reason for introducing this bill in the first place.

Sorry, putting the scissors and paste down now, but that had to be done.
 

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I'm in the UK, so the most surprising thing about this case to me is that there isn't already a law like this in the US.

Here in the UK games have ratings, just like movies, and a store that knowingly sold 18 cert games to children would be very open to prosecution. This has not led to waves of goverment suppression of video gaming or games not being released in the UK.

I get that in an abstract sense it's a big question of 1st amendment rights and all that... but on a practical level, so far as I can tell, people are up in arms about the right of Walmart to sell GTA to 10 year olds.

The law isn't the problem here. Iresponsible retailers, and parents who don't give a damn what their kids play as long as it shuts them up - that's the problem.
 

Aurgelmir

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I love how some of these people want to ban the sales of violent videogames, that may or may not make you aggressive, and still think its ok to sell handguns and other weapons over the counter to almost anyone...

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Well:

Children arn't ignorant, Parents are.

Its the parents job to ensure their children turn out okey, and the State should tell the parents what is okey and what is not.


Banning things you don't like, or don't understand is never a good solution imo, you never learn.
 

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SomeLameStuff said:
And "it puts the power of choosing appropriate games back into the hands of parents"? The parents ALWAYS had this power, they're just too LAZY or IGNORANT to use it.
I feel the same way. I think parents still have the choice and I would think that parents would be able to see the ESRB logo on the game before finally decided on whether or not to get the game. I kind of though the problem is that parents are maybe just too busy to really check the games out that their kids want or they might not care what game their children get. This doesn't apply to all parents but I get the feeling that at least a few might fall under this.

DTWolfwood said:
So y do i have to waste my tax dollars on enforcing a law that a parent can still circumvent? o_O
Good point. Parents still might get mature games for their children just because they want it and might not consider looking at the ESRB and see if it is right for the children. Which again makes me think that parents should be made more aware of certain systems that are already in place that can help them decide if the game is worth picking up for their children.

Off topic, that whole 80% of children who try to buy an M rated game sounds promising and actually makes me think that some system is already in place that does regulate games for children without parental input; so I kind of wonder why you are trying to stress "Parental Choice!" when there is already a solution in place. Not the world's greatest solution, mind you, but at least it is something that prevents the majority of minors from accessing mature rated video games, which I though was the whole point of all of this anyways.
 

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I love how his case has been disprooven a hundred times over before he even pleaded it. There has been countless studies done on people from all walks of life all around the world about agression and videogames and to say that a vast majority of them have disprooven any link between the two is an understatment.
 

Myke_storm

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how is trying to pass a law to prohibit the selling of age-rated material to people under that age an anti-video games law?
 

Michael826

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SomeLameStuff said:
What, are they trying to replace Jack Thompson in America?

And "it puts the power of choosing appropriate games back into the hands of parents"? The parents ALWAYS had this power, they're just too LAZY or IGNORANT to use it.

If you let a rabid dog run free and it bites someone, YOU are the one to blame, not the dog.

[sub]Okay, that didn't really come out how I wanted it to come out, but SHUT UP![/sub]
This is precisely my stance on the issue. If you, as a parent, are unable to make the decision for your kids, you are unfit to be a parent. Plain and simple. The only reason this is still being debated is because people don't like being told that their stupid, or wrong.
 

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Myke_storm said:
how is trying to pass a law to prohibit the selling of age-rated material to people under that age an anti-video games law?
Because it can be used to get video games reclassified as a controlled substance, rather than a form of art, which takes away freedom of speech from the realm of video games.
 

Myke_storm

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9_6 said:
Myke_storm said:
how is trying to pass a law to prohibit the selling of age-rated material to people under that age an anti-video games law?
Kindly take a look at germany or australia.
#

one is full of germans,the other has a ridiculous system that in effect bans games rather than allowing them to be sold to consenting adults

your point?
 

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Aurgelmir said:
don't kill people, people kill people.
Bullets kill people.

OT:


I suppose asking parents to...parent...their children is too much to ask. God forbid we EVER blame the parents.

Let's let the government be parents for them!

[sarcasm] Because that always works SO WELL. /sarcasm
 

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I'll still never understand why "anti-social" apparently means "in a gang". Surely that's the most social thing you could do?

But anti-societal, sure.